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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26595 on: May 03, 2017, 08:56:51 AM »
Happy international workers' day '

Happy afterfeast! Probably national hangover day around here. We have our retro Socialist marches too but mostly it's kind of spring holiday.  Those graduated from upper secondary school wear a specific kind of hat. Older ones might go for a picnic. Younger ones get roaring drunk.

In Poland 3 days of May are free (today is the feast of the consitution; the 2nd May is the day of national flag - this one actually is not a publci holiday, but all the schools and universities and many work places have the day off too), so we call it "majówka". We are a happe nation.



Today I had an appointment with my priest (that's now also the parish dean). Two funny things took place. The first one: he hadn't been aware of the fact that our psalmist celebrates today his birthday, so firstly we had to sit on his birthday party (wine, 3 types of cakes) in a  big room in the parish house and after it we had the talk in the dean office. The second funny thing, after the talk with my priest, he took 3 elegants cups and plates while we were leaving the office; the "construction" wasn't looking safely, but the father said "no problem". Of course, the cups and plates started to fall down, I threw down to my priest feet to rescue them, and exactly in this moment the guests from the birthday party started going out the big room and the kitchen, that's in the front of the dean office.
In the end only the one handle of the cups broke, and nobody suffered, one of the matushkas said only "Why did you both have to break the most beautiful of these 3 cups?".
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« Reply #26596 on: May 03, 2017, 09:48:14 AM »
Yeah, I think it's everywhere.

A funny thing I found out in Malaysia last year was that my cousins' children are expected to refer to me as "uncle" and give me the appropriate deference, even when they are older than I.
Really?!? That's gotta be a tad awkward...

It gets awkward when people start bowing to me.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26597 on: May 03, 2017, 11:00:24 AM »
Yeah, I think it's everywhere.

A funny thing I found out in Malaysia last year was that my cousins' children are expected to refer to me as "uncle" and give me the appropriate deference, even when they are older than I.
Really?!? That's gotta be a tad awkward...

It gets awkward when people start bowing to me.

It was awkward for me at first, too, but eventually I learned to relish it. 
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« Reply #26598 on: May 03, 2017, 06:38:25 PM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D
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« Reply #26599 on: May 03, 2017, 06:55:24 PM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D

Truth be told, I've always kept an extra eye on you. I knew sooner or later this 'level-headed fella' facade you put on would fall away, and we'd see the real you, the pan-heretical you. I'm only surprised that it took a mere half dozen years for you to slip up!
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« Reply #26600 on: May 03, 2017, 07:15:08 PM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26601 on: May 03, 2017, 09:28:57 PM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D
Shouldn't it depend how you express it, what statements you make, etc.?
After all, Dcn Kuraev like other mainstream EOs write that there is an opportunity for reconciliation through dialogues, but his writings can't be considered promoting heresy, and he has made some criticisms of certain expressions in the joint statements.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26602 on: May 03, 2017, 10:44:23 PM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D
Shouldn't it depend how you express it, what statements you make, etc.?
After all, Dcn Kuraev like other mainstream EOs write that there is an opportunity for reconciliation through dialogues, but his writings can't be considered promoting heresy, and he has made some criticisms of certain expressions in the joint statements.
It just happens the bulk of the group is hawkish. Some of them are crazy, some of them aren't really canonical, but mostly they're just hawkish.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26603 on: May 04, 2017, 12:45:30 AM »
Well, I'm probably gonna get expelled from the Traditional Orthodoxy (Canonical) Facebook group. Apparently my statements in favor of healing the schism between EO and OO was considered "promoting heresy".  ;D
Shouldn't it depend how you express it, what statements you make, etc.?
After all, Dcn Kuraev like other mainstream EOs write that there is an opportunity for reconciliation through dialogues, but his writings can't be considered promoting heresy, and he has made some criticisms of certain expressions in the joint statements.
Here is the exchange I got in trouble for:

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Me: The OO believed (wrongly) that Chalcedon was trying to advocate for Nestorianism. The EO believed (wrongly) that the OO were advocating Eutychianism. Neither is the case and if you speak to both sides instead of hurling polemics, you will find that both sides are very close to one another.

Other person: If they desire to be within the communion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the proclamations of the 7 Ecumenical Synods (Council) are minimum requirements for confession of the Orthodox faith.

Me: I don't think they desire to be "within" EO any more than we desire to be "within" OO. The question is, can we heal the schism? That could be done by them assenting to the councils without them labeling them as ecumenical. We have our own debates about how many councils are ecumenical, so it isn't like it would be without precedent. Those who claim 9 ecumenical councils don't hold those who claim 7 ecumenical councils as heretics.

I also got in trouble for suggesting that we shouldn't be discussing the personal life of someone who is not a member of the group. Meh, weird group there...

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26604 on: May 04, 2017, 02:33:30 AM »
Me: The OO believed (wrongly) that Chalcedon was trying to advocate for Nestorianism. The EO believed (wrongly) that the OO were advocating Eutychianism. Neither is the case and if you speak to both sides instead of hurling polemics, you will find that both sides are very close to one another.
What you said was reasonable, but the underlined part is the kind of thing that people will weigh differently. One person can claim that if someone rejects a Council's basic statement and its related corollaries as heresy, then the two groups are not close, because of the centrality of Conciliar theology.
Meanwhile, someone else can say that they are close because of the joint statement affirming that "Chalcedon cannot be understood as anything else than affirming" the three previous Ecumenical Councils.
I guess it helps to be more specific - they are overlapping and close in major ways.

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Other person: If they desire to be within the communion of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, the proclamations of the 7 Ecumenical Synods (Council) are minimum requirements for confession of the Orthodox faith.

Me: I don't think they desire to be "within" EO any more than we desire to be "within" OO. The question is, can we heal the schism? That could be done by them assenting to the councils without them labeling them as ecumenical. We have our own debates about how many councils are ecumenical, so it isn't like it would be without precedent. Those who claim 9 ecumenical councils don't hold those who claim 7 ecumenical councils as heretics.
What you said I think is reasonable (and in my guess fine), but I suppose that if someone wants to be super-conservative, they might not like it, asking what is the point of them affirming such a fundamental council as Chalcedon without admitting that it is ecumenical?

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26605 on: May 09, 2017, 11:59:14 PM »
Saw on my friend's FB page today:
Friend: "I am so proud of my school district, they honored Christ today at their spring concert!"
Other person: "Really? What did they perform?"
Friend: "America the Beautiful"

 ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #26606 on: May 10, 2017, 12:02:14 AM »
Saw on my friend's FB page today:
Friend: "I am so proud of my school district, they honored Christ today at their spring concert!"
Other person: "Really? What did they perform?"
Friend: "America the Beautiful"

 ;D ;D ;D

LOL!!!

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« Reply #26607 on: May 10, 2017, 03:36:46 PM »
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« Reply #26608 on: May 10, 2017, 03:43:45 PM »
#memories
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« Reply #26609 on: May 11, 2017, 07:04:53 PM »
I've got a question about people who are both deaf and blind. Supposing they never learn a language for communication (even sign language), in what way do they communicate in dreams, when thinking over things in their mind, etc.? Is it all through memories and creatively re-purposing past tactile experiences?
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26610 on: May 11, 2017, 08:00:33 PM »
I've got a question about people who are both deaf and blind. Supposing they never learn a language for communication (even sign language), in what way do they communicate in dreams, when thinking over things in their mind, etc.? Is it all through memories and creatively re-purposing past tactile experiences?
This question really deserves a good answer. I guess they might think using purely intuitive logics, coding their experiences into their own "language" (in the wider sense), but it's hard to say. Helen Keller learned English perfectly just by associating her sensorial experiences with Braille, so this may say a bit about how linguistic knowledge may be grasped without vision or hearing. But it's just a guess.
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« Reply #26611 on: May 12, 2017, 06:34:13 PM »
#memories

+1   It was also good to have something light-hearted and wholesome to counter the Ren & Stimpy and Beavis & Buttheads of the world.  8)

I've got a question about people who are both deaf and blind. Supposing they never learn a language for communication (even sign language), in what way do they communicate in dreams, when thinking over things in their mind, etc.? Is it all through memories and creatively re-purposing past tactile experiences?
This question really deserves a good answer. I guess they might think using purely intuitive logics, coding their experiences into their own "language" (in the wider sense), but it's hard to say. Helen Keller learned English perfectly just by associating her sensorial experiences with Braille, so this may say a bit about how linguistic knowledge may be grasped without vision or hearing. But it's just a guess.

An interesting one though, and I hadn't even thought of that way...
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« Reply #26612 on: May 12, 2017, 06:41:22 PM »
#memories

+1   It was also good to have something light-hearted and wholesome to counter the Ren & Stimpy and Beavis & Buttheads of the world.  8)

No kidding!  I felt depressed watching those other two!
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« Reply #26613 on: May 12, 2017, 07:02:30 PM »
Saw on my friend's FB page today:
Friend: "I am so proud of my school district, they honored Christ today at their spring concert!"
Other person: "Really? What did they perform?"
Friend: "America the Beautiful"

 ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #26614 on: May 13, 2017, 06:26:25 PM »
Some quotes from a Catholic discussion board where Protestants apparently like posting attacks.

"It was the Father that used Mary to carry Jesus Christ, so we pray to the Father."

"GOD means good and if you are praying to anyone else you are praying to bad."

"Jesus cant stand it when they talk about Mary in his church."

"It is quite different than you asking me to pray for you because I am alive and I can go right to God with your petition. Mary is dead and she therefore cannot pray for us."
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« Reply #26615 on: May 13, 2017, 06:40:43 PM »
"It is quite different than you asking me to pray for you because I am alive and I can go right to God with your petition. Mary is dead and she therefore cannot pray for us."
A step in the ongoing Long March of Reformed Protestantism into naturalistic materialistic Skepticism.
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« Reply #26616 on: May 13, 2017, 07:11:19 PM »
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A step in the ongoing Long March of Reformed Protestantism into naturalistic materialistic Skepticism.

Also unbiblical...
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« Reply #26617 on: May 13, 2017, 07:18:49 PM »
"God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" (our Lord, explaining to the Judeans how "the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" necessitates that those Saints live).
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« Reply #26618 on: May 14, 2017, 01:01:30 AM »
"Jesus cant stand it when they talk about Mary in his church."

But He's completely fine when they talk about themselves (aka "testimony").  ::)
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« Reply #26619 on: May 14, 2017, 01:35:45 PM »
I don't think I ever saw an explanation as to why the chat was shut down.

Stumbled across this today; this obviously wasn't the original original chat (c. 2002), but it was the last official oc.net chat I think...

The chat function was causing a host of problems "under the hood" so to speak, so it's gone.

When the long-awaited upgrade to the forum software is released, I will see about restoring it.

Sorry for the inconvenience everyone!
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« Reply #26620 on: May 14, 2017, 02:34:06 PM »
Who is this person I'm supposed to meet? ...
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« Reply #26621 on: May 15, 2017, 02:28:09 PM »
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« Reply #26622 on: May 15, 2017, 03:01:16 PM »
Pennsylvania (image is an accurate symbol of PA government in general)

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« Reply #26623 on: May 15, 2017, 03:10:27 PM »
There was one PA true account where in the 19th or early 20th c. a man and woman were riding a carriage and where they were going caved in because of the coal mines and they fell in and died. Another time, miners were digging under a river and it ended tragically.
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« Reply #26624 on: May 15, 2017, 04:14:49 PM »
Ugh. I can believe it. In the small town I grew up in there was an explosion in the coal mine in 1940 that killed 63 and trapped another 90.
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« Reply #26625 on: May 15, 2017, 04:22:57 PM »
Most traumatic for me are the mass executions of the Mollies.
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« Reply #26626 on: May 15, 2017, 08:54:19 PM »

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North Carolina  ::)
Maybe that's part of why Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa moved to Russia, converted to Orthodoxy, and called North Carolina "hell"  :-[ http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/89757.htm
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« Reply #26627 on: May 15, 2017, 09:02:03 PM »
Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa moved to Russia, converted to Orthodoxy, and called North Carolina "hell"  :-[ http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/89757.htm

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I grew up in Louisiana, in North Carolina, and in Texas, which are the worst parts of America. I can say that I grew up in hell with full responsibility and seriousness. Therefore if I speak about a path and hell, it is not theoretical for me, but it was my life in America – it was my experience. I was saved by a reed which was my mother’s personality. She always encouraged me to be proud of being Japanese, to never give up, and to always be a winner. It was too much for a six-year-old
The situation of being Japanese in the 1950's in TX and Louisiana?
Or are those places inherently hellish?

Being a slave there 100 years before seems worse. But then, maybe hell has layers.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26628 on: May 15, 2017, 09:27:54 PM »
Any time you don't like a story, you just call it "fake news" and it doesn't count. Do I have this correct?
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26629 on: May 15, 2017, 09:42:46 PM »
Any time you don't like a story, you just call it "fake news" and it doesn't count. Do I have this correct?
Do you mean me, Asteriktos?
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26630 on: May 15, 2017, 09:48:15 PM »
Any time you don't like a story, you just call it "fake news" and it doesn't count. Do I have this correct?
Do you mean me, Asteriktos?

Not everything that begins with "ra" means "rakovsky."
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26631 on: May 15, 2017, 09:48:58 PM »
Any time you don't like a story, you just call it "fake news" and it doesn't count. Do I have this correct?
Do you mean me, Asteriktos?

Hmm? No, I was thinking of people on Twitter, Facebook, etc. who dismiss anything negative about politicians or geek celebrities they like as "fake news" or "fake drama." Tbh I've not seen that term used much around here, but then I don't have access to the private forums either.

EDIT--Sorry, I see where the confusion is from, with my saying it right after you had posted, without any context. I just meant it as a "random posting."
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26632 on: May 15, 2017, 09:49:54 PM »
Asteriktos, which Dostoevsky character said you quote?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26633 on: May 15, 2017, 09:52:41 PM »
Asteriktos, which Dostoevsky character said you quote?

It's apparently from one of his "Notebooks," said about himself;  wiki gives a couple references/variations.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26634 on: May 15, 2017, 09:59:16 PM »
There is a thread about it:
Debunk hoaxes, urban legends and fake news here
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,66823.msg1349696.html#msg1349696

I think what the terms is being used for is news reports that the person speaking wants to claim is made up or otherwise spurious. I think that it actually has a political origin as to how it became common, but the people using the people using the term wouldn't want to admit that. So for example if the NY Times editors wanted to dismiss reports about another country's practices, they could punish articles calling the reports "fake news."
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26635 on: May 15, 2017, 10:02:32 PM »
Thank you.

A couple of Existentialist tertiary sources -- not a group with a track record for scruples of conscience or accuracy. That said, Dostoevsky wasn't a saint and I should admit probably he did muse something of the kind.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26636 on: May 15, 2017, 10:08:13 PM »
There is a thread about it:
Debunk hoaxes, urban legends and fake news here
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,66823.msg1349696.html#msg1349696

I think what the terms is being used for is news reports that the person speaking wants to claim is made up or otherwise spurious. I think that it actually has a political origin as to how it became common, but the people using the people using the term wouldn't want to admit that. So for example if the NY Times editors wanted to dismiss reports about another country's practices, they could punish articles calling the reports "fake news."

Thanks for the link, I hadn't even remembered that one. I don't think I took notice of it until recently when it was popularized as a buzzword after the U.S. election.
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« Reply #26637 on: May 15, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
Thank you.

A couple of Existentialist tertiary sources -- not a group with a track record for scruples of conscience or accuracy. That said, Dostoevsky wasn't a saint and I should admit probably he did muse something of the kind.

I don't know about Dostoevsky, but I don't take it as deprecating those with a child-like or simple faith. I think of it more in the context of a challenge by atheists or the intelligentsia, sort of a taunt: "Come on, only old ladies and idiots believe this religion stuff!" The quote would be more of a rebuttal to that: I've studied this stuff and struggled with it, and yet through that process I didn't lose faith but actually increased in it.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #26638 on: May 16, 2017, 12:27:28 AM »
Thanks for the link, I hadn't even remembered that one. I don't think I took notice of it until recently when it was popularized as a buzzword after the U.S. election.
My understanding is that it arose because of some information from Wikileaks and Clinton's emails. The Mass Media called reports drawing sensational conclusions from this information "Fake News". Promoters of the conclusions disagreed with this characterization and would agree that it was the Mass Media that was peddling "Fake News" by covering up the sensational stories.
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