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« Reply #16875 on: July 26, 2013, 10:51:43 PM »
*gets lost on the holodeck while trying to simulate the rapture*

The other day, I searched for pictures of the Rapture on Google Images.  There are some exceptionally bizarre paintings of people flying high in the sky towards the Lord resembling certain little swimmers headed for a particular egg. 
LOL!!! The saved are impregnating heaven?  That is a new one for me.  :D
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« Reply #16876 on: July 26, 2013, 10:54:46 PM »
My night in a nutshell:


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« Reply #16877 on: July 26, 2013, 10:56:34 PM »
*gets lost on the holodeck while trying to simulate the rapture*

Mr. Broccoli, is that you?

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« Reply #16878 on: July 26, 2013, 10:56:45 PM »
Silence!  This is important, you need to know what the end times will look like.

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« Reply #16879 on: July 26, 2013, 10:57:56 PM »
My night in a nutshell:


Asteriktos, you are so much more attractive than I had initially thought.  Your eye shadow is fantastic!
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« Reply #16880 on: July 26, 2013, 10:58:59 PM »
Warning: objects may be uglier in reality than they appear in the image.
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« Reply #16881 on: July 26, 2013, 11:00:45 PM »
My night in a nutshell:


Asteriktos, you are so much more attractive than I had initially thought.  Your eye shadow is fantastic!

You think cakeface is attractive?
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« Reply #16882 on: July 26, 2013, 11:01:34 PM »
That was really uncalled for.  Apologize to Asteriktos immediately!
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« Reply #16883 on: July 26, 2013, 11:04:28 PM »
It's ok. I was a butterface in high school, and my self-esteem has never quite recovered, thus the makeup.
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« Reply #16884 on: July 26, 2013, 11:06:45 PM »
It's ok. I was a butterface in high school, and my self-esteem has never quite recovered, thus the makeup.
You just look so sad in that picture, I wish I could come over and give you a nice backrub.
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« Reply #16885 on: July 26, 2013, 11:07:37 PM »
Joyce is a harder read than Shakespeare is

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« Reply #16886 on: July 26, 2013, 11:08:16 PM »
It's ok. I was a butterface in high school, and my self-esteem has never quite recovered, thus the makeup.
You just look so sad in that picture, I wish I could come over and give you a nice backrub.

I feel funny about this. Not ha ha funny either.  :o 8)

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« Reply #16887 on: July 26, 2013, 11:08:33 PM »
Joyce is a harder read than Shakespeare is

But is he better?

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« Reply #16888 on: July 26, 2013, 11:09:41 PM »
Trisagion, why does your faith tag say Orthodox? Aren't you a catechumen?
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« Reply #16889 on: July 26, 2013, 11:11:28 PM »
Joyce is a harder read than Shakespeare is

But is he better?

Blasphemy!! The Bard is not of an age, but for all time! :police:
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« Reply #16890 on: July 26, 2013, 11:12:07 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  
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« Reply #16891 on: July 26, 2013, 11:27:21 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  

What are you talking about?
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« Reply #16892 on: July 26, 2013, 11:27:26 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  
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« Reply #16893 on: July 26, 2013, 11:28:24 PM »
Joyce is a harder read than Shakespeare is

Oh, dear God, having to study Dubliners in high school was a truly vile and depressing experience ....  :P :P :P
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« Reply #16894 on: July 26, 2013, 11:40:01 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  

What are you talking about?

Well, if Trisagion is not an official catechumen, I apologise and agree with you that "Orthodox" would not technically apply to him.  But I presumed from previous posts that he was an official catechumen, in which case he is considered a member of the Orthodox Church, even if not baptised and therefore a "full" member. 

So what are you talking about?   
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« Reply #16895 on: July 26, 2013, 11:40:49 PM »
Oh, dear God, having to study Dubliners in high school was a truly vile and depressing experience ....  :P :P :P

Is it really that bad?  I have it on my short list of things I want to start reading.  I even took it out of storage and put it on my main shelf.  :P
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« Reply #16896 on: July 26, 2013, 11:46:43 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  

What are you talking about?

Well, if Trisagion is not an official catechumen, I apologise and agree with you that "Orthodox" would not technically apply to him.  But I presumed from previous posts that he was an official catechumen, in which case he is considered a member of the Orthodox Church, even if not baptised and therefore a "full" member. 

So what are you talking about?   

I am asking you where you got this idea that catechumens are members of the Orthodox church.
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« Reply #16897 on: July 26, 2013, 11:48:33 PM »
Joyce is a harder read than Shakespeare is

But is he better?

Blasphemy!! The Bard is not of an age, but for all time! :police:

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« Reply #16898 on: July 26, 2013, 11:49:17 PM »
If I shoot him now and he dies, he gets an Orthodox burial. So there's that.  :police:
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« Reply #16899 on: July 26, 2013, 11:53:53 PM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  

What are you talking about?

Well, if Trisagion is not an official catechumen, I apologise and agree with you that "Orthodox" would not technically apply to him.  But I presumed from previous posts that he was an official catechumen, in which case he is considered a member of the Orthodox Church, even if not baptised and therefore a "full" member. 

So what are you talking about?   

I am asking you where you got this idea that catechumens are members of the Orthodox church.

http://st-innocent.org/becomingorthodox.html

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During this time catechumens are on some level members of the church.  For example if during this time they would die for their faith the Church would bury them.
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« Reply #16900 on: July 26, 2013, 11:58:41 PM »
http://st-innocent.org/becomingorthodox.html

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« Reply #16901 on: July 27, 2013, 12:09:10 AM »
Official catechumens are considered members, even if not yet baptised, last I checked.  

What are you talking about?

Well, if Trisagion is not an official catechumen, I apologise and agree with you that "Orthodox" would not technically apply to him.  But I presumed from previous posts that he was an official catechumen, in which case he is considered a member of the Orthodox Church, even if not baptised and therefore a "full" member. 

So what are you talking about?   

I am asking you where you got this idea that catechumens are members of the Orthodox church.

http://st-innocent.org/becomingorthodox.html

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During this time catechumens are on some level members of the church.  For example if during this time they would die for their faith the Church would bury them.

That doesn't say what Mor Ephrem said.
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« Reply #16902 on: July 27, 2013, 12:11:20 AM »
I am asking you where you got this idea that catechumens are members of the Orthodox church.

Well, bishops, for one.  I've spoken to many.    

They get a funeral if they die before they are baptised, so there's that.  The funeral is not "one of the seven sacraments" (a Latin innovation, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you...), but it has not infrequently been treated as a sacrament in the larger tradition of the Church, and it's not like they're given out freely to visitors like antidoron.  I did my M.Div. thesis on funeral rites in the Orthodox Church, so I know something about those, as the degree-granting faculty will vouch if challenged.    

Catechumens are allowed to attend the Liturgy in the nave until their dismissal, at which point various traditions exist for what they do (e.g., stand outside the doors in the narthex and pray, go home, etc.).  Traditionally, you wouldn't be allowed to enter the nave if you were just some guy off the street who was interested in esoteric Christian art (let alone the nave for the Liturgy) because there was a porter or subdeacon to watch the doors, so that's another thing.  "The doors, the doors" isn't just a cool thing to say.  It means something.    

And that's beside the fact that there's the prickly problem of what to do about "catechumens" who are going to be received by some form of economy because their previous baptisms (and/or chrismation, if applicable) are deemed acceptable.  Can you be a catechumen if you are baptised?  Perhaps you want to stand by the commonly held belief that "economy fills the grace that is lacking in the heterodox shell of a sacrament", but that alone won't get you across the finish line unless you ignore history.  

What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?  

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« Reply #16903 on: July 27, 2013, 12:13:19 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.
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« Reply #16904 on: July 27, 2013, 12:17:22 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   
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« Reply #16905 on: July 27, 2013, 12:22:53 AM »
Oh, dear God, having to study Dubliners in high school was a truly vile and depressing experience ....  :P :P :P

Is it really that bad?  I have it on my short list of things I want to start reading.  I even took it out of storage and put it on my main shelf.  :P

If you do decide to read it, be prepared for any gastrointestinal or psychological disturbances which might ensue. Turgid and increasingly depressing with each story ...
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« Reply #16906 on: July 27, 2013, 12:25:28 AM »
That's funny.  Now I'll have to figure out something else to read if that doesn't work out...
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« Reply #16907 on: July 27, 2013, 12:31:37 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
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« Reply #16908 on: July 27, 2013, 12:41:47 AM »
Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.

Are you even Orthodox?  Given your strong feelings on the matter, I imagine you'd say "Orthodox" if you were, but since you only indicate "Christian", I'm guessing not.  In which case, I really shouldn't discuss this with you.  We don't discuss the mysteries with those outside our fellowship.   

My use of qualifiers is not sophistry.  It's not a matter of "You can't be a little pregnant or a little dead", no matter how much you want it to be.  It's a matter of knowing what I'm talking about.  It's not my Church, I didn't make it this way.  The Church gives me services and tells me to worship, and I do.  She tells me they mean what they intend to do, and I believe her.  Her bishops interpret the canons, and I accept their authority.  I'm sorry if that's not good enough for you.  If you want, go make your own Church. 
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« Reply #16909 on: July 27, 2013, 12:44:57 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
I think the cute is more directed at your attempts to discredit catechumens as being a part of the Orthodox Church rather than against the sacraments.  Regardless, I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable.  If your priest, bishop or metropolitan would like to request that I cease from doing so, please have them contact me and I would be glad to discuss it with them.
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« Reply #16910 on: July 27, 2013, 12:45:21 AM »
Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.

Are you even Orthodox?  Given your strong feelings on the matter, I imagine you'd say "Orthodox" if you were, but since you only indicate "Christian", I'm guessing not.  In which case, I really shouldn't discuss this with you.  We don't discuss the mysteries with those outside our fellowship.

And yet you keep posting. That's odd.

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My use of qualifiers is not sophistry.  It's not a matter of "You can't be a little pregnant or a little dead", no matter how much you want it to be.  It's a matter of knowing what I'm talking about.  It's not my Church, I didn't make it this way.  The Church gives me services and tells me to worship, and I do.  She tells me they mean what they intend to do, and I believe her.  Her bishops interpret the canons, and I accept their authority.  I'm sorry if that's not good enough for you.  If you want, go make your own Church. 

I don't have to make my own church, because the one I'm going to convert to does not consider its catechumens to be members. And you did not provide a shred of evidence to the contrary in your three paragraphs earlier.
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« Reply #16911 on: July 27, 2013, 12:53:34 AM »
If a catechumen dies before being baptized they are given an Orthodox funeral.  I personally think that is proof enough.  Of course I have a feeling that William will disagree. 
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« Reply #16912 on: July 27, 2013, 12:54:44 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
I think the cute is more directed at your attempts to discredit catechumens as being a part of the Orthodox Church rather than against the sacraments.  Regardless, I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable.  If your priest, bishop or metropolitan would like to request that I cease from doing so, please have them contact me and I would be glad to discuss it with them.

So you're a member of the Orthodox church and can self-identify as "Orthodox" without any qualification, but it is okay to commune in another church because you have not been chrismated? So chrismation is entry into the church except when it isn't?
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« Reply #16913 on: July 27, 2013, 12:55:08 AM »
I have no dog in this fight, but I like the Before Christ too. Christ is the very center of human history and the most dominant. Who knew a peniless preacher from Nazareth could be so influential, must be divine intervention...
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« Reply #16914 on: July 27, 2013, 12:55:37 AM »
If a catechumen dies before being baptized they are given an Orthodox funeral.  I personally think that is proof enough.  Of course I have a feeling that William will disagree. 

Well Ionnis I'm not qualified to speak on that theologically, but isn't their death what the Fathers called the baptism of desire?
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« Reply #16915 on: July 27, 2013, 12:57:50 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
I think the cute is more directed at your attempts to discredit catechumens as being a part of the Orthodox Church rather than against the sacraments.  Regardless, I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable.  If your priest, bishop or metropolitan would like to request that I cease from doing so, please have them contact me and I would be glad to discuss it with them.

So you're a member of the Orthodox church and can self-identify as "Orthodox" without any qualification, but it is okay to commune in another church because you have not been chrismated? So chrismation is entry into the church except when it isn't?
Would you like to be my spiritual father, William?  You certainly seem well equipped to counsel and guide me in the path that I should go...

Re: your comment. Being a catechumen IS a qualification.  My wife can't call herself Orthodox because she isn't a catechumen.
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« Reply #16916 on: July 27, 2013, 12:59:56 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
I think the cute is more directed at your attempts to discredit catechumens as being a part of the Orthodox Church rather than against the sacraments.  Regardless, I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable.  If your priest, bishop or metropolitan would like to request that I cease from doing so, please have them contact me and I would be glad to discuss it with them.

So you're a member of the Orthodox church and can self-identify as "Orthodox" without any qualification, but it is okay to commune in another church because you have not been chrismated? So chrismation is entry into the church except when it isn't?
Would you like to be my spiritual father, William?  You certainly seem well equipped to counsel and guide me in the path that I should go...

Re: your comment. Being a catechumen IS a qualification.  My wife can't call herself Orthodox because she isn't a catechumen.

Sorry, my spiritual children are already too numerous. A shepherd can only tend to so many sheep, and the young JamesR needs my utmost care.

You said "I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable." You did not mention qualifiers.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16917 on: July 27, 2013, 01:01:36 AM »
What's your reason for holding to the idea that catechumens are not members of the Church?    

Baptism and the Eucharist.

That's cute, but no; perhaps you'd prefer to explain yourself a bit more. 

I never said they were "full" members, but they're not visitors either, they're definitely members.  Read the rite for making a catechumen.  The prayer and the ritual are clearly claiming the catechumen for the Church, even if their membership is not full until consummated in the laver and at the altar.   

Having a proper regard for how the sacraments affect one's ecclesiological standing is "cute"?

Your use of qualifiers is a red herring. If they aren't "full members" they are not members, sophistry aside.
I think the cute is more directed at your attempts to discredit catechumens as being a part of the Orthodox Church rather than against the sacraments.  Regardless, I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable.  If your priest, bishop or metropolitan would like to request that I cease from doing so, please have them contact me and I would be glad to discuss it with them.

So you're a member of the Orthodox church and can self-identify as "Orthodox" without any qualification, but it is okay to commune in another church because you have not been chrismated? So chrismation is entry into the church except when it isn't?
Would you like to be my spiritual father, William?  You certainly seem well equipped to counsel and guide me in the path that I should go...

Re: your comment. Being a catechumen IS a qualification.  My wife can't call herself Orthodox because she isn't a catechumen.

Sorry, my spiritual children are already too numerous. A shepherd can only tend to so many sheep, and the young JamesR needs my utmost care.

You said "I have even asked several different priests if it is appropriate for a catechumen to call themselves Orthodox and I was advised that it is acceptable." You did not mention qualifiers.
Qualifier.
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16918 on: July 27, 2013, 01:02:09 AM »
And yet you keep posting. That's odd.

How original.  You must be very proud of yourself.    

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I don't have to make my own church, because the one I'm going to convert to does not consider its catechumens to be members. And you did not provide a shred of evidence to the contrary in your three paragraphs earlier.

Because the four words "Baptism and the Eucharist" were a stunning refutation of my argument?  Maybe you enjoy fantasy literature too.  

At any rate, I did tell you I've spoken to bishops on the matter.  I'm not going to provide you with a notarised transcript, but you're welcome to ask around yourself and let me know if you come up with something different.  If you want to know more about funeral rites and how they were treated by the Church (and thus how catechumens would get one but you wouldn't), PM me and I'll tell you how to get a hold of my thesis.  And I referred you to the rite for making a catechumen, asking you to pay attention both to the words of the prayer and the attendant ritual.  If multi-tasking is difficult for you, then I'm sorry, but I'm not here to spoon-feed you needed correction.    

Anyway, good luck in your conversion process.    
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Re: Random Postings
« Reply #16919 on: July 27, 2013, 01:04:15 AM »
That's funny.  Now I'll have to figure out something else to read if that doesn't work out...

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