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« Reply #27180 on: August 07, 2017, 12:28:56 AM »
I go to an old calendar parish, but I like to double dip when I can for major feasts and visit new calendar churches. I happened to be traveling this weekend and there was a parish of the Bulgarian diocese of the OCA on my route so I stopped there for liturgy this am.  I thought I have a crack and getting some fruit blessed early, so I made a detour to pick up some apples. The didn't do the blessing of the firstfruits though, is that strange? I thought everybody in the Northern Hemisphere blessed fruits for Transfiguration.
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« Reply #27181 on: August 07, 2017, 11:11:26 AM »
I go to an old calendar parish, but I like to double dip when I can for major feasts and visit new calendar churches. I happened to be traveling this weekend and there was a parish of the Bulgarian diocese of the OCA on my route so I stopped there for liturgy this am.  I thought I have a crack and getting some fruit blessed early, so I made a detour to pick up some apples. The didn't do the blessing of the firstfruits though, is that strange? I thought everybody in the Northern Hemisphere blessed fruits for Transfiguration.

All the OCA parishes in this area blessed fruits yesterday, at least once (one parish did it twice). 

In the Oriental traditions which have this practice, fruits are blessed on Dormition, not on Transfiguration. 
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« Reply #27182 on: August 07, 2017, 04:44:37 PM »
I go to an old calendar parish, but I like to double dip when I can for major feasts and visit new calendar churches. I happened to be traveling this weekend and there was a parish of the Bulgarian diocese of the OCA on my route so I stopped there for liturgy this am.  I thought I have a crack and getting some fruit blessed early, so I made a detour to pick up some apples. The didn't do the blessing of the firstfruits though, is that strange? I thought everybody in the Northern Hemisphere blessed fruits for Transfiguration.


That's quite strange because blessing of the fruits (which kind - it depends on the climate) is prescribed in the festal menaion.

Yesterday it was first time for me since 2009 to celebrate the Transfiguration feast on the new calendar (even when my parish was on the calendar until 2014, I was celebrating this feast since my first foot pilgrimage to Grabarka on the old calendar because on the 19th August on the Holy Mount Grabarka there are the greatest Orthodox celebrations; only in 2009, when it was my 1st pilgrimage, I celebrate it twice). I was in the Greek Orthodox cathedral in Glasgow and there was blessing of the grapes (prepated by the parish ( and then everybody received some of them. In Poland it looks differently because it's the task of the faithful to prepare small baskets cointaining apples, grapes and sometimes other fruits (some people decorate the baskets similarly like on the Great Saturday). This year I'll eat the blessed fruits the second time since I'll attend tbe foot pilgrimage to the Grabarka monastery ;)

Anyway, I've seen the pics from Antiochian churches in Lebanin and Syria celebrating the Transfiguration this year and they had normally blessing of the grapes.



In the Oriental traditions which have this practice, fruits are blessed on Dormition, not on Transfiguration. 

Can be thr climate the reason?... Or it used to be (it is) the way tp be different fr the EOs?....
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« Reply #27183 on: August 07, 2017, 04:57:22 PM »
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« Reply #27184 on: August 07, 2017, 05:21:34 PM »
In the Oriental traditions which have this practice, fruits are blessed on Dormition, not on Transfiguration. 

Can be thr climate the reason?... Or it used to be (it is) the way tp be different fr the EOs?....

I'm not sure of the reason.  At least in our (Syriac) tradition, there are three "agricultural" feasts of the Virgin Mary: 15 January (on which we ask her intercession for the seeds), 15 May (on which we ask her intercession for the crops), and 15 August (Dormition, obviously, but also the day on which we ask her intercession for the vines).  Furthermore, many of our prayers and hymns refer to Mary as the vine who bore the cluster of life (an image which is both incarnational and eucharistic).  The blessing of grapes, then, is appropriate on 15 August. 

As to the reason for the tradition being different among EO, I'm not sure exactly.  I kept the feast at an EO church yesterday and I paid attention to the prayer of blessing for the fruits.  There's nothing in there that specifically refers to the Transfiguration, it's a rather generic prayer of blessing.  There's nothing wrong with that of course, although I was kind of annoyed I didn't get a few grapes.  :P 
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« Reply #27185 on: August 07, 2017, 09:24:25 PM »
In the Oriental traditions which have this practice, fruits are blessed on Dormition, not on Transfiguration. 

Can be thr climate the reason?... Or it used to be (it is) the way tp be different fr the EOs?....

I'm not sure of the reason.  At least in our (Syriac) tradition, there are three "agricultural" feasts of the Virgin Mary: 15 January (on which we ask her intercession for the seeds), 15 May (on which we ask her intercession for the crops), and 15 August (Dormition, obviously, but also the day on which we ask her intercession for the vines).  Furthermore, many of our prayers and hymns refer to Mary as the vine who bore the cluster of life (an image which is both incarnational and eucharistic).  The blessing of grapes, then, is appropriate on 15 August. 

As to the reason for the tradition being different among EO, I'm not sure exactly.  I kept the feast at an EO church yesterday and I paid attention to the prayer of blessing for the fruits.  There's nothing in there that specifically refers to the Transfiguration, it's a rather generic prayer of blessing.  There's nothing wrong with that of course, although I was kind of annoyed I didn't get a few grapes.  :P

The Indian folks who attend my Greek parish showed up with fruit on Transfiguration.

I guess they've just been around long enough to know that if you want the blessed fruit, that's when you get it done round here.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #27186 on: August 07, 2017, 09:27:19 PM »
In the Oriental traditions which have this practice, fruits are blessed on Dormition, not on Transfiguration. 

Can be thr climate the reason?... Or it used to be (it is) the way tp be different fr the EOs?....

I'm not sure of the reason.  At least in our (Syriac) tradition, there are three "agricultural" feasts of the Virgin Mary: 15 January (on which we ask her intercession for the seeds), 15 May (on which we ask her intercession for the crops), and 15 August (Dormition, obviously, but also the day on which we ask her intercession for the vines).  Furthermore, many of our prayers and hymns refer to Mary as the vine who bore the cluster of life (an image which is both incarnational and eucharistic).  The blessing of grapes, then, is appropriate on 15 August. 

As to the reason for the tradition being different among EO, I'm not sure exactly.  I kept the feast at an EO church yesterday and I paid attention to the prayer of blessing for the fruits.  There's nothing in there that specifically refers to the Transfiguration, it's a rather generic prayer of blessing.  There's nothing wrong with that of course, although I was kind of annoyed I didn't get a few grapes.  :P

The Indian folks who attend my Greek parish showed up with fruit on Transfiguration.

I guess they've just been around long enough to know that if you want the blessed fruit, that's when you get it done round here.

It's a nice custom that, in the Indian Church at least, has fallen into abeyance, so why quibble over eight days when it just means you can enjoy holy mangoes earlier. 
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« Reply #27187 on: August 07, 2017, 10:15:39 PM »
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« Reply #27188 on: August 07, 2017, 10:21:46 PM »
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« Reply #27189 on: August 07, 2017, 11:06:24 PM »
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« Reply #27190 on: August 08, 2017, 09:34:24 AM »
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« Reply #27191 on: August 08, 2017, 11:14:56 AM »
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It's not really you.  It's your evil doppleganger.  How's Annie?

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« Reply #27192 on: August 08, 2017, 11:32:45 AM »
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

It's not really you.  It's your evil doppleganger.  How's Annie?

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« Reply #27193 on: August 08, 2017, 12:33:35 PM »
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« Reply #27194 on: August 08, 2017, 01:32:32 PM »
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Nice! Where have you been?

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« Reply #27195 on: August 08, 2017, 01:35:00 PM »
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

It's not really you.  It's your evil doppleganger.  How's Annie?

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Me and you are gonna be friends. :)

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« Reply #27196 on: August 08, 2017, 02:16:47 PM »
I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.

It's not really you.  It's your evil doppleganger.  How's Annie?

The good Dale is in the Lodge, and he can't leave.

Me and you are gonna be friends. :)



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« Reply #27197 on: August 09, 2017, 09:36:53 PM »
You don't have to do anything.
Well I just got scolded by Father tonight for not wearing my baptismal cross and just my cheapo military Orthodox cross. He says he has to bless it but I thought you didn't need to since any cross is already in a way blessed.

Oh well. And Father gave me a hard time for not wearing my white baptismal outfit at Vespers either. I said but Father it ain't the 3rd century anymore.
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« Reply #27198 on: August 09, 2017, 10:12:04 PM »
You don't have to do anything.
Well I just got scolded by Father tonight for not wearing my baptismal cross and just my cheapo military Orthodox cross. He says he has to bless it but I thought you didn't need to since any cross is already in a way blessed.

Oh well. And Father gave me a hard time for not wearing my white baptismal outfit at Vespers either. I said but Father it ain't the 3rd century anymore.

Wow. How ungrateful of you. And what did you expect the assembled martyrs of the third century to think when they heard your dismissal?
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« Reply #27199 on: August 09, 2017, 10:27:15 PM »
Wow. How ungrateful of you. And what did you expect the assembled martyrs of the third century to think when they heard your dismissal?
Dismissal? Oh Lord, I was making a joke about how in the earlier centuries the newly baptized had to wear a white robe for 40 days. It was a playful conversation. It started by him teasing me about wearing street clothes tonight for Vespers, and I totally forgot about the whole 40 day white robe thing. Father and I crack jokes all the time. He's got a wicked sense of humor. I adore the man.

And ungrateful how? If you are talking about my cross well  I don't want to lose it because 1) I have a knack for losing jewelry 2) The chain isn't the best so it'll break sooner than later. My Orthodox military cross is cheap and works. I'm not spending hundreds of dollars for a better gold chain.
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« Reply #27200 on: August 09, 2017, 10:33:12 PM »
Wow. How ungrateful of you. And what did you expect the assembled martyrs of the third century to think when they heard your dismissal?
Dismissal? Oh Lord, I was making a joke about how in the earlier centuries the newly baptized had to wear a white robe for 40 days. It was a playful conversation. It started by him teasing me about wearing street clothes tonight for Vespers, and I totally forgot about the whole 40 day white robe thing. Father and I crack jokes all the time. He's got a wicked sense of humor. I adore the man.

And ungrateful how? If you are talking about my cross well  I don't want to lose it because 1) I have a knack for losing jewelry 2) The chain isn't the best so it'll break sooner than later. My Orthodox military cross is cheap and works. I'm not spending hundreds of dollars for a better gold chain.

Sure, change your story.
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« Reply #27201 on: August 09, 2017, 10:40:55 PM »
Yeah take a seat, Yosemite Sam.
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« Reply #27202 on: August 09, 2017, 10:58:49 PM »
Was he seriously expecting you to walk around in a white robe for 40 days?
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« Reply #27203 on: August 09, 2017, 11:17:13 PM »
Was he seriously expecting you to walk around in a white robe for 40 days?
Lol no. Talk to Cognomen, he had to do it. :laugh:

When I got baptized I used my godparent's robe then changed into a white hoodie and sweatpants before Chrismation. I jokingly asked him during coffee hour if I had to wear this outfit for 40 days, he said something about 7 days but obviously not practical. Again all in good humor.

Actually I wouldn't mind wearing sweats to services since it's very comfy. I already got an earful always wearing jeans, a t-shirt and sneakers. :laugh:
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« Reply #27204 on: August 09, 2017, 11:47:07 PM »
Who gave you an earful?
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« Reply #27205 on: August 09, 2017, 11:59:36 PM »
I had to stay for three days without washing, but it was very cold at this time, fortunately... three days unshowered under 40 Celsius would be serious ascetic stuff.
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« Reply #27206 on: August 10, 2017, 12:00:58 AM »
My baptismal sheet was accidentally washed by my mother.  :P
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« Reply #27207 on: August 10, 2017, 01:44:58 AM »
I might be moving to El Paso, TX.

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« Reply #27208 on: August 10, 2017, 01:50:25 AM »
I'm not spending hundreds of dollars for a better gold chain.

See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
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« Reply #27209 on: August 10, 2017, 10:56:42 AM »
I'm not spending hundreds of dollars for a better gold chain.

See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
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« Reply #27210 on: August 10, 2017, 11:37:05 AM »
One of these days I had the following conversation at the hospital front desk:

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Me: Why?
Receptionist: Just data collection.
Me: I'm an Orthodox Christian.
Receptionist: Well, I'll just write "other".
Me: Maybe you can write "Catholic"... (she writes it) But if I die there, you should call an Orthodox priest, not a Roman Catholic one.
Receptionist (making a surprised face and almost jumping from the chair): OK, ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN.
Me: Calm down, lady, I'm just kidding, it's just a cough.
Receptionist: I'm writing it, I'm writing it, I just didn't expect this today.

Maybe some jokes shouldn't be cracked on the hospital.
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« Reply #27211 on: August 10, 2017, 11:41:28 AM »
See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
Hey I stopped that a long time ago!
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« Reply #27212 on: August 10, 2017, 02:58:08 PM »
See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
Hey I stopped that a long time ago!

Pics or it didn't happen! Has to be a spoon baptismal robe+cross pic in front of the closet to be valid  :P
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« Reply #27213 on: August 10, 2017, 03:05:23 PM »
See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
Hey I stopped that a long time ago!

Pics or it didn't happen! Has to be a spoon baptismal robe+cross pic in front of the closet to be valid  :P
Can I wear a robe to liturgy?
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #27214 on: August 10, 2017, 03:08:06 PM »
Can I wear a robe to liturgy?
I know a guy who would wear a Chinese robe to Liturgy, we called him Shanghai. But it seems he freaked out and converted to Judaism.
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« Reply #27215 on: August 10, 2017, 03:08:44 PM »
Can I wear a robe to liturgy?
I know a guy who would wear a Chinese robe to Liturgy, we called him Shanghai. But it seems he freaked out and converted to Judaism.

Was he Chinese?
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« Reply #27216 on: August 10, 2017, 03:09:04 PM »
Rapha it was an inside baseball joke that I think only Asteriktos would get.  ;D

But a chinese robe? Pics please.
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« Reply #27217 on: August 10, 2017, 03:18:06 PM »
He wasn't Chinese, just eccentric, but I miss him, great guy.

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #27218 on: August 10, 2017, 04:33:50 PM »
See, if you stopped spending hundreds on Big Baller Brand shoes you'd have more money for things like that!
Hey I stopped that a long time ago!

Pics or it didn't happen! Has to be a spoon baptismal robe+cross pic in front of the closet to be valid  :P
Can I wear a robe to liturgy?
And now we come full circle.
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« Reply #27219 on: August 10, 2017, 06:18:00 PM »
He wasn't Chinese, just eccentric, but I miss him, great guy.



Jetavan?
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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

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« Reply #27220 on: August 10, 2017, 07:51:59 PM »
"The business of the Christian is nothing else than to be ever preparing for death (μελεπᾷν ἀποθνήσκειν)."

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« Reply #27221 on: August 10, 2017, 08:37:29 PM »
LOL, there's more to this comparison than you'd think
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« Reply #27222 on: August 11, 2017, 12:44:53 AM »
The kombucha mushroom people, sitting around all day. 
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« Reply #27223 on: August 11, 2017, 01:19:51 AM »
The kombucha mushroom people, sitting around all day.

Who can believe you?
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« Reply #27224 on: August 11, 2017, 12:58:51 PM »
The kombucha mushroom people, sitting around all day.

Who can believe you?
Let hecma's mother pray.
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