Topic: Random Postings

[Porter ODoran]

At one time the avg. age of regular posters here was probably in the early 20s... but it's probably in the early 30s nowadays.

Thanks! That's about what I thought, altho one or two are obviously quite young and one or two are obviously esteemed elders.

[TheTrisagion]

The only age I remember is that I'm the same age as Asteriktos.

[Agabus]

At one time the avg. age of regular posters here was probably in the early 20s... but it's probably in the early 30s nowadays.

Time being a passing thing.

[Mor Ephrem]

At one time the avg. age of regular posters here was probably in the early 20s... but it's probably in the early 30s nowadays.

Time being a passing thing.

Or that most of us who started here haven't left. 

[Asteriktos]

What now?

[TheTrisagion]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

[Mor Ephrem]

What now?

I started here as a regular poster in my early 20s, now I'm in my mid-30s. 

[Mor Ephrem]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

[TheTrisagion]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

[Mor Ephrem]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

Join our Church.

[Antonious Nikolas]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

[Agabus]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

Join our Church.

Our Theotokos carries knives like nobody's business. What does Indian Theotokos do?

[Iconodule]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

Join our Church.

Our Theotokos carries knives like nobody's business. What does Indian Theotokos do?

You really wanna go there?

[TheTrisagion]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

[Antonious Nikolas]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

[Porter ODoran]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Yeah, Tris, this is a let-down. I was envisioning tall wirey guys with daggers strapped to their waists circling and spitting in the narthex.

[Antonious Nikolas]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Yeah, Tris, this is a let-down. I was envisioning tall wirey guys with daggers strapped to their waists circling and spitting in the narthex.

I'll let this pass, since you don't have much experience with our Church and have never seen two Copts arguing vociferously about theology face-to-face.  Knives aren't usually involved, but things can get...animated.  We're not all cool-tempered, pacifistic Plain Folk, you know.

[minasoliman]

"Oh you don't advocate black priestly robe? Modernist heretic!"

"You contradict Pope Shenouda? Heretic!"

"Did you talk to your priest about this?  What would Bishop Karas say? Heretic!"

 

[Antonious Nikolas]

"Oh you don't advocate black priestly robe? Modernist heretic!"

"You contradict Pope Shenouda? Heretic!"

"Did you talk to your priest about this?  What would Bishop Karas say? Heretic!"

 

+1

One of the first Arabic phrases I picked up in the Coptic Church - in my first year, in fact - after watching one of these shouting matches, was "Ana arfan!" (sp.?)  In my naïveté I actually asked the bishop what it meant.  He laughed. 

[Porter ODoran]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Yeah, Tris, this is a let-down. I was envisioning tall wirey guys with daggers strapped to their waists circling and spitting in the narthex.

I'll let this pass, since you don't have much experience with our Church and have never seen two Copts arguing vociferously about theology face-to-face.  Knives aren't usually involved, but things can get...animated.  We're not all cool-tempered, pacifistic Plain Folk, you know.

Not a picture I'd have gotten of the Coptic Church myself. Just continuing the plays on this:

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Here in the heathen Northwest, by the way, we have Copts and Ethiopians at our Greek liturgies. Always love to see them, altho the Ethiopian men who come most often happen not to be the kind of attendee that chats with others. The women are chatty tho.

[minasoliman]

"Oh you don't advocate black priestly robe? Modernist heretic!"

"You contradict Pope Shenouda? Heretic!"

"Did you talk to your priest about this?  What would Bishop Karas say? Heretic!"

 

+1

One of the first Arabic phrases I picked up in the Coptic Church - in my first year, in fact - after watching one of these shouting matches, was "Ana arfan!" (sp.?)  In my naïveté I actually asked the bishop what it meant.  He laughed. 

Lol! The three phrases Egyptians say when something isn't going well:

Ana arfan
Ana zihi't
Ana ta'a'dt

(I'm disgusted; I'm tired; I've had it!)

[Antonious Nikolas]

Not a picture I'd have gotten of the Coptic Church myself.

Yeah, well...you probably wouldn't have pictured us with praise bands either. 

Here in the heathen Northwest

Never made any judgments about whether or not the Gospel had reached the pious and God-fearing Northwest or not.  Just whether or not Porter knew from Copts.

by the way, we have Copts and Ethiopians at our Greek liturgies.

I'm sure, being guests there, both populations are invariably polite.  We're all different when we're comfortable and among ourselves though, aren't we?

Always love to see them, altho the Ethiopian men who come most often happen not to be the kind of attendee that chats with others. The women are chatty tho.

Sounds about right to me.

[Antonious Nikolas]

"Oh you don't advocate black priestly robe? Modernist heretic!"

"You contradict Pope Shenouda? Heretic!"

"Did you talk to your priest about this?  What would Bishop Karas say? Heretic!"

 

+1

One of the first Arabic phrases I picked up in the Coptic Church - in my first year, in fact - after watching one of these shouting matches, was "Ana arfan!" (sp.?)  In my naïveté I actually asked the bishop what it meant.  He laughed. 

Lol! The three phrases Egyptians say when something isn't going well:

Ana arfan
Ana zihi't
Ana ta'a'dt

(I'm disgusted; I'm tired; I've had it!)

 

When I asked Sayedna what "ana arfan" meant, all the people around us gasped and looked at him like I'd said a swear word and they wanted to see his reaction.  One lady put her hand over her mouth.  I turned as red as a beet until he laughingly explained what it meant.

[Porter ODoran]

Not a picture I'd have gotten of the Coptic Church myself.

Yeah, well...you probably wouldn't have pictured us with praise bands either. 

Here in the heathen Northwest

Never made any judgments about whether or not the Gospel had reached the pious and God-fearing Northwest or not.  Just whether or not Porter knew from Copts.

by the way, we have Copts and Ethiopians at our Greek liturgies.

I'm sure, being guests there, both populations are invariably polite.  We're all different when we're comfortable and among ourselves though, aren't we?

Always love to see them, altho the Ethiopian men who come most often happen not to be the kind of attendee that chats with others. The women are chatty tho.

Sounds about right to me.

"The heathen Northwest" was just my own commentary. Having so much fewer Orthodox, or even Christians, here, jurisdictions tend to mix up and make do. We have Romanians, Russians, Syrians, and Ethiopians as regular attendees or members here. And an OCA deacon, when he shows up.

The political news tends to call the Northwest "irreligious" or "Nones."

[Antonious Nikolas]

Not a picture I'd have gotten of the Coptic Church myself.

Yeah, well...you probably wouldn't have pictured us with praise bands either. 

Here in the heathen Northwest

Never made any judgments about whether or not the Gospel had reached the pious and God-fearing Northwest or not.  Just whether or not Porter knew from Copts.

by the way, we have Copts and Ethiopians at our Greek liturgies.

I'm sure, being guests there, both populations are invariably polite.  We're all different when we're comfortable and among ourselves though, aren't we?

Always love to see them, altho the Ethiopian men who come most often happen not to be the kind of attendee that chats with others. The women are chatty tho.

Sounds about right to me.

"The heathen Northwest" was just my own commentary. Having so much fewer Orthodox, or even Christians, here, jurisdictions tend to mix up and make do. We have Romanians, Russians, Syrians, and Ethiopians as regular attendees or members here. And an OCA deacon, when he shows up.

Sounds wonderful!  I've always wanted to visit your region, and you've just given me another reason.

The political news tends to call the Northwest "irreligious" or "Nones."

Gotcha.

[DeniseDenise]

Visit Wa state....we have more Orthodox Churches then a lot of places.......

[DeniseDenise]

Today, someone died here at work, in a bathroom, an area over from mine (I work at a place where 45,000 other people also work)


All I can think of is 'Please God, do not let me die at work'

[Porter ODoran]

Today, someone died here at work, in a bathroom, an area over from mine (I work at a place where 45,000 other people also work)


All I can think of is 'Please God, do not let me die at work'

Awful. Lord, have mercy. Yes it makes you think doesn't it?

[Antonious Nikolas]

Visit Wa state....we have more Orthodox Churches then a lot of places.......

I'll put it on the list!

Today, someone died here at work, in a bathroom, an area over from mine (I work at a place where 45,000 other people also work)


All I can think of is 'Please God, do not let me die at work'

Lord, have mercy!

[TheTrisagion]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Sorry, my life really only exists online. It was on Facebook, in a page that was supposed to be for inquirers and people learning about the Coptic faith. Then someone brought up penal substitution and it erupted into craziness and the page got shut down while they wait for a bishop to give them direction on what to do next.

[Antonious Nikolas]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Sorry, my life really only exists online. It was on Facebook, in a page that was supposed to be for inquirers and people learning about the Coptic faith. Then someone brought up penal substitution and it erupted into craziness and the page got shut down while they wait for a bishop to give them direction on what to do next.

It's truly a shame how much heterodox teaching has crept into the Coptic Church on this and other issues due to Protestant missionary activity in Egypt in former centuries and modern Coptic bishops consuming trash like Spurgeon like it was St. John Chrysostom.  And then the same guys who accept that will attempt a critique of something like theosis.  Lord, have mercy.

[Asteriktos]

New Johnny Depp Expenses Disclosed by Ex-Managers in Amended Lawsuit

Specifically, reading the legal document at the bottom. Not sure why I like reading these as much as I do. Maybe because they're gossipy but I can pretend it's news instead. In the end though it's just Jerry Springer or Judge Judy except more organized and dressed up in slightly fancier language.

[Agabus]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Sorry, my life really only exists online. It was on Facebook, in a page that was supposed to be for inquirers and people learning about the Coptic faith. Then someone brought up penal substitution and it erupted into craziness and the page got shut down while they wait for a bishop to give them direction on what to do next.

It's truly a shame how much heterodox teaching has crept into the Coptic Church on this and other issues due to Protestant missionary activity in Egypt in former centuries and modern Coptic bishops consuming trash like Spurgeon like it was St. John Chrysostom.  And then the same guys who accept that will attempt a critique of something like theosis.  Lord, have mercy.

You had me at no shoes in church. (Even if it might make the building smell like feet )

You lost me at Spurgeon.

[Antonious Nikolas]

I inadvertently got in the middle of a couple Copts fighting about soteriology. Dang, I thought knives were gonna get drawn.

Join our Church.

And I thought convert EO were hardcore. They got nothing on the Copts. They were threatening to call their cousin the bishop and have each other named as heretics. My head was spinnin'

I hope you boldly took the side of the guy articulating an Orthodox model of soteriology and clotheslined the guy arguing for penal substitutionary atonement like King Harley Race.  After he went down, I hope the other guy's cousin the bishop dropped the People's Elbow on him.

I mostly just encouraged people to stop calling the moderators (who had not posted anything) heretics. I thought Fr. Peter made some good points in countering the error, but they were drowned out by lots of yelling. It's good, I suppose, that people are fierce defenders of their faith. Perhaps done a bit more constructively would have been better though. I don't really know any of the people there, so perhaps there is a history in not aware of.

Oh, so this was online somewhere.  I thought you meant at a church or something.  Where online did this take place?

Sorry, my life really only exists online. It was on Facebook, in a page that was supposed to be for inquirers and people learning about the Coptic faith. Then someone brought up penal substitution and it erupted into craziness and the page got shut down while they wait for a bishop to give them direction on what to do next.

It's truly a shame how much heterodox teaching has crept into the Coptic Church on this and other issues due to Protestant missionary activity in Egypt in former centuries and modern Coptic bishops consuming trash like Spurgeon like it was St. John Chrysostom.  And then the same guys who accept that will attempt a critique of something like theosis.  Lord, have mercy.

You had me at no shoes in church. (Even if it might make the building smell like feet )

You lost me at Spurgeon.

For that joke, I'm glad we lost you!  I guess there's a silver lining to Spurgeon after all! 

[minasoliman]

Pretty much what happened to the EOs about 1-2 centuries ago being in "western captivity" happened to us later, and we are just starting to have our own "neo-patristic" Renaissance.  In other words, de ja vu of the EOs as is occuring with Copts with the added layer of social media exacerbating the effect.

[Antonious Nikolas]

Pretty much what happened to the EOs about 1-2 centuries ago being in "western captivity" happened to us later, and we are just starting to have our own "neo-patristic" Renaissance.  In other words, de ja vu of the EOs as is occuring with Copts with the added layer of social media exacerbating the effect.

+1

[Porter ODoran]

I'm not good at a lot of things, but money is what I'm not good at the most.

[RobS]

I'm not good at a lot of things, but money is what I'm not good at the most.

Welcome to the club.

[Alpo]

Pretty much what happened to the EOs about 1-2 centuries ago being in "western captivity" happened to us later, and we are just starting to have our own "neo-patristic" Renaissance.  In other words, de ja vu of the EOs as is occuring with Copts with the added layer of social media exacerbating the effect.

Just don't go to the other extreme as we have done. Much of the so-called western captivity isn't actually that bad.

[Porter ODoran]

Just don't go to the other extreme as we have done.

What the world?

[Antonious Nikolas]

Just don't go to the other extreme as we have done.

What the world?

+1

Explain please.

[minasoliman]

Some things like deemphasizing the crucifixion and getting rid of all juridical language is probably what he's alluding to.  I tend to agree, and I take a nuanced approach to the subject of soteriology, but I do emphasize theosis as foundational to soteriology.

Dr. George Bebawy, and I love him, does tend to take that very extreme approach though.

[Alpo]

Some things like deemphasizing the crucifixion and getting rid of all juridical language is probably what he's alluding to. 

Pretty much this. Doing away with Original Sin, bashing Augustine, neglecting systematic theology etc.

[Antonious Nikolas]

Some things like deemphasizing the crucifixion and getting rid of all juridical language is probably what he's alluding to. 

Pretty much this. Doing away with Original Sin, bashing Augustine, neglecting systematic theology etc.

There are elements of St. Augustine that are problematic.  This can be recognized without bashing him.  And the Western concept of "original sin" (as opposed to ancestral sin) is not something I subscribe to, nor something I would teach my youth.  I don't want them to think we inherit Adam's sin as opposed to its consequences (death, etc.).  I also think the crucifixion should only be contemplated in relation to the ultimate triumph and Resurrection of Christ.  I see your and Mina's point though.

[Mor Ephrem]

Pretty much what happened to the EOs about 1-2 centuries ago being in "western captivity" happened to us later, and we are just starting to have our own "neo-patristic" Renaissance.  In other words, de ja vu of the EOs as is occuring with Copts with the added layer of social media exacerbating the effect.

Just don't go to the other extreme as we have done. Much of the so-called western captivity isn't actually that bad.

I would strongly recommend Chalcedonianism and the Religion of the Future by Fr Mina El Solimani.