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« Reply #2115 on: May 21, 2007, 06:49:30 PM »

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« Reply #2116 on: May 22, 2007, 10:18:37 AM »

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« Reply #2117 on: May 22, 2007, 10:19:32 AM »

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And congratulations on making 1000 posts.... Wink

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« Reply #2118 on: May 23, 2007, 05:22:15 PM »

So did anyone find the NBA Draft hilarious?  How about those Celtics being 5th?  Craziness. 
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« Reply #2119 on: May 25, 2007, 02:36:09 PM »

If anyone on this board is a Raiders' Fan (I really hope not), this is for you.  But this speaks volumes about whom the Raiders have in their fan club! Wink

Death Row killer's last words: Go Raiders
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FLORENCE, Ariz. -- Robert Comer died Tuesday with a steady gaze and a defiant smile on his face, the first person to be executed in Arizona since November 2000.

He was strapped to a gurney and covered up to his neck with a sheet.

There was no sight of the catheter into his groin that made the lethal injection possible, no sight of the executioners on the other side of a wall.

But Comer was smiling; he had petitioned the federal courts to stop his appeals and hasten his own execution. He was in control of his destiny.

Comer brought a picture of his daughter with him to the death chamber and used his last words to say, "Go, Raiders."
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« Reply #2120 on: May 25, 2007, 03:23:28 PM »

Arghh...the Celtics are cursed, teads or hails...

At least we have the Bosox & Pats...

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« Reply #2121 on: May 29, 2007, 06:50:15 PM »

dude...what is up with the Yankees??  craziness...
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« Reply #2122 on: May 29, 2007, 07:11:50 PM »

dude...what is up with the Yankees??  craziness...

The Yankees are tied for last place in the East!  That's not up, that's down! Cheesy  Proof, as if you needed it, that God does exist.  Now, if he can just get the Royals up out of the sewer! Cry
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« Reply #2123 on: May 29, 2007, 08:26:05 PM »

The Yankees are tied for last place in the East!  That's not up, that's down! Cheesy  Proof, as if you needed it, that God does exist.  Now, if he can just get the Royals up out of the sewer! Cry

No offense friend but it doesn't look good for KC.  Although the White Sox arn't doing that much better...so i shouldn't talk. 
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« Reply #2124 on: May 31, 2007, 01:42:44 AM »

If anyone needed any proof that God granted mankind Free Will, look no farther than baseball. It is a greater waste of time than......than....watching poker.....or golf......or Antiques Roadshow.

Anyhow....I had a random thought.....wait! Don't run for the door! Obviously topics of discussion have polarized around the MP, ROCOR, and the OCA.

Now, the recent upsurge in Ukraine-related posts and the various Orthodox/Eastern Catholic groups in that glorious nation (Euro 2012 hosts, anyone??) has got me thinking.....a dangerous state.

I would love to see a "State of the Church" section. Countries that have an Orthodox presence but no jurisdiction here in North America (i.e. Czech Republic) rarely get mentioned. So what is going on in the old country. Who are the schismatic groups?? Who are the vagante bishops?? Where is unity be attempted?? Let's take all of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, Nestorian......essentially any group that may be considered or misconstrued as Orthodox. Let's toss aside the theological issues (unless the members disagree) and look at the meat of the Church.

While we are at it, anyone have any ideas on bringing converts in from the Eastern Catholics on a large type scale. The UOCC is falling behind to our Eastern Catholic......lost cousins.

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« Reply #2125 on: May 31, 2007, 01:48:35 AM »

So did anyone find the NBA Draft hilarious?  How about those Celtics being 5th?  Craziness.
 
HEY!  Shocked  We NBA fans in the Pacific Northwest are ecstatic about the results of the draft lottery.  Grin  Oden to Portland and Durant to Seattle, I'd almost be willing to bet.  Wouldn't that just spark the dormant rivalry between the Blazers and Sonics!  Cool  Rip City, here we come!!!
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« Reply #2126 on: May 31, 2007, 02:23:28 AM »

I would love to see a "State of the Church" section. Countries that have an Orthodox presence but no jurisdiction here in North America (i.e. Czech Republic) rarely get mentioned. So what is going on in the old country. Who are the schismatic groups?? Who are the vagante bishops?? Where is unity be attempted?? Let's take all of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, Nestorian......essentially any group that may be considered or misconstrued as Orthodox. Let's toss aside the theological issues (unless the members disagree) and look at the meat of the Church.
That would be an interesting section, especially with Orthodoxy poking through in predominantly Roman Catholic nations in Europe.


Baseball and basketball news, bleh.  Serie A starting back up in August cannot happen soon enough.   Tongue  Wink

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« Reply #2127 on: May 31, 2007, 08:32:07 PM »

I have been told by more than a few greek orthodox that beer is considered food, not "wine" and is therefore lenten.  This makes sense to me.
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« Reply #2128 on: June 01, 2007, 12:00:58 AM »

If anyone needed any proof that God granted mankind Free Will, look no farther than baseball. It is a greater waste of time than......than....watching poker.....or golf......or Antiques Roadshow.

You, sir, have crossed the line.  No one disrespects Antiques Roadshow by comparing it to baseball. Wink  At least you didn't mention hockey!
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« Reply #2129 on: June 06, 2007, 10:19:45 PM »

Three Serbs left in the French Open. Novak Djokovic, Jelena Jankovic, and Ana Ivanovic each made the semifinals.
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« Reply #2130 on: June 06, 2007, 10:49:36 PM »

What if they all win! 

Wouldn't that be the first time for all Serbian finals?  Or even semi-finals? 

I forgot to look at the brackets before posting... Grin   Too lazy to look now. 

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« Reply #2131 on: June 06, 2007, 10:58:12 PM »

What if they all win! 

Wouldn't that be the first time for all Serbian finals?  Or even semi-finals? 

I forgot to look at the brackets before posting... Grin   Too lazy to look now. 

I'm gona for the summer gents.  Take it easy.  See you in August. 

It could be an all Serbian final on the women's side, but unlikely. Both are underdogs tomorrow, as is Djokovic on the men's side. Still, great results.
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« Reply #2132 on: June 18, 2007, 07:33:21 PM »

Just found a new smiley, and I love it! :

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« Reply #2134 on: June 20, 2007, 05:29:11 PM »

Just found a new smiley, and I love it! :



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I like it.  It looks like they're singing together.  Smiley

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« Reply #2136 on: June 21, 2007, 11:47:53 AM »

What I like is that the one who falls down still manages to take another drink while on their back on the floor!
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« Reply #2137 on: June 21, 2007, 11:52:32 AM »

What I like is that the one who falls down still manages to take another drink while on their back on the floor!

I noticed that, yes.  Cheesy  It's thirsty work.

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« Reply #2138 on: June 21, 2007, 12:13:29 PM »

Serbia & the Netherlands are playing in the UEFA Under 21 Championship in Groningen on Saturday.   Smiley
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« Reply #2139 on: July 01, 2007, 08:51:44 PM »

We Pittsburgh Penguin fans were so happy a few months back. We were assured that we'd be getting an arena, which would keep the Pens in Pittsburgh. Alas, leave it to the Pennsylvania politicans to possibly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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« Reply #2140 on: July 02, 2007, 12:57:45 AM »

Hah! Fast Eddie Rendell's "everything in his power" means 'I'll get my increased taxes out of this legislature yet. Just a little more leverage and I've got it!'

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« Reply #2141 on: July 08, 2007, 04:03:58 AM »

Eesh, what a mess POTC3 is. How can they have so much money and talent, not to mention one of the most romanticized and interesting topics out there, and yet make a movie so boring? Where did that (reported) 225 million dollar budget go to?
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« Reply #2142 on: July 16, 2007, 11:10:42 AM »

Eesh, what a mess POTC3 is. How can they have so much money and talent, not to mention one of the most romanticized and interesting topics out there, and yet make a movie so boring? Where did that (reported) 225 million dollar budget go to?

I didn't find the movie that boring or uninteresting, but it still didn't live up to my pre-movie hype.  Thoroughly enjoyed many of the scenes, and some of the action sequences.

I was wondering after the movie, though - it seemed like they tried to cram too much into the story, and thus missed out on a lot of development (both of scenes and characters) - would it have been better if (in order to cover the amount of storyline they wanted to) it was covered in more detail and development over 2 movies?  I know that "trilogy" is the magic sequence in movies nowadays (which I don't think is always a good idea), but ISTM that this may have required a 4th in order to not shortchange the story.

{Of course, by this line of thinking LOTR should have had 9 movies or so (each 3 hours+) instead of their 3.}
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Well, it's possible that I was a bit tired by the time we got to the late showing. Perhaps part of the problem was fatigue, and another part of the problem was trying to follow everything and piece it together. I didn't think it was crap, and I'll buy the DVD set after it comes out and the price drops.

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Yeah, I'd definitely agree with you on that one. While they wanted to resolve certain things from the last movie, I think that one of the problems was that they just had too many cooks in the kitchen. I realise that screenplays often go through lots of writers, getting passed on if/when the studio is unhappy with how things are going, but in the end 5 people got credit for the screenplay. I think that ended up being too many, and like you said, they wanted to cram everything into this as the last movie in a trilogy, so they couldn't drop ideas knowing that they'd be able to insert them into the next movie.

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If only it were so! I'd love to have seen additional parts of the story, like the parts with Tom Bombadil (though I wonder if they could pull off that type of thing without making it campy).
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« Reply #2144 on: July 16, 2007, 12:44:07 PM »

Well, it's possible that I was a bit tired by the time we got to the late showing. Perhaps part of the problem was fatigue, and another part of the problem was trying to follow everything and piece it together. I didn't think it was crap, and I'll buy the DVD set after it comes out and the price drops. 

Oh, I've had that happen before - I've seen movies when tired/fatigued, thought they were mediocre, and then seen them a year or two later on TV or something and thought they were great!

Yeah, I'd definitely agree with you on that one. While they wanted to resolve certain things from the last movie, I think that one of the problems was that they just had too many cooks in the kitchen. I realise that screenplays often go through lots of writers, getting passed on if/when the studio is unhappy with how things are going, but in the end 5 people got credit for the screenplay. I think that ended up being too many, and like you said, they wanted to cram everything into this as the last movie in a trilogy, so they couldn't drop ideas knowing that they'd be able to insert them into the next movie. 

I didn't know they had that many!  That explains it, then.

If only it were so! I'd love to have seen additional parts of the story, like the parts with Tom Bombadil (though I wonder if they could pull off that type of thing without making it campy). 

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« Reply #2145 on: July 16, 2007, 12:51:39 PM »

If only it were so! I'd love to have seen additional parts of the story, like the parts with Tom Bombadil (though I wonder if they could pull off that type of thing without making it campy).

I wholeheartedly agree! I would especially have loved to have seen the Shirriffs. I think that scene adds a lot to the character of Saruman, and it's wonderful that Tolkien didn't have a "happy-ever-after" ending but instead showed that, just as in the real world, things don't turn out easy just because you do what's right.
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« Reply #2146 on: July 16, 2007, 04:36:25 PM »

I wholeheartedly agree! I would especially have loved to have seen the Shirriffs. I think that scene adds a lot to the character of Saruman, and it's wonderful that Tolkien didn't have a "happy-ever-after" ending but instead showed that, just as in the real world, things don't turn out easy just because you do what's right. 

In the end, is it better to make the movies longer, even if it means stretching talent too thin (i.e. making it too campy, or not having the right talent to play some of the extra characters), or to leave them as they were?
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« Reply #2147 on: July 16, 2007, 04:46:54 PM »

Well, I don't think, with the movies being ten hours between the three, that length was a real issue here. Surely somebody could play the Shirriffs, and they already cast Saruman (and as a side note, Christopher Lee was pretty miffed about not being in Return of the King). You might have a point with Tom Bombadil--they would have had to have cast someone with the talent of Lee or McKellan, and that sort of talent is rare--but they could have done the Shirriffs. After all, ROTK is already near four hours; what's fifteen minutes more?
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« Reply #2148 on: July 16, 2007, 05:00:14 PM »

Well, I don't think, with the movies being ten hours between the three, that length was a real issue here. Surely somebody could play the Shirriffs, and they already cast Saruman (and as a side note, Christopher Lee was pretty miffed about not being in Return of the King). You might have a point with Tom Bombadil--they would have had to have cast someone with the talent of Lee or McKellan, and that sort of talent is rare--but they could have done the Shirriffs. After all, ROTK is already near four hours; what's fifteen minutes more? 

Sure, 15 minutes.  But what about other parts of the trilogy that were glossed over that could have been more developed?  If you poll the LOTR nation at large, and then compiled the time, the movie lengths for each would have to be doubled or tripled to include not only entire sequences cut out but also sufficient character development that is part of it (i.e. they could have included the scenes, but gone quickly; or they could include them and develop them).

Oh, and 15 minutes is probably $1 million in production costs.
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« Reply #2149 on: July 16, 2007, 05:37:30 PM »

Well, now you're getting into the issue of character development in film v. books. Books will always be more descriptive than film by virtue of length. A good book will take several hours to finish; with a film, three hours is about as much as anyone can take at one sitting, and four is really pushing the limit of most people's attention span.

As far as polling the LOTR nation, they will never be satisfied by any film, because they aren't even satisfied by the book. They're always quoting from Silmarillion or one of Christopher Tolkien's supplements, and unless you put all of that into a film, you don't have a chance of satisfying all of them. Even if you could, I highly doubt you would satisfy most.

And what of the immortal characters, such as Elrond or Sauron? How would you include all of the scenes from their lives? What of the gods, who are only alluded to in LOTR but are prominently featured in Silmarillion? The point is that there must be a line drawn somewhere.

Personally, the only scenes I would have considered would be the Weeping Willow/meeting Tom Bombadil, the campfire with Tom Bombadil's song about himself, Tom Bombadil's decision to stay/the hobbits' departure from the Old Forest, and the Shirriffs. Everything else I consider a nice addition to the book, but it wouldn't have done well on film.
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« Reply #2150 on: July 16, 2007, 05:37:56 PM »

Just a note, I thought I had seen 5 people credited as screen writers on the latest POTC, but I went to the IMDB and they had 4 writers (two of which were "character writers"). I don't know if I mixed up movies or what, just wanted to add a note to fix that though.
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« Reply #2151 on: July 16, 2007, 07:03:43 PM »

Well, now you're getting into the issue of character development in film v. books. Books will always be more descriptive than film by virtue of length. A good book will take several hours to finish; with a film, three hours is about as much as anyone can take at one sitting, and four is really pushing the limit of most people's attention span.

As far as polling the LOTR nation, they will never be satisfied by any film, because they aren't even satisfied by the book. They're always quoting from Silmarillion or one of Christopher Tolkien's supplements, and unless you put all of that into a film, you don't have a chance of satisfying all of them. Even if you could, I highly doubt you would satisfy most.

And what of the immortal characters, such as Elrond or Sauron? How would you include all of the scenes from their lives? What of the gods, who are only alluded to in LOTR but are prominently featured in Silmarillion? The point is that there must be a line drawn somewhere.

Personally, the only scenes I would have considered would be the Weeping Willow/meeting Tom Bombadil, the campfire with Tom Bombadil's song about himself, Tom Bombadil's decision to stay/the hobbits' departure from the Old Forest, and the Shirriffs. Everything else I consider a nice addition to the book, but it wouldn't have done well on film.

I was never going to argue the first point with you.  But it does seem like many (not you) of the LOTR folks I know will never be satisfied with the movies unless a ton is added.  I normally just leave the argument saying "If you look at the movies as just movies, they are great."
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« Reply #2152 on: July 16, 2007, 07:07:52 PM »

Yeah, I agree with you. I'm not saying the movies are crap unless this scene was in it. It would have been fun, as those were some of my favourite scenes from the book. OTOH, they're not any less my favourite scenes just because they're not on film. These days, it seems, people write books just to make a ton of money on the movie rights. I'm glad there's still a reason to read LOTR--it's a fantastically written book.
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« Reply #2153 on: July 16, 2007, 07:16:11 PM »

These days, it seems, people write books just to make a ton of money on the movie rights. 

Amen.  Too much garbage floating out there.
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« Reply #2154 on: July 18, 2007, 11:28:15 AM »

We need to do a movie about Athonite monasticism.... Which would obviously be quite a task, since (a) no one would fund it, (b) it might get pretty boring, (c) it would draw much more attention to the Holy Mountain, which it may or may not need/want.
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« Reply #2155 on: July 18, 2007, 11:46:49 AM »

We need some really rich Orthodox person to fund it, kind of like how George Harrison funded several of Terry Gilliam's films that were so offbeat they never stood a chance of making money. Of course, it might do well if we could get Tom Hanks to star in it (his wife's GO)....
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« Reply #2156 on: July 18, 2007, 11:52:06 AM »

Hanks is supposed to be GO also.
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« Reply #2157 on: July 18, 2007, 11:54:56 AM »

Hanks is supposed to be GO also.

He's referred to as a member of St. Sophia Cathedral in LA, so I would hope he is!
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« Reply #2158 on: July 18, 2007, 11:57:12 AM »

Hanks is supposed to be GO also.

I've heard the rumour, but I don't know it for fact, so I stated only what I know. Not that having celebrities in our faith is validation for us--we're not Scientologists--but it would go a long way toward helping people be aware of the presence of Orthodoxy in the United States. I myself didn't discover it until about three years ago.
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« Reply #2159 on: July 18, 2007, 12:28:05 PM »

I've heard the rumour, but I don't know it for fact, so I stated only what I know. Not that having celebrities in our faith is validation for us--we're not Scientologists--but it would go a long way toward helping people be aware of the presence of Orthodoxy in the United States. I myself didn't discover it until about three years ago. 

According to people I know who are from the LA area, he is indeed Orthodox and a member of the Cathedral.  As to how well he practices the faith, maybe he's better at it than I am - I won't pass that kind of judgment on him.
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