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« Reply #18315 on: October 29, 2013, 07:54:46 PM »

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Real talk.

The Beyerdynamic DT660 are the greatest headphones for Classical music. I am not even kidding. $146.55 on Amazon.

norm, I don't know how often you listen to Classical or if any right now.

And my opinion is backed by many, including one that has over 100K+ in audio equipment (DACs, Amps, etc) and has listened to all the best headphones on the planet (yes including the Senn Orpheus).

Buy it. And supposedly the HD800s were, but those are like $1500

Dude, I really don't like headphones. The staging is screwy. And the details are too forward. I would rather have a decent single horn than headphones.

You don't have to convince me, I know you are insane to know as close the right answer is going to be in situation like this.

I just don't buy what the recording engineer heard is the gold standard of audition.

Heck, after LSD, some things will never be the same no matter what I use to listen to music. 911 is a Joke is now nothing but laughter forward. What are you going to do?
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« Reply #18316 on: October 29, 2013, 07:56:00 PM »

Uhhh, I know people with a turntable, a tube amp, and a set of electrostatic speakers which would nearly impossible to buy today for less than $30k. And it is worth every nickel.

The best electrostatic headphones in production are the Stax SR-009. $5K for the phones, about ~1600 for the Blue Hawaii amp to pair.

Also, I love old analog equipment BTW. The warmness, everything. If I was a recording musician, everything I would do would be in analog.

The thing is is that you have never heard a decent recording of anything much less a decent system for listening to it.

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I don't go in for achronos' headphone trip, the staging is non existent in my opinion and fatigue much greater.
The thing with these cans are more for recording and producing. Maybe mastering, but its a stretch. You have a flat frequency response and only hearing what supposedly the pros are doing in the studio. I mean most artists in the studios use em, engineers, DJs, TV producers, etc.

They are pretty much the standard.

The biannual stuff sounds really great, but I almost prefer my open cans just a smidge.

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Even if I did opt for headphone I would not be seeking studio phones with their even more fatiguing reproduction of every sonic detail flattened in my brain.
LOL that's why I have my other cans for purely for enjoying listening.

However these are so analytical in the signature that I prefer them sometimes when I want to pull certain details out of a recording.

I ain't playing Louis Armstrong out of them. Too many pops and scratches, but obviously look at when those tracks were recorded and on what machines...and how they were "remastered".

But I really am in love with my new headphones. Man some of these productions I am listening to are so layered that my other cans can't get.

Let me know after a month.

They ain't even broken in.
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« Reply #18317 on: October 29, 2013, 08:05:24 PM »

How much better could it sound for 30k? I have a $35 headset and it works just fine.
When you go from hearing sounds that come out of a narrow tin can, to literally being on stage with the musicians...we'll talk.

Here's my method on buying anything electronics: more bang for your buck.

So for example if I bought a 120GB SSD at $120 bucks, that's $1 per GB. 240GB SSD at $420 is ~$.57 per GB. Video cards it can get a little more trickier as far as how much you can overclock and push the voltage, what performance you are pulling in comparison to the next higher card.

Headphones, well I can only say a few things. What sound signature? Laid back? Over-analytical? Brighter highs? More extended lower end? Thick mids?

Since I listen to pretty much all genres of music, I had to compromise slightly to make sure all of them sound great. However my headphones knocked the price down to $699 which was a steal. It is pretty much the best value right now as a genre "master". Dark headphones though and the treble does roll off...I wish it sparkled to be honest.

Also source is important. You ain't going to get good sound coming from an iPod. My cans need an amp.

Even these Sony's I just bought, I can't even get my SanDisk Clip+ to output enough power to drive them, so I have to carry with me a portable headphone amp. And really 63 ohms, and still not enough juice? It's bizarre. I think my player is busted.

Then the quality of the song files. Lossless or bust. 320kbps is about the least I can accept, but only for recordings I can't find lossless for.

So you have two things to consider, headphones and the source. At the most basic. Then you can split hairs all you want. Like getting an 18" Optical cable cause it sounds better than 3", 6", 10" etc.
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« Reply #18318 on: October 29, 2013, 08:11:35 PM »

Dude, I really don't like headphones. The staging is screwy. And the details are too forward. I would rather have a decent single horn than headphones.
Then get some laid back cans, seriously. Yes the Sonys are very detail forward oriented. My more expensive ones, not so much.

I think you would do better with an open can. I know I won't convince you, I remember you telling me about a guy you knew who had some ridiculous tube amps.

Once you hear stuff like that, getting something I have is too compromising.

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I just don't buy what the recording engineer heard is the gold standard of audition.
And it's not, its merely a gimmick. I'd rather have a flat frequency on these Sonys just because I can hear exactly what the engineer mastered.

The problem with that is not all recordings are equal. Some have poor frequencies, others are mastered superbly. Even on the Sonys I still have to manually EQ certain tracks to play as I think they should sound.

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Heck, after LSD, some things will never be the same no matter what I use to listen to music. 911 is a Joke is now nothing but laughter forward. What are you going to do?
If I knew what music sounded like on certain drugs, I'd be an addict. I am happy accepting my sober mediocre ears lol.
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« Reply #18319 on: October 29, 2013, 08:14:32 PM »

How much better could it sound for 30k? I have a $35 headset and it works just fine.
When you go from hearing sounds that come out of a narrow tin can, to literally being on stage with the musicians...we'll talk.

Here's my method on buying anything electronics: more bang for your buck.

So for example if I bought a 120GB SSD at $120 bucks, that's $1 per GB. 240GB SSD at $420 is ~$.57 per GB. Video cards it can get a little more trickier as far as how much you can overclock and push the voltage, what performance you are pulling in comparison to the next higher card.

Headphones, well I can only say a few things. What sound signature? Laid back? Over-analytical? Brighter highs? More extended lower end? Thick mids?

Since I listen to pretty much all genres of music, I had to compromise slightly to make sure all of them sound great. However my headphones knocked the price down to $699 which was a steal. It is pretty much the best value right now as a genre "master". Dark headphones though and the treble does roll off...I wish it sparkled to be honest.

Also source is important. You ain't going to get good sound coming from an iPod. My cans need an amp.

Even these Sony's I just bought, I can't even get my SanDisk Clip+ to output enough power to drive them, so I have to carry with me a portable headphone amp. And really 63 ohms, and still not enough juice? It's bizarre. I think my player is busted.

Then the quality of the song files. Lossless or bust. 320kbps is about the least I can accept, but only for recordings I can't find lossless for.

So you have two things to consider, headphones and the source. At the most basic. Then you can split hairs all you want. Like getting an 18" Optical cable cause it sounds better than 3", 6", 10" etc.

Dude you missing my major point and the poor perfectionists always turn to be phonephiles and delude themselves.

SOUND STAGE. You don't have one.

When you are able to throw a 4' x 4' x ~2'? stage in front of you with headphones let me know.
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« Reply #18320 on: October 29, 2013, 08:15:20 PM »

Let me know after a month.

They ain't even broken in.

My good headphones I bought back Christmas last year, I know I am well over 200-300 hours...and once it hit that 100 hour mark...man it was like the velvtiest choclate syurpy rich dense sound ever.

It takes literally an hour to get my tubes to heat up properly to get the sound.
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« Reply #18321 on: October 29, 2013, 08:17:22 PM »

How much better could it sound for 30k? I have a $35 headset and it works just fine.
When you go from hearing sounds that come out of a narrow tin can, to literally being on stage with the musicians...we'll talk.

Here's my method on buying anything electronics: more bang for your buck.

So for example if I bought a 120GB SSD at $120 bucks, that's $1 per GB. 240GB SSD at $420 is ~$.57 per GB. Video cards it can get a little more trickier as far as how much you can overclock and push the voltage, what performance you are pulling in comparison to the next higher card.

Headphones, well I can only say a few things. What sound signature? Laid back? Over-analytical? Brighter highs? More extended lower end? Thick mids?

Since I listen to pretty much all genres of music, I had to compromise slightly to make sure all of them sound great. However my headphones knocked the price down to $699 which was a steal. It is pretty much the best value right now as a genre "master". Dark headphones though and the treble does roll off...I wish it sparkled to be honest.

Also source is important. You ain't going to get good sound coming from an iPod. My cans need an amp.

Even these Sony's I just bought, I can't even get my SanDisk Clip+ to output enough power to drive them, so I have to carry with me a portable headphone amp. And really 63 ohms, and still not enough juice? It's bizarre. I think my player is busted.

Then the quality of the song files. Lossless or bust. 320kbps is about the least I can accept, but only for recordings I can't find lossless for.

So you have two things to consider, headphones and the source. At the most basic. Then you can split hairs all you want. Like getting an 18" Optical cable cause it sounds better than 3", 6", 10" etc.

Dude you missing my major point and the poor perfectionists always turn to be phonephiles and delude themselves.

SOUND STAGE. You don't have one.

When you are able to throw a 4' x 4' x ~2'? stage in front of you with headphones let me know.


There you go.

And of course I can't argue with that.
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« Reply #18322 on: October 29, 2013, 08:18:00 PM »

Let me know after a month.

They ain't even broken in.

My good headphones I bought back Christmas last year, I know I am well over 200-300 hours...and once it hit that 100 hour mark...man it was like the velvtiest choclate syurpy rich dense sound ever.

It takes literally an hour to get my tubes to heat up properly to get the sound.

And you need that heat in your lonely existence.

Really, headphones make no sense unless you are really into editing, production, or live with me who doesn't want to hear music but rarely.

And don't tell me you listen to your movies with your headphones.
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« Reply #18323 on: October 29, 2013, 08:19:07 PM »

Also, Cryllic, it is best to ignore my ravings. I am a deranged "pseudophile".

But to be honest, most audiophile stuff is BS. I've heard 20 dollar IEMs best 500-800 dollar headphones. No joke.

I guess that only supports norm's argument here LOL.
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« Reply #18324 on: October 29, 2013, 08:21:12 PM »

How much better could it sound for 30k? I have a $35 headset and it works just fine.
When you go from hearing sounds that come out of a narrow tin can, to literally being on stage with the musicians...we'll talk.

Here's my method on buying anything electronics: more bang for your buck.

So for example if I bought a 120GB SSD at $120 bucks, that's $1 per GB. 240GB SSD at $420 is ~$.57 per GB. Video cards it can get a little more trickier as far as how much you can overclock and push the voltage, what performance you are pulling in comparison to the next higher card.

Headphones, well I can only say a few things. What sound signature? Laid back? Over-analytical? Brighter highs? More extended lower end? Thick mids?

Since I listen to pretty much all genres of music, I had to compromise slightly to make sure all of them sound great. However my headphones knocked the price down to $699 which was a steal. It is pretty much the best value right now as a genre "master". Dark headphones though and the treble does roll off...I wish it sparkled to be honest.

Also source is important. You ain't going to get good sound coming from an iPod. My cans need an amp.

Even these Sony's I just bought, I can't even get my SanDisk Clip+ to output enough power to drive them, so I have to carry with me a portable headphone amp. And really 63 ohms, and still not enough juice? It's bizarre. I think my player is busted.

Then the quality of the song files. Lossless or bust. 320kbps is about the least I can accept, but only for recordings I can't find lossless for.

So you have two things to consider, headphones and the source. At the most basic. Then you can split hairs all you want. Like getting an 18" Optical cable cause it sounds better than 3", 6", 10" etc.

Dude you missing my major point and the poor perfectionists always turn to be phonephiles and delude themselves.

SOUND STAGE. You don't have one.

When you are able to throw a 4' x 4' x ~2'? stage in front of you with headphones let me know.


There you go.

And of course I can't argue with that.

And you know my disabilities or at least some of them, so a soundstage is nice to have. Some people can sorta make it happen with phones, and I won't argue they can't. They don't get the detail of staging. But my wordless, soundless, and pictureless brain can't do it.

But I can't afford the room nor the money nor the care for real audio anymore. I once approached something on a modest budget of $5k in 1994 dollars.

Of course I wasn't stupid and was able to see everything for more later beating inflation.

That is my biggest gripe with nearly all consumables anymore. Almost nothng will outpace inflation without a really stupid accident happening in the market.
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« Reply #18325 on: October 29, 2013, 08:23:37 PM »

Dude I am probably going to buy some speaker that will let iTunes just send them aflacs via airplay.

Easiest solution.

My Tivoli One at work freaks people out.

They are expecting something huge when they walk into the lab, even with talk radio, when they see how much sound you can get out of one horn, they are shocked.
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« Reply #18326 on: October 29, 2013, 08:26:28 PM »

Dude I'd love to have speakers, but you think I'm going to get them for my apartment? Nope. I would love to have a basement and "sound-proof" it somehow.

If you really want to imitate or "simulate" the effect of have speakers around your head, the only thing I can think of is using an audio program. Even if I change the settings on my driver software, I can still detect L and R only.

But norm, ain't most stuff recorded in stereo with some guy on a mixing board with headphones?

If I'm getting speakers, I'd get 5.1 versions of stuff. I dunno how you would take a track recorded 2 channel and output it?
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« Reply #18327 on: October 29, 2013, 08:43:02 PM »

Dude I'd love to have speakers, but you think I'm going to get them for my apartment? Nope. I would love to have a basement and "sound-proof" it somehow.

If you really want to imitate or "simulate" the effect of have speakers around your head, the only thing I can think of is using an audio program. Even if I change the settings on my driver software, I can still detect L and R only.

But norm, ain't most stuff recorded in stereo with some guy on a mixing board with headphones?

If I'm getting speakers, I'd get 5.1 versions of stuff. I dunno how you would take a track recorded 2 channel and output it?

So you watch films with headphones?

Dude, I hope you are really, really, really careful with the volume. I know a lot of people your age who have better frequency response than I do, but cannot hear as well as I do.

Be careful.
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« Reply #18328 on: October 29, 2013, 08:47:17 PM »

No films I use..

Get ready for it...

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My TV speakers.

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The hearing problem/volume is something that will come to haunt me later. I did test my frequency response and it is normal, however I am sure I probably don't hear as well as you can. I don't have tinnitus though, thank God.
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No films I use..

Get ready for it...

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My TV speakers.

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The hearing problem/volume is something that will come to haunt me later. I did test my frequency response and it is normal, however I am sure I probably don't hear as well as you can. I don't have tinnitus though, thank God.

Frequency response isn't the only salient metric. That was my point above. I know people your age with better freq response than I have but I "hear" way way better. My ears are insanely good but I have the upper range of a 50 year old
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« Reply #18330 on: October 29, 2013, 09:46:37 PM »

No films I use..

Get ready for it...

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My TV speakers.

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The hearing problem/volume is something that will come to haunt me later. I did test my frequency response and it is normal, however I am sure I probably don't hear as well as you can. I don't have tinnitus though, thank God.

Frequency response isn't the only salient metric. That was my point above. I know people your age with better freq response than I have but I "hear" way way better. My ears are insanely good but I have the upper range of a 50 year old

Does that mean female vocals are piercing to you?

Also these Sonys are what's the word have a lot of sibilance? Yeah fatigue city on certain albums.
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« Reply #18331 on: October 30, 2013, 05:00:51 PM »

To lace or no laces on the Air Force 1s mid with strap.

I'll throw up a pic tonight what they look like now
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« Reply #18332 on: October 30, 2013, 06:51:26 PM »

Come back from my trip to find a slug in my kitchen? Seriously? The nerve!

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« Reply #18333 on: October 30, 2013, 07:07:17 PM »

Thank god you didn't put up pics.

The slug in Willy Wonka scarred me for life.
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« Reply #18335 on: October 31, 2013, 09:22:29 AM »

Thank god you didn't put up pics.

The slug in Willy Wonka scarred me for life.

Somehow I missed that.  Did it look like this:

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« Reply #18336 on: October 31, 2013, 10:43:40 AM »

I'll prob just end up wearing my fez on Halloween and get asked dumb questions about doctor who
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« Reply #18337 on: October 31, 2013, 10:51:52 AM »

All this talk of slugs makes me hungry for a good plate of escargot.  Mmmm, with butter, garlic, and parsley.  A nice chunk of bread with some Alsatian Gewürztraminer would really hit the spot.
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« Reply #18338 on: October 31, 2013, 11:46:20 AM »

All this talk of slugs makes me hungry for a good plate of escargot.  Mmmm, with butter, garlic, and parsley.  A nice chunk of bread with some Alsatian Gewürztraminer would really hit the spot.

All the above, sans slugs in mobile homes. Grin
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« Reply #18339 on: October 31, 2013, 12:34:09 PM »

Mobile homes are merely decorative.  A garnish, if you will, to present the delicious gastropod.  Besides, enough garlic and parsley makes it yummy.
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« Reply #18340 on: October 31, 2013, 01:02:05 PM »

It has been confirmed to me, yet again, that Muslim converts love to pepper Arabic words in conversation.  Well, it can't be too much different from hyperdox use of "Well, the Holy Fathers said..."

I should probably use Koine Greek randomly in my everyday speech.  Maybe my points will get across.
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« Reply #18341 on: October 31, 2013, 01:05:52 PM »

I'll prob just end up wearing my fez on Halloween and get asked dumb questions about doctor who

Make sure you hand out Jammie Dodgers to trick-or-treaters! (I doubt that fish fingers and custard will go down very well...)
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« Reply #18342 on: October 31, 2013, 02:09:36 PM »

It has been confirmed to me, yet again, that Muslim converts love to pepper Arabic words in conversation.  Well, it can't be too much different from hyperdox use of "Well, the Holy Fathers said..."

I should probably use Koine Greek randomly in my everyday speech.  Maybe my points will get across.

Was going on about this last night.

I lived with and among Muslim and we didn't speak either English nor Arabic to each other. Never did they thrown Arabic in at me. Some always said Allah.

The English speaking revert thing is weird.
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« Reply #18343 on: October 31, 2013, 02:11:25 PM »

It has been confirmed to me, yet again, that Muslim converts love to pepper Arabic words in conversation.  Well, it can't be too much different from hyperdox use of "Well, the Holy Fathers said..."

I should probably use Koine Greek randomly in my everyday speech.  Maybe my points will get across.

TBF, the hyperdox here and in the world do use foreign words. Theotokos is forgivable cause the English renderings are awful, but everything else is silly.
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« Reply #18344 on: October 31, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »

Was going on about this last night.

I lived with and among Muslim and we didn't speak either English nor Arabic to each other. Never did they thrown Arabic in at me. Some always said Allah.

The English speaking revert thing is weird.

High school was great.  I knew many Muslims from different countries and, even when we talked about religion, we spoke English.  My friends said "God" rather than "Allah."
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« Reply #18345 on: October 31, 2013, 07:26:15 PM »

I should probably use Koine Greek randomly in my everyday speech.  Maybe my points will get across.

Attic Greek is the way to go.

And no, I've tried that one. You will not get your points across.
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« Reply #18346 on: October 31, 2013, 07:48:26 PM »

NaNoWriMo is officially underway! Heading off to the kick-off write-in now... Grin
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« Reply #18347 on: October 31, 2013, 09:25:02 PM »

my heart will go on~
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« Reply #18348 on: November 01, 2013, 11:41:35 AM »

I've gone through literally dozens of salons online and can't commit to a single one.

I just want a great haircut why is that so hard for people to do.
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« Reply #18349 on: November 01, 2013, 11:42:25 AM »

I've gone through literally dozens of salons online and can't commit to a single one.

I just want a great haircut why is that so hard for people to do.
Just cut your own hair.  All you need are some clippers and a mirror.  So much easier.
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« Reply #18350 on: November 01, 2013, 11:43:28 AM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
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« Reply #18351 on: November 01, 2013, 11:53:21 AM »

I've gone through literally dozens of salons online and can't commit to a single one.

I just want a great haircut why is that so hard for people to do.
Just cut your own hair.  All you need are some clippers and a mirror.  So much easier.
you also need hair.
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« Reply #18352 on: November 01, 2013, 11:57:55 AM »

I've gone through literally dozens of salons online and can't commit to a single one.

I just want a great haircut why is that so hard for people to do.
Just cut your own hair.  All you need are some clippers and a mirror.  So much easier.
I was going to use a lawnmower but it might be too difficult to steer.
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« Reply #18353 on: November 01, 2013, 11:58:13 AM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
Only gays and women should cut hair.
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« Reply #18354 on: November 01, 2013, 11:59:42 AM »

I've gone through literally dozens of salons online and can't commit to a single one.

I just want a great haircut why is that so hard for people to do.
Just cut your own hair.  All you need are some clippers and a mirror.  So much easier.

Real men use chainsaws instead.
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« Reply #18355 on: November 01, 2013, 12:00:53 PM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
Only gays and women should cut hair.

Real men shave it. With a Bic, not namby-pamby clippers.
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« Reply #18356 on: November 01, 2013, 12:02:37 PM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
Only gays and women should cut hair.

Real men shave it. With a Bic, not namby-pamby clippers.
If they are balding, sure. And lol @ Bic. I nick my skin every time with their cheap dollar razors
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« Reply #18357 on: November 01, 2013, 12:34:35 PM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
Only gays and women should cut hair.

Real men shave it. With a Bic, not namby-pamby clippers.
If they are balding, sure. And lol @ Bic. I nick my skin every time with their cheap dollar razors

Be a real real man.  Let your beard and hair grow and flow.  Think of the $$ you'll save on razors, shaving cream, haircuts, etc.  AND you will look ever so manly!!
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« Reply #18358 on: November 01, 2013, 12:37:52 PM »

Or scope out the barbershops. Those people know their scissors.
Only gays and women should cut hair.

Real men shave it. With a Bic, not namby-pamby clippers.
If they are balding, sure. And lol @ Bic. I nick my skin every time with their cheap dollar razors

Be a real real man.  Let your beard and hair grow and flow.  Think of the $$ you'll save on razors, shaving cream, haircuts, etc.  AND you will look ever so manly!!

Soo... what you're saying is that we all have to convert to Sikhism?
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« Reply #18359 on: November 01, 2013, 12:38:28 PM »

Jeffy, as I have said numerous times.

I can't grow a beard.

All I have is peach fuzz on my stache area and under my chin.
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