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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20160 on: March 16, 2014, 08:35:55 PM »
#Firstworldproblems

People complaining about other people arguing about first world problems is a first world problem I dislike having to deal with 8)

That sounds like a title of some SOAD song.

only if you wave some Armenian flags in time...

...which only counts if your last name ends in "-ian".
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« Reply #20161 on: March 16, 2014, 08:36:50 PM »
I thought Armenian flags were Turkish delights?
(Is there a low sugar variety?)
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« Reply #20162 on: March 16, 2014, 08:38:10 PM »
#Firstworldproblems

People complaining about other people arguing about first world problems is a first world problem I dislike having to deal with 8)

That sounds like a title of some SOAD song.

only if you wave some Armenian flags in time...

...which only counts if your last name ends in "-ian".

Good point...I think some of us get a half point for being raised next door to Glendale CA.... :D

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20163 on: March 16, 2014, 08:44:23 PM »
I thought Armenian flags were Turkish delights?
(Is there a low sugar variety?)

Ach, served with Greek coffee.
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« Reply #20164 on: March 18, 2014, 08:05:24 AM »
My thought for the day: Twitter is stupid.

5 years later to the day, and just as true as it ever was.

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20165 on: March 18, 2014, 08:41:28 AM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.
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« Reply #20166 on: March 18, 2014, 10:08:45 AM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

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« Reply #20167 on: March 18, 2014, 11:45:06 AM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.
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« Reply #20168 on: March 18, 2014, 12:00:58 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20169 on: March 18, 2014, 12:12:40 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)
I always remember my math/physics professors.  They all have the same type of humor: dry, but capable of making you chuckle.
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« Reply #20170 on: March 18, 2014, 01:13:37 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

"Privilege" is essentially retarded.  If the disabled (for example) are the norm and those undeformed are something special, then I say - screw you.  Perhaps you should have done something to earn this privilege.  Don't be a sore loser.

Now, if we want to be truthful and take disabilities as a misfortune, and not shame those who don't suffer under them, then I am much more sympathetic and believe that we should help those less fortunate than us as a matter of honour. 

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20171 on: March 18, 2014, 03:07:11 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

It's the newest thing in Commieland. Haven't you heard?

I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!
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« Reply #20172 on: March 18, 2014, 03:13:40 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20173 on: March 18, 2014, 03:16:16 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20174 on: March 18, 2014, 03:32:27 PM »
The notion of privilege (as it has been explained to me, since I am all the things that mean I can't understand it) is that there are indeed disadvantages, often difficult for those not in a group to see or understand.

I can sympathize with the disabled, but I cannot empathize, simply by virtue of NOT sharing a disability.

I do believe it is real And that people shouldn't be jerks

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« Reply #20175 on: March 18, 2014, 03:49:53 PM »
The notion of privilege (as it has been explained to me, since I am all the things that mean I can't understand it) is that there are indeed disadvantages, often difficult for those not in a group to see or understand.

I can sympathize with the disabled, but I cannot empathize, simply by virtue of NOT sharing a disability.

I do believe it is real And that people shouldn't be jerks

I agree. From an Orthodox point of view, however, at the same time we have to affirm that there is such a thing as "normality" and that this is an ideal which our various disabilities cause us to fall short of. For example, castration or mutilation can disqualify a man from the priesthood, even if they don't prevent him from fulfilling his priestly duties in any obvious way. The emphasis in the "privilege" rhetoric on doing away with all discrimination risks doing away with the very idea of normality, in my view. While we must care for the disabled, the fact is that they are disabled and not "normal".

Also, it is easy to keep expanding the definition of disability such that fewer and fewer are willing to accept responsibility for their own lives, including life's misfortunes and injustices. When it comes to someone with cerebral palsy, it is pretty clear that such an individual deals with very real restrictions on mobility and coordination, and consequently needs a lot of help to carry out basic functions. On the other hand, if someone doesn't meet the qualifications for a job, but demands consideration on the grounds of ethnic or social disadvantage, I am less sympathetic.

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« Reply #20176 on: March 18, 2014, 03:57:59 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.

Could you elaborate on that?
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« Reply #20177 on: March 18, 2014, 03:58:53 PM »
Also, it is easy to keep expanding the definition of disability such that fewer and fewer are willing to accept responsibility for their own lives, including life's misfortunes and injustices. When it comes to someone with cerebral palsy, it is pretty clear that such an individual deals with very real restrictions on mobility and coordination, and consequently needs a lot of help to carry out basic functions. On the other hand, if someone doesn't meet the qualifications for a job, but demands consideration on the grounds of ethnic or social disadvantage, I am less sympathetic.

Nothing like the Pharisee who can see what really counts as disadvantage and struggle. Glad we have you, vamrat, and Cyrillic to sort these things out. Given your collective widely varying experiences and backgrounds, I can't imagine a more suitable group of persons to make such judgments.

So thanks, white guys. You are the best.
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« Reply #20178 on: March 18, 2014, 04:03:33 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.

Could you elaborate on that?

It's pretty simple. Dumb, blind, reactionary comments proliferate pretty much everywhere around here. To say anything further might be irksome to the mods. And The Walking Dead I think now has surpassed Sex in the City as most talked about piece of garbage to have run on TV ever.

But that post count keeps dwindling. The Shiny effect continues.
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« Reply #20179 on: March 18, 2014, 04:07:31 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.

Could you elaborate on that?

The bolded alone should make you wince.
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« Reply #20180 on: March 18, 2014, 04:12:35 PM »
I came upon "able privilege" while reading an article today.

Don't know what to make of it.

Pie.

May I have a piece?  Or just give me all 3.14159 pieces of it.

That joke is not at all old. ;)

Regarding "able privilege", I'm fine with the concept that lack of disability is a privilege that we should be conscious of and grateful for, and that able-bodied have an obligation to look out for the needs of the weak and disabled. This seems to be a completely Christian idea.

I'm not so comfortable with some of the "privilege" rhetoric which appears to deny the existence of an objective "normality" against which disability is defined, or which insinuates that able-bodied people ought to be ashamed of their lack of disability, or that disabled people have a right to demand accommodation of all their disabilities.

The same goes for other sorts of "privilege" rhetoric: thin privilege, male privilege, white privilege etc.

I would say this can be included in the list of left-wing perversions of Christian teachings, where obligations are turned into rights. In Christianity, no one has rights, since we all fall short of the glory of God.

Hear! Hear!

Yeah, these comments along with vamrat's add up to why this place reeks more and more. Oh yeah, that and The Walking Dead yentafest.

Could you elaborate on that?

It's pretty simple. Dumb, blind, reactionary comments proliferate pretty much everywhere around here. To say anything further might be irksome to the mods. And The Walking Dead I think now has surpassed Sex in the City as most talked about piece of garbage to have run on TV ever.

But that post count keeps dwindling. The Shiny effect continues.

Okay... but could you perhaps explain why exactly you disagree with the statements made in the above discussion? I don't think I have a definite opinion, so I would really like to hear your point of view.
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« Reply #20181 on: March 18, 2014, 04:12:57 PM »
So thanks, white guys. You are the best.

And this is what this privilege business really is all about. Blame the white man* for all of society's ills. 

Of course, "gender is a social construct." What I mean is blame all those who are white-privileged, male-privileged, straight-privileged, 'cis'-privileged, thin-privileged, able-privileged, biped-privileged and whatever-privileged. They're keepin' us down!
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« Reply #20182 on: March 18, 2014, 04:41:09 PM »
Anyway, privilege theory usually presupposes that you're firmly on the nurture side of the nature-nurture debate. In this debate the truth is in the middle, and probably even somewhat more on the nature side. Humans aren't tabulae rasae.

Also, I don't get it why the "oppressed" would constantly remind everyone else of their privileges, whether real or imagined. Doesn't it make sense to defend any sort of privilege you might have when you notice they are under attack?
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« Reply #20183 on: March 18, 2014, 04:42:20 PM »
Cheap leftist comments seem about as common here as cheap reactionary ones.

If we're talking about job qualifications, say, I'll leave it to the employer to determine who is qualified and how much concession should be given to a disadvantaged background. Sometimes a person's potential can count for as much or more than actual achievement. But it upsets me when I read about, for example, fire departments being sued because of racial disparity in the results of their aptitude tests, or the military having to adopt double standards for their fitness requirements to accommodate female soldiers. Then I think things have gone too far. Sometimes circumstances beyond your control disqualify you from a job. If so, then tough beans. We are not all equal in all things.

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« Reply #20184 on: March 18, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »
Anyway, privilege theory usually presupposes that you're firmly on the nurture side of the nature-nurture debate. In this debate the truth is in the middle, and probably even somewhat more on the nature side. Humans aren't tabulae rasae.

Also, I don't get it why the "oppressed" would constantly remind everyone else of their privileges, whether real or imagined. Doesn't it make sense to defend any sort of privilege you might have when you notice they are under attack?

You put your finger on it. It's precisely because the "privileged" are powerless, in this political climate, to keep their privileges that the "unprivileged" bring so much attention to it.

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« Reply #20185 on: March 18, 2014, 04:52:08 PM »
Cheap leftist comments seem about as common here as cheap reactionary ones.

You would've been the last person I would have guessed to somehow construe leftist as being in opposition to reactionary given your penchant for precision in language.

And Ansgar, if the posts made by Jonathan, vamrat, and Cyrillic on subjects which approach politics doesn't turn your stomach, no argument I can offer will matter.

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« Reply #20186 on: March 18, 2014, 05:08:50 PM »
And Ansgar, if the posts made by Jonathan, vamrat, and Cyrillic on subjects which approach politics doesn't turn your stomach, no argument I can offer will matter.

Try me.

I find this to be a pretty cheap argument. Orthonorm, you are a very intelligent person, but why is it that you engage in a discussion by voicing your disagreement, and then afterwards refuses to explain why you disagree?
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« Reply #20187 on: March 18, 2014, 05:18:41 PM »
So thanks, white guys. You are the best.

And this is what this privilege business really is all about. Blame the white man* for all of society's ills. 

Of course, "gender is a social construct." What I mean is blame all those who are white-privileged, male-privileged, straight-privileged, 'cis'-privileged, thin-privileged, able-privileged, biped-privileged and whatever-privileged. They're keepin' us down!
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #20188 on: March 18, 2014, 05:35:13 PM »
odi profanum... was there a more laughable sig around here

To quote Horace yet again: quamquam ridentem dicere verum quid vetat?

Hehe. You shouldn't take it too serious.

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« Reply #20189 on: March 18, 2014, 11:52:40 PM »
For what it's worth, my problem with "able privilege" wasn't necessarily what it meant so much as it was the use of the word "privilege" which I have always perceived as being a tad bit shame-y.
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« Reply #20190 on: March 19, 2014, 12:20:36 AM »
I think perhaps you're confusing (by combining) two kinds of 'privilege'.
First, there is the Privilege -by-class, ... the unearned kind; by inheiritance, or other donated form.
The other is the privilege earned by the labour of the holder thereof -the senior professor's privilege to a parking space free of charge.
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« Reply #20191 on: March 19, 2014, 12:42:08 AM »
by class of people..yes..not necessarily socio-economic..

able bodied people by the very nature of their able bodiedness get treated different and afforded things the disabled do not.

men by very virtue of being male, are afforded things that women are not (higher pay for the same job, etc...)

same thing with skin color....etc....

It is smaller things...almost not perceptible to the folks in the class that has the particular privilege. ie. men don't realize it is their maleness that means things like

"odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in the male's favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed."

but that does not make them true....it just means that sometimes we don't see it because it is a privilege -we- are afforded.


ie...I am white.  I can walk around a store, without the shopkeepers assuming I am about to steal something, and thus they follow me around.  That is something not afforded people of color....

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« Reply #20192 on: March 19, 2014, 03:21:46 AM »
able bodied people by the very nature of their able bodiedness get treated different and afforded things the disabled do not.

No, the disabled get treated differently. Being able-bodied is the norm. Usually the disabled are treated differently because people try to be extra nice to them. The horror.

And yes, they do tend to get hired less. People in wheelchairs usually suck as construction workers.

men by very virtue of being male, are afforded things that women are not (higher pay for the same job, etc...)

The 77-cent story is a myth. There are several reasons why men make more, but it isn't 23% more. Usually it has a lot to do with experience, education, working full-time instead of part-time, being a member of a union, etc. In the Netherlands young women make more than young men. Is female privilege to blame? Am I being oppressed by the Matriarchy?

It is smaller things...almost not perceptible to the folks in the class that has the particular privilege. ie. men don't realize it is their maleness that means things like

"odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in the male's favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed."

Of course. Employers don't risk losing their male employee for months because of pregnancies. I'd rather hire men as well, especially for important jobs. On top of that, women tend to be sick more often. Nature is a ******.

ie...I am white.  I can walk around a store, without the shopkeepers assuming I am about to steal something, and thus they follow me around.  That is something not afforded people of color....

"People of color" lol. Gotta love PC newspeak. Everyone is a person of color.

And no, you can't assume that you won't be followed around by the shopkeeper. Especially not when you're in your teens.

And yes, shopkeepers would sooner suspect hispanics and negroes. Crime statistics and all that. Who would you follow around, granddad in a three-piece suit or that mexican guy who looks like a gang member? Oh, the oppression!
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« Reply #20193 on: March 19, 2014, 10:01:19 PM »
Finding an old blog sometimes feels like coming across a dead body. Why did they stop just then? What happened on that day--let's say, for example, April 4th 2008--that made them abandon their precious blog forever? Or did they just grow bored? Was it apathy that killed it? More important things to do? But why just then? Why not a year later, or a year earlier? I suppose it was God's time to take it home (or whatever stuff people tell themselves). But it's sad, so so sad. Rest in peace, dead blog I just left, which was about the Pittsburgh music scene. Things have not been the same in the 6 or so years since you went silent. Or maybe they are the same, I wouldn't know. Anyway... on to bigger and better things!
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« Reply #20194 on: March 20, 2014, 01:04:12 AM »
Sometimes I forget how much caffeine there is in tea, and then I have a cup late at night and then I can't fall asleep.
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« Reply #20195 on: March 20, 2014, 01:25:33 AM »
you' dbetter check out how much there is in cocoa! a lot more than either tea or coffee!
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« Reply #20196 on: March 20, 2014, 01:28:47 AM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.
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« Reply #20197 on: March 20, 2014, 01:36:58 AM »
well, I guess Joseph Smith or Brigham Young didn't know much about organic/bio-chemistry.!
Looks like l'll stick with mint/green/herbal tea or just hot water.  :)
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« Reply #20198 on: March 20, 2014, 10:21:27 AM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.

NOTE TO PROSPECTIVE CONVERTS: Theophylline and Theobromine make great Chrismation names. 
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« Reply #20199 on: March 20, 2014, 10:47:15 AM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.

NOTE TO PROSPECTIVE CONVERTS: Theophylline and Theobromine make great Chrismation names. 

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« Reply #20200 on: March 20, 2014, 10:54:18 AM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.

NOTE TO PROSPECTIVE CONVERTS: Theophylline and Theobromine make great Chrismation names. 

Translated from the Greekish:  "God is my brother."

This can make for a great substitute for James (the Lord's brother, first bishop of Jerusalem).  James just doesn't sound Orthodox enough, and Iakovos is played out.
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« Reply #20201 on: March 20, 2014, 10:57:03 AM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.

NOTE TO PROSPECTIVE CONVERTS: Theophylline and Theobromine make great Chrismation names. 

Translated from the Greekish:  "God is my brother."

This can make for a great substitute for James (the Lord's brother, first bishop of Jerusalem).  James just doesn't sound Orthodox enough, and Iakovos is played out.

Santiago works.
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« Reply #20202 on: March 20, 2014, 12:34:27 PM »
My dad was working in Kentucky this week and surprised me this morning with a visit on his way back to NY. It was a really nice beginning to my day. :)
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« Reply #20203 on: March 20, 2014, 12:35:14 PM »
It's not just caffeine. There are three chemically-related stimulants present in coffee, tea, and cocoa. The other two are theophylline and theobromine.

I did not know that!
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« Reply #20204 on: March 20, 2014, 12:37:13 PM »
My dad was working in Kentucky this week and surprised me this morning with a visit on his way back to NY. It was a really nice beginning to my day. :)

Did he bring you a bucket of fried chicken?  Please say yes.  :)
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