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« Reply #16920 on: July 27, 2013, 01:04:19 AM »
If a catechumen dies before being baptized they are given an Orthodox funeral.  I personally think that is proof enough.  Of course I have a feeling that William will disagree. 

Well Ionnis I'm not qualified to speak on that theologically, but isn't their death what the Fathers called the baptism of desire?

You're probably right, William.  I shouldn't have said anything.  I am actually not well-versed in these sorts of things.
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« Reply #16921 on: July 27, 2013, 01:05:09 AM »
And yet you keep posting. That's odd.

How original.  You must be very proud of yourself.    

So that was just empty rhetoric? Like the term "full member"?

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Because the four words "Baptism and the Eucharist" were a stunning refutation of my argument?  Maybe you enjoy fantasy literature too.

It's okay, I don't read it too much though. I've been meaning to get back into LOTR.

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At any rate, I did tell you I've spoken to bishops on the matter.  I'm not going to provide you with a notarised transcript, but you're welcome to ask around yourself and let me know if you come up with something different.  If you want to know more about funeral rites and how they were treated by the Church (and thus how catechumens would get one but you wouldn't), PM me and I'll tell you how to get a hold of my thesis.  And I referred you to the rite for making a catechumen, asking you to pay attention both to the words of the prayer and the attendant ritual.  If multi-tasking is difficult for you, then I'm sorry, but I'm not here to spoon-feed you needed correction.

Okay, let me know when you produce some evidence.

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« Reply #16922 on: July 27, 2013, 01:09:01 AM »
That's funny.  Now I'll have to figure out something else to read if that doesn't work out...

Who needs Joyce? Have you finished the Russian classics?

Well, I don't know what your list of "the Russian classics" does and does not include, but many moons ago, I took a couple of Russian lit classes in undergrad and read a considerable amount of Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.  I've been meaning to start reading Platonov for almost all that time, but never got around to it.  Would he make your list? 
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« Reply #16923 on: July 27, 2013, 01:13:51 AM »
Well, since good old traditional William is arguing for true Orthodoxy against the liberaldox modernists, I'm going to take his side and throw something else controversial into the mix: the Orthodox Church always has & still does condemn birth control except in the case of health. You'd be hard pressed to find a Church Father who didn't disapprove of it. Anyone who says differently is a mislead liberaldox.
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« Reply #16924 on: July 27, 2013, 01:15:54 AM »
That's funny.  Now I'll have to figure out something else to read if that doesn't work out...

Who needs Joyce? Have you finished the Russian classics?

Well, I don't know what your list of "the Russian classics" does and does not include, but many moons ago, I took a couple of Russian lit classes in undergrad and read a considerable amount of Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.  I've been meaning to start reading Platonov for almost all that time, but never got around to it.  Would he make your list? 

Never heard of Platonov, though I didn't study much Russian literature. Gogol, Lermontov, Chekhov, and Leskov make my list. Leskov and Chekhov have some great short stories. I rather liked Turgenev's "Fathers and Sons." Pasternak's "Doctor Zhivago" is another classic. If you like poetry, you might consider Anna Akhmatova. Viktor (I think) Shalamov wrote stories about life in Stalinist times.

Venturing beyond Russia to other worthy reads there's the little known Ben-Hur by Lew Wallace. It's even better than the movie, with more overt Christianity. You just need a grain of patience with the 19th century overdescription of buildings.
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« Reply #16925 on: July 27, 2013, 01:20:55 AM »
And here's another one while I'm at it that's bound to tick more of you off: that Fr. Alexander Schemem or however the heck you spell his name guy that so many converts worship is a crazy old ecumenist looney who attended Vatican II and wants to see Orthodoxy take a similar path.

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« Reply #16926 on: July 27, 2013, 01:21:08 AM »
Chekhov, you say?  Short stories?  I think I can do that.

My prof recommended Platonov to me when I was studying with him.  Don't know much about him, but I think he was a Soviet author who didn't have a lot of good things to say about Stalin's policies.  It took a few years for me even to locate a copy of the specific book he recommended, and by that time I was in school again and had no time for it.  :P
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« Reply #16927 on: July 27, 2013, 01:25:39 AM »
Chekhov, you say?  Short stories?  I think I can do that.

My prof recommended Platonov to me when I was studying with him.  Don't know much about him, but I think he was a Soviet author who didn't have a lot of good things to say about Stalin's policies.  It took a few years for me even to locate a copy of the specific book he recommended, and by that time I was in school again and had no time for it.  :P

Chekhov, though he wasn't a believer, has several stories about Pascha, seminarians, clergy which are pretty good.
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« Reply #16928 on: July 27, 2013, 01:34:34 AM »
Chekhov, though he wasn't a believer, has several stories about Pascha, seminarians, clergy which are pretty good.

Are they better than the stories about those same things told by believers? 
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« Reply #16929 on: July 27, 2013, 01:51:41 AM »
Well, since good old traditional William is arguing for true Orthodoxy against the liberaldox modernists, I'm going to take his side and throw something else controversial into the mix: the Orthodox Church always has & still does condemn birth control except in the case of health. You'd be hard pressed to find a Church Father who didn't disapprove of it. Anyone who says differently is a mislead liberaldox.

Can you provide one quote from a Church Father who said birth control was permissible "in the case of health" (I assume you mean poor health)?
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« Reply #16930 on: July 27, 2013, 02:15:26 AM »
An excerpt from a homily I read:

"Why, O man, do you hate the sinner? Could it be because he is not so righteous as you? But where is your righteousness when you have no love? Why do you not shed tears over him? But you persecute him. In ignorance some, who are considered to be discerning men, are moved to anger against the deeds of sinners."  -St. Isaac the Syrian
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« Reply #16931 on: July 27, 2013, 11:54:13 PM »
I believe I will stick to information about Orthodoxy from priests and accepted/approved books in the future.  Far too many personal opinions flying hereabouts to get any distinct answers.

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« Reply #16932 on: July 28, 2013, 03:00:09 AM »
And here's another one while I'm at it that's bound to tick more of you off: that Alexander Schemem or however the heck you spell his name guy that so many converts worship is a crazy old ecumenist looney who attended Vatican II and wants to see Orthodoxy take a similar path.

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« Reply #16933 on: July 28, 2013, 03:10:48 AM »
And here's another one while I'm at it that's bound to tick more of you off: that Alexander Schemem or however the heck you spell his name guy that so many converts worship is a crazy old ecumenist looney who attended Vatican II and wants to see Orthodoxy take a similar path.
Before I can take you seriously as an informed opinionated person about him, I must ask if you are so informed about this man, or "that guy", how is it you seem to have missed the "Fr." before his name (or even know how to spell his name).  You do know he was a priest...right?
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« Reply #16934 on: July 28, 2013, 04:46:38 AM »
There are currently four registered users on the board... and three of them are invisible.  I feel like I'm being spied on  :o
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« Reply #16935 on: July 28, 2013, 08:37:11 AM »
There are currently four registered users on the board... and three of them are invisible.  I feel like I'm being spied on  :o

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« Reply #16936 on: July 29, 2013, 11:36:09 AM »
And here's another one while I'm at it that's bound to tick more of you off: that Alexander Schemem or however the heck you spell his name guy that so many converts worship is a crazy old ecumenist looney who attended Vatican II and wants to see Orthodoxy take a similar path.
Before I can take you seriously as an informed opinionated person about him, I must ask if you are so informed about this man, or "that guy", how is it you seem to have missed the "Fr." before his name (or even know how to spell his name).  You do know he was a priest...right?

JamesR has also referred to God as "that guy", so I guess Fr. Alexander's in good company. ::)
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« Reply #16937 on: July 29, 2013, 11:39:41 AM »
And here's another one while I'm at it that's bound to tick more of you off: that Alexander Schemem or however the heck you spell his name guy that so many converts worship is a crazy old ecumenist looney who attended Vatican II and wants to see Orthodoxy take a similar path.
Before I can take you seriously as an informed opinionated person about him, I must ask if you are so informed about this man, or "that guy", how is it you seem to have missed the "Fr." before his name (or even know how to spell his name).  You do know he was a priest...right?

JamesR has also referred to God as "that guy", so I guess Fr. Alexander's in good company. ::)

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« Reply #16938 on: July 30, 2013, 04:47:44 AM »
I have 11 books on my coffee table, that I am at various stages of working through  :-\  I have about 3 weeks to get that cut down significantly, before the next school semester starts...
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« Reply #16939 on: July 30, 2013, 08:53:19 AM »
I have 11 books on my coffee table, that I am at various stages of working through  :-\  I have about 3 weeks to get that cut down significantly, before the next school semester starts...

This should help....


Got one?  If not, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowe's, Walmart, etc.....Not all that expensive, either. ;D ;D

Heck, I'll even lend you mine!! ;)
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« Reply #16940 on: July 30, 2013, 10:00:09 AM »
It took me forever to find this thread again, but oh, it is stickied! maybe i forgot

but I have noticed next to my name I am now a "senior" member...

sorry I cannot have this

how do i stop this

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« Reply #16941 on: July 30, 2013, 10:01:45 AM »
It took me forever to find this thread again, but oh, it is stickied!

My bad.

but I have noticed next to my name I am now a "senior" member...

sorry I cannot have this

how do i stop this

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« Reply #16942 on: July 30, 2013, 10:17:11 AM »
It took me forever to find this thread again, but oh, it is stickied!

My bad.

but I have noticed next to my name I am now a "senior" member...

sorry I cannot have this

how do i stop this

Keep on posting. You'll get weird Greek titles.

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« Reply #16943 on: July 30, 2013, 10:23:14 AM »
I just realized that Arachne is at High Elder.

I'm still a Senior Member and I was on this sight before her.

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« Reply #16944 on: July 30, 2013, 06:28:35 PM »
I just realized that Arachne is at High Elder.

I'm still a Senior Member and I was on this sight before her.

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« Reply #16945 on: July 30, 2013, 08:05:29 PM »
I've just made Elder, haha

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« Reply #16946 on: July 30, 2013, 08:14:31 PM »
But you're a banished and disgraced elder... ?  ???
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« Reply #16947 on: July 30, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »
I just realized that Arachne is at High Elder.

I'm still a Senior Member and I was on this sight before her.

You've got a life.


or its that he was on a sight and she was on the site....


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« Reply #16948 on: July 30, 2013, 08:41:55 PM »
I ran three miles today in boots.



That was really stupid.

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« Reply #16949 on: July 30, 2013, 09:18:36 PM »


My neighbor had one custom built to fit over this missing hand and loves to show it off...

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« Reply #16950 on: July 31, 2013, 04:30:12 AM »
Really down on my luck. In a foreign country with few friends and now I don't even have enough money to have a roof. Barely enough to eat.
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« Reply #16951 on: July 31, 2013, 04:30:36 AM »
I ran three miles today in boots.



That was really stupid.

Sore legs? Also, I hope you got away from whoever or whatever you were running from...  :angel:
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« Reply #16952 on: July 31, 2013, 04:31:00 AM »
Really down on my luck. In a foreign country with few friends and now I don't even have enough money to have a roof. Barely enough to eat.

 :-\
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« Reply #16953 on: July 31, 2013, 04:46:55 AM »
I ran three miles today in boots.



That was really stupid.

Sore legs? Also, I hope you got away from whoever or whatever you were running from...  :angel:

Blistered feet.  I think I was trying to catch my youth.  It was running much faster than I was.

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« Reply #16954 on: July 31, 2013, 09:13:31 AM »
I ran three miles today in boots.



That was really stupid.

Sore legs? Also, I hope you got away from whoever or whatever you were running from...  :angel:

I'm pretty sure it was either this guy



or this guy



Which one did you say your neighbor was?? ;D
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« Reply #16955 on: July 31, 2013, 02:46:37 PM »
This is my 5000st post. Time for a party.
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« Reply #16956 on: July 31, 2013, 02:47:36 PM »
Really down on my luck. In a foreign country with few friends and now I don't even have enough money to have a roof. Barely enough to eat.

So what's up? Aren't you in the military? I guess I misunderstood your situation...
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« Reply #16957 on: July 31, 2013, 02:50:17 PM »
Really down on my luck. In a foreign country with few friends and now I don't even have enough money to have a roof. Barely enough to eat.

So what's up? Aren't you in the military? I guess I misunderstood your situation...

I thought he was, too.  Even asked a couple of times why he's in HK, but never saw a reply.  Hmm...(He doesn't have a computer full of secret NSA documents, does he?? :o :o)
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« Reply #16958 on: July 31, 2013, 02:51:19 PM »
This is my 5000st post. Time for a party.

You need to make a thread announcing this important milestone. Pics or it doesn't count.
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« Reply #16959 on: August 01, 2013, 01:27:32 AM »
Shall I start another game of Civ IV, or go to bed?
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16960 on: August 01, 2013, 01:42:33 AM »
No idea what that is, so if it's what I thought it was (an undergrad, fourth year Civics class posing as fun), just go to bed.  :P
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16961 on: August 01, 2013, 02:35:49 AM »
I tore out the carpet at my grandmother's house and replaced it with wood flooring for her as a surprise while she's in Vegas. I hope she likes it; she's been wanting it for a while.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16962 on: August 01, 2013, 08:10:21 AM »
Shall I start another game of Civ IV, or go to bed?
You should play Medieval II: Total War instead.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16963 on: August 01, 2013, 10:30:45 AM »


I didn't know that Astrektios is a Monarchist.

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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16964 on: August 01, 2013, 10:53:41 AM »
Shall I start another game of Civ IV, or go to bed?

I've been playing Civ IV as well for the last few days.
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