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« Reply #15885 on: June 06, 2013, 02:35:52 PM »

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.
Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.

Most of the people are wrong about everything anyway. Cheesy
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« Reply #15886 on: June 06, 2013, 02:37:43 PM »

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.
Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.

Most of the people are wrong about everything anyway. Cheesy

Where's that one poster who is always posting those weird quizes in an attempt to disparage so-called "modern art" and the like?
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« Reply #15887 on: June 06, 2013, 02:43:26 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.
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« Reply #15888 on: June 06, 2013, 02:53:07 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 Roll Eyes  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.
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« Reply #15889 on: June 06, 2013, 04:16:21 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 Roll Eyes  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

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« Reply #15890 on: June 06, 2013, 04:23:15 PM »

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?
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« Reply #15891 on: June 06, 2013, 04:31:53 PM »

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?

You have those? We only have white clowns with red noses.

Our clown population is very homogeneous.
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« Reply #15892 on: June 06, 2013, 04:39:34 PM »

Cutting up and taing the carpet out of a 2 bedroom apt and still manage to write here
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« Reply #15893 on: June 06, 2013, 04:46:07 PM »

This is getting way to serious for random postings.

So, what does everyone think of purple clowns with green noses?

Hey, nobody said random couldn't be serious. Wink

The first thing that came to my mind I read "purple clowns with green noses" was....."don't feed the narcissist."  Grin Grin
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« Reply #15894 on: June 06, 2013, 06:48:51 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 Roll Eyes  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.
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i dont know why you all insult him, i think hes one of the nicest people around and doesnt make a point to rub his genius in yo face.

maybe i have too thick skin, but his disparaging remarks to me over the years has been more than helpful. rather get blunt honestly than nice lying.
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« Reply #15895 on: June 06, 2013, 06:56:30 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 Roll Eyes  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.
orthonorm is a lot of things, but a narcissist? good lord no, roflllllll

i dont know why you all insult him, i think hes one of the nicest people around and doesnt make a point to rub his genius in yo face.

maybe i have too thick skin, but his disparaging remarks to me over the years has been more than helpful. rather get blunt honestly than nice lying.

Well to paraphrase your sig line:
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« Reply #15896 on: June 06, 2013, 06:57:57 PM »

i think he already has that. its called deafening silence.
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« Reply #15897 on: June 06, 2013, 07:04:21 PM »

i think he already has that. its called deafening silence.
Perhaps it should be used more often.  Wink
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« Reply #15898 on: June 06, 2013, 07:18:13 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Google it? Dude, I've read it in a relatively critical fashion along with pretty much everything who was screaming into a microphone around that time about modern decadence as well.

If you are incapable of being able to do more than give quotes of Hitler criticizing "artistic movements" (an entire modern notion) rather than have an interest in understanding how in fact, Hitler in that very act was engaging in modernity and that the entire Nazi apparatus was fashioned out of modernity and served only to further it, which often calls for a reactionary screed against modernity to do so.

Trivia is trivia.

Again, show me how you read and I'll tell you who are, to quote one of my favorite sometime Nazi sometime reactionary thinker.

 Roll Eyes  While I grovel at your enormous intellect and knowledge on every conceivable topic, none of that has anything to do with my offhand comment that the only thing I agree with Hitler on is his distate for modern art.  I made no comment on the Nazi approach to modernism in general, the facisist philosophy on modern decadence or any other such drivel.  If I wanted to have a conversation on those, I would have pushed NEW TOPIC and typed: "Hey everyone, what do you think about the Nazi's approach to modernism in the years leading up to WWII.  Do you think that Hitler's reaction to modern art was, in effect, a preview of more modernist thinking and actually shaped the post war years in ways that we could not have anticipated given the nationalistic tendencies that prevailed in pre-war Europe?"  I would have then labeled the topic "Nazism and Modernism" and put it in the politics forum.

Don't feed the narcissist.

I am quoting you Jonathan, just cause to keep the gratuitous insults going against. It's awesome how you all do.

Anyhoo, Tri, I really don't care what people might think in a poll about what Hitler liked and what he didn't. But since you like trivia, so be it. Here is an obvious one:



Do you think Hitler approved or enjoyed such artistic demonstrations?

How would you describe in a general aesthetic sense these parades?

We can watch The Triumph of the Will later and discuss where exactly it fits in aesthetically.

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« Reply #15899 on: June 06, 2013, 07:34:57 PM »

Here is a speech from the Hitler. (youtube might warn you that it is offensive)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhdX1SI3KY&bpctr=1370563202

How do you describe the editing of this speech and how it is related to the content? Are you familiar with how such programs were edited at this time for such events? How would you describe Hitler's famous haircut and mustache, especially in light of certain fashion trends within women's fashion during the Weimar Republic which I think we both can agree casts an enormous shadow over the Nazi project.

What about his delivery of his speech? What "art form" does such expressive gesticulation remind you? Have you seen the Great Dictator? Hitler did as we are told, just as we are told we was an enormous Chaplin fan even though he thought Chaplin was a Jew. We certainly have to admit what sorta milieu belongs to. Have you seen Modern Times?

I wouldn't argue that simply modernism and such were some forces which shaped Hitler's actions and those of the Nazis (although it much more interesting this sorta kaffee klatch talk), I'll further and take your modernist stance and speak to the Hitler's opinion on art and the aesthetic. He was a modernist and lover of it par excellence.

In what sorta conception of "art" do it become so radically politicized in the pedestrian sense as to be something to be fought via art itself?

What's the first word which lends its first letter to Nazi? Under what conditions does such a thing become made the center of some enormous project to restore?

I have to figure out how to make a TV signal enter my house. And how I am going to become mayor of my own place again.
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« Reply #15900 on: June 06, 2013, 07:37:27 PM »

Oh one last note, no matter what Hitler said, he didn't quite love so much what he claimed to. Read up on his actual listening habits as we understand them. He taste in theater, film, etc.

That Hitler lied I am sure is gonna disappoint.
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« Reply #15901 on: June 06, 2013, 07:37:45 PM »

Back to randomosity.
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« Reply #15902 on: June 06, 2013, 07:38:51 PM »

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And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  Tongue

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.
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« Reply #15903 on: June 06, 2013, 07:40:56 PM »

what are your favorite books orthonorm
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« Reply #15904 on: June 06, 2013, 07:50:54 PM »

I will repost my original statement.

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And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  Tongue

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.

Dude, see above.
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« Reply #15905 on: June 06, 2013, 07:57:56 PM »

I will repost my original statement.

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I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on.  Tongue

When you explain to me how your latest post relates in the slightest to what I said, then we can discuss the aesthetics of Nazi parades.

If you disagree with my statement that Hitler disliked modern art, at least, for pete's sakes, take a position and make it.  I feel like I am saying the sky is blue and you are disputing that by arguing vociferously that cows give milk.

Dude, see above.

...and that post still doesn't answer what I said.  Just because he employed modern videography, speech techniques, hair styles and whatever else you would like to ramble on about, it still has nothing to do with his taste in art... Dude.
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« Reply #15906 on: June 06, 2013, 09:06:57 PM »

how it should be done:

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« Reply #15907 on: June 06, 2013, 09:08:54 PM »

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.
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« Reply #15908 on: June 06, 2013, 09:12:21 PM »

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

your thoughts on this please
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« Reply #15909 on: June 07, 2013, 12:51:48 AM »

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?
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« Reply #15910 on: June 07, 2013, 01:40:44 AM »

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?

No, not really!  laugh

Augustin posts some pictures here of what is perhaps the better side of it. But some rural areas become increasingly depopulated and can look pretty desolate.   
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« Reply #15911 on: June 07, 2013, 01:46:15 AM »

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.
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« Reply #15912 on: June 07, 2013, 01:49:00 AM »

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

No. It's about Hong Kong coming under Chinese rule in 1997.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15913 on: June 07, 2013, 03:47:37 AM »

hey romaios.

is it totally possibly that the prophecy of the destruction of tyre is actually pointing towards the destruction of porphyry's kata christianon (since he was from tyre)

your thoughts on this please

Kata Christianon was tl;dr anyway. Good thing it was burned.
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« Reply #15914 on: June 07, 2013, 04:17:34 AM »

what is this thread for, it is almost impossibel to click "Reply" all the pages screw up the buttons!
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« Reply #15915 on: June 07, 2013, 06:51:38 AM »

Yeah, we posted so much that it has upset the forum.
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« Reply #15916 on: June 07, 2013, 10:32:10 AM »

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.
And what if Germany had won WW1?
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« Reply #15917 on: June 08, 2013, 09:54:40 AM »

30 bottles of beer on the wall,
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« Reply #15918 on: June 08, 2013, 10:05:10 AM »

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.
And what if Germany had won WW1?

A much less interesting novel than Man in the High Castle.
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« Reply #15919 on: June 08, 2013, 10:06:56 AM »

If Germany won World War II, we'd have BMW/Volkswagen space ships with colonies on the moon and 300 year life spans. Such a shame that the most advanced nation in history was so crazy and evil.

The Germans would probably get rid of you because you're not "arian".
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« Reply #15920 on: June 08, 2013, 10:33:32 AM »

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?

whats with the justice scales as your avatar?
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« Reply #15921 on: June 08, 2013, 10:43:21 AM »

tooday i briefly checked a romanian orthodox website "razboi intru cuvant" ("war in the word" ) which i maybe do every 2 or 3 months. my god, i think its both funny and depressing. but, i don't think it represents more than a tiny number of hardcore activists. according to what i saw romania is gonna soon be taken over by a homosexual cabal. that's when it's not the jews doing it.

I've been meaning to ask you and Romaios. Is Romania all dark and mist-filled and home to werewolves and such like in the movies?

whats with the justice scales as your avatar?

What do you think?
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« Reply #15922 on: June 08, 2013, 10:48:51 AM »

I like my avatar too much to change it.
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« Reply #15923 on: June 08, 2013, 01:10:15 PM »

you know I've tried every levi jeans, 505, 569, 513, 514, etc.

but I always was resistant to 501 because ya know "middle aged balding male" has sort of been attached to it for a long time with that stonewashed look.

but I think it may be the best fitting jean for me.

i just hate the way it feels
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« Reply #15924 on: June 08, 2013, 01:51:04 PM »

Is fish oil lenten?
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« Reply #15925 on: June 08, 2013, 01:59:44 PM »

Is fish oil lenten?
you have beaten this joke into the ground now
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« Reply #15926 on: June 08, 2013, 02:09:44 PM »

I should be doing something but I'm staring paralysed at my computer screen. Even typing seems tiresome.
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« Reply #15927 on: June 08, 2013, 02:11:22 PM »

Is should be doing something but I'm staring paralysed at my computer screen. Even typing seems tiresome.
yeah im sort of bored at the moment.

but i am having the most difficult time adjusting to my new location and job and everything really.
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« Reply #15928 on: June 08, 2013, 02:17:39 PM »

Is fish oil lenten?
you have beaten this joke into the ground now

I wouldn't have to keep repeating the same joke if my parents had fed me more fish oil as a child.
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« Reply #15929 on: June 08, 2013, 02:33:22 PM »

I should probably translate some Greek to stay in shape but I don't know what to translate.
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