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« Reply #15840 on: June 05, 2013, 03:48:33 PM »

Go on, then...prove orthonorm right.  Roll Eyes

Nay, I'd rather cut off my right hand.

That'll only cure the symptom, not the disease.  Grin
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« Reply #15841 on: June 05, 2013, 03:54:21 PM »

I start my new job on Monday. Thanks be to God.  angel
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« Reply #15842 on: June 05, 2013, 03:56:31 PM »

I start my new job on Monday.

Me too  angel
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« Reply #15843 on: June 05, 2013, 03:58:13 PM »

I start my new job on Monday. Thanks be to God.  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?
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« Reply #15844 on: June 05, 2013, 03:59:05 PM »

I start my new job on Monday.

Me too  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?
(I'm getting deja vu all over again.)
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« Reply #15845 on: June 05, 2013, 04:01:34 PM »

I start my new job on Monday.

Me too  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?
(I'm getting deja vu all over again.)

Mixing drinks in a bar.
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« Reply #15846 on: June 05, 2013, 04:06:14 PM »

I start my new job on Monday.

Me too  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?
(I'm getting deja vu all over again.)

Mixing drinks in a bar.

Excellent!  A mixologist!  


(But, shouldn't you have been cured first?  You know, of that nasty little bug that........ Grin)
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« Reply #15847 on: June 05, 2013, 04:14:00 PM »

You're getting as cryptic as Orthonorm. What is that bug you talk about?  Grin
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« Reply #15848 on: June 05, 2013, 04:20:58 PM »

A)You're getting as cryptic as Orthonorm.

B)What is that bug you talk about?  Grin

A) Impossible.  Not even close.  I'm not nearly as intelligent(?) as he is so as to be that cryptic.  Carry on like that and you will insult him.  The results will be a unpleasant as that bug you got.................

B) Shhhh..... Cool
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« Reply #15849 on: June 05, 2013, 06:05:12 PM »

I have no idea what J Michael is going on about, but I will pretend that I do and insert a random emoticon.  angel
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« Reply #15850 on: June 05, 2013, 06:45:59 PM »

I start my new job on Monday. Thanks be to God.  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?

Thank you. I'll be a mortgage clerk for a bank. Smiley
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« Reply #15851 on: June 05, 2013, 07:05:22 PM »

I start my new job on Monday. Thanks be to God.  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?

Thank you. I'll be a mortgage clerk for a bank. Smiley

Yay!  Congratulations!!  Smiley
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« Reply #15852 on: June 05, 2013, 07:05:49 PM »

I have no idea what J Michael is going on about, but I will pretend that I do and insert a random emoticon.  angel

Don't worry, you're not the only one--I'm not sure I do, either  Grin.  Random thoughts + boredom > random postings on oc.nyet.  I really like Cyrillic (not just the alphabet, either) and am welcoming him back (poor lad) in my own very quirky manner.
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« Reply #15853 on: June 06, 2013, 01:46:02 AM »

I start my new job on Monday. Thanks be to God.  angel

Mazal tov!

What will you be doing?

Thank you. I'll be a mortgage clerk for a bank. Smiley

Yay!  Congratulations!!  Smiley

Thank you. Smiley
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« Reply #15854 on: June 06, 2013, 05:54:12 AM »

A song, a scent, a feeling, a flavor… the narcotics of nostalgia.


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« Reply #15855 on: June 06, 2013, 06:05:11 AM »

Man with my data service all whacked on my phone, I'm never gonna get to be become mayor of my own apartment. I am going to have to take a month off work so I can knock down the wily crack addict upstart who is campaigning constantly outside.

It's like being on the pipe is becoming a prerequisite to be mayor of everything now.
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« Reply #15856 on: June 06, 2013, 06:19:32 AM »

Man with my data service all whacked on my phone, I'm never gonna get to be become mayor of my own apartment. I am going to have to take a month off work so I can knock down the wily crack addict upstart who is campaigning constantly outside.

It's like being on the pipe is becoming a prerequisite to be mayor of everything now.

What do you think fuels these politricksters' energy and insanity? I think most people would be surprised to find out how many public officials are supplicating Scotty on a regular basis. If all were to be revealed, it would make the PED issue in sports look like child's play.


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« Reply #15857 on: June 06, 2013, 06:33:28 AM »

I am going to have to take a month off work so I can knock down the wily crack addict upstart who is campaigning constantly outside.

Why? In America you can buy a gun at every corner of the street, or so I heard. It shouldn't take too long to get rid of him.
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« Reply #15858 on: June 06, 2013, 06:48:04 AM »

Man with my data service all whacked on my phone, I'm never gonna get to be become mayor of my own apartment. I am going to have to take a month off work so I can knock down the wily crack addict upstart who is campaigning constantly outside.

It's like being on the pipe is becoming a prerequisite to be mayor of everything now.

What do you think fuels these politricksters' energy and insanity? I think most people would be surprised to find out how many public officials are supplicating Scotty on a regular basis. If all were to be revealed, it would make the PED issue in sports look like child's play.


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« Reply #15859 on: June 06, 2013, 07:14:22 AM »

Man with my data service all whacked on my phone, I'm never gonna get to be become mayor of my own apartment. I am going to have to take a month off work so I can knock down the wily crack addict upstart who is campaigning constantly outside.

It's like being on the pipe is becoming a prerequisite to be mayor of everything now.

What do you think fuels these politricksters' energy and insanity? I think most people would be surprised to find out how many public officials are supplicating Scotty on a regular basis. If all were to be revealed, it would make the PED issue in sports look like child's play.


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You ain't old school bro. Technology can never interfere with real Foursquare.  Wink




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« Reply #15860 on: June 06, 2013, 01:09:19 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)
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« Reply #15861 on: June 06, 2013, 01:11:03 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
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« Reply #15862 on: June 06, 2013, 01:17:37 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.
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« Reply #15863 on: June 06, 2013, 01:19:46 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.

I like some kinds of modern art, but others, I just find uninteresting.
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« Reply #15864 on: June 06, 2013, 01:21:12 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.
I hereby anathemize you.

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« Reply #15865 on: June 06, 2013, 01:21:53 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.

I like some kinds of modern art, but others, I just find uninteresting.


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« Reply #15866 on: June 06, 2013, 01:25:58 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.
I hereby anathemize you.

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Your anathema has the force of the Pope of Rome anathemizing me, which is to say, none at all.
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« Reply #15867 on: June 06, 2013, 01:27:30 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad
Modern art is, in my personal opinion, the greatest time period of art that has ever happened, with Impressionism and Cubism being personal favourites.
I hereby anathemize you.

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Remember, he is from Buffalo  Grin.
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« Reply #15868 on: June 06, 2013, 01:29:12 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue
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« Reply #15869 on: June 06, 2013, 01:30:23 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

Good thing this isn't the politics forum  laugh laugh laugh laugh.
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« Reply #15870 on: June 06, 2013, 01:54:57 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

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I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.
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« Reply #15871 on: June 06, 2013, 01:58:55 PM »

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. Not that I'd know anything from Modern Art but different styles cannot be lumped together like that.
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« Reply #15872 on: June 06, 2013, 02:00:15 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.

Here is a quote of his.  You can read expanded sections of the speech here: http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/Expressionism/Readings/HitlerGrmnArt.pdf

Art, on the one hand, was defined as nothing but an international communal experience,
thus killing altogether any understanding of its integral relationship with an ethnic group. On the
other hand its relationship to time w as stressed, that is: There was no longer any art of peoples
or even of races, but only an art of the times. [...]
According to such a theory, as a matter of fact, art and art activities are lumped together
with the handiwork of our modern tailor shops and fashion industries. And to be sure, following
the maxim: Every year something new. One day Impressionism, then Futurism, Cubism, maybe
even Dadaism, etc. A further result is that even for the most insane and inane monstrosities
thousands of catchwords to label them will have to be found, and have indeed been found. If it
weren”t so sad in one sense, it would almost be a lot of fun to list all the slogans and clichés with
which the so-called “art initiates” have described and explained their wretched products in recent
years....
Until the moment when National-Socialism took power, there existed in Germany a socalled
“modern art,” that is, to be sure, almost every year another one, as the very meaning of
this word indicates. National-Socialist Germany, however, wants again a “German Art,” and this
art shall and will be of eternal value, as are all truly creative values of a people. Should this art,
however, again lack this eternal value for our people, then indeed it will mean that it also has no
higher value today.
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« Reply #15873 on: June 06, 2013, 02:01:16 PM »

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. Not that I'd know anything from Modern Art but different styles cannot be lumped together like that.

Alpo, few humans I've met ought to ever attempt to use the word art much less when they tack on the slightly less loaded term modern.
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« Reply #15874 on: June 06, 2013, 02:02:19 PM »

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. Not that I'd know anything from Modern Art but different styles cannot be lumped together like that.

 Roll Eyes  I didn't say they were similar to each other.  I said anything similar to those different styles.  If you want me to list all 100 some odd art styles that have come out in the last 100 years, I can surely go wikipedia it, but those are the ones that come to mind.
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« Reply #15875 on: June 06, 2013, 02:04:48 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.

Here is a quote of his.  You can read expanded sections of the speech here: http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/Expressionism/Readings/HitlerGrmnArt.pdf

Art, on the one hand, was defined as nothing but an international communal experience,
thus killing altogether any understanding of its integral relationship with an ethnic group. On the
other hand its relationship to time w as stressed, that is: There was no longer any art of peoples
or even of races, but only an art of the times. [...]
According to such a theory, as a matter of fact, art and art activities are lumped together
with the handiwork of our modern tailor shops and fashion industries. And to be sure, following
the maxim: Every year something new. One day Impressionism, then Futurism, Cubism, maybe
even Dadaism, etc. A further result is that even for the most insane and inane monstrosities
thousands of catchwords to label them will have to be found, and have indeed been found. If it
weren”t so sad in one sense, it would almost be a lot of fun to list all the slogans and clichés with
which the so-called “art initiates” have described and explained their wretched products in recent
years....
Until the moment when National-Socialism took power, there existed in Germany a socalled
“modern art,” that is, to be sure, almost every year another one, as the very meaning of
this word indicates. National-Socialist Germany, however, wants again a “German Art,” and this
art shall and will be of eternal value, as are all truly creative values of a people. Should this art,
however, again lack this eternal value for our people, then indeed it will mean that it also has no
higher value today.

Uhhhh . . . you post this as if I wasn't subject to reading unfortunately nearly every word written on the state of aesthetics in the German Speaking World from around the Weimar Republic until 1960. Then there was all the all the other less specifically directed reading around aesthetics.

So, how is the above not modernity and the modern par excellence?
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« Reply #15876 on: June 06, 2013, 02:05:20 PM »

As far as I can tell, what is normally referred to as modern art is constituted by several movements, such as surrealism, expressionism, realism, minimalism and futurism.
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« Reply #15877 on: June 06, 2013, 02:07:59 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.

Here is a quote of his.  You can read expanded sections of the speech here: http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/Expressionism/Readings/HitlerGrmnArt.pdf

Art, on the one hand, was defined as nothing but an international communal experience,
thus killing altogether any understanding of its integral relationship with an ethnic group. On the
other hand its relationship to time w as stressed, that is: There was no longer any art of peoples
or even of races, but only an art of the times. [...]
According to such a theory, as a matter of fact, art and art activities are lumped together
with the handiwork of our modern tailor shops and fashion industries. And to be sure, following
the maxim: Every year something new. One day Impressionism, then Futurism, Cubism, maybe
even Dadaism, etc.
A further result is that even for the most insane and inane monstrosities
thousands of catchwords to label them will have to be found, and have indeed been found. If it
weren”t so sad in one sense, it would almost be a lot of fun to list all the slogans and clichés with
which the so-called “art initiates” have described and explained their wretched products in recent
years....
Until the moment when National-Socialism took power, there existed in Germany a socalled
“modern art,” that is, to be sure, almost every year another one, as the very meaning of
this word indicates. National-Socialist Germany, however, wants again a “German Art,” and this
art shall and will be of eternal value, as are all truly creative values of a people. Should this art,
however, again lack this eternal value for our people, then indeed it will mean that it also has no
higher value today.

Uhhhh . . . you post this as if I wasn't subject to reading unfortunately nearly every word written on the state of aesthetics in the German Speaking World from around the Weimar Republic until 1960. Then there was all the all the other less specifically directed reading around aesthetics.

So, how is the above not modernity and the modern par excellence?

Probably the part where HE NAMES THEM
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« Reply #15878 on: June 06, 2013, 02:09:21 PM »

As far as I can tell, what is normally referred to as modern art is constituted by several movements, such as surrealism, expressionism, realism, minimalism and futurism.

These are "art historical" ways of cataloging objects. Much like all the discussion around about icons, you (the general you) are going to have to get away from the curator's understanding and move into another field in order to say something of substance on such matters.

And that means giving an account of art and the modern.

Or people can just talk about what they "like", which is an entirely modern way of appropriating the aesthetic.
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« Reply #15879 on: June 06, 2013, 02:09:50 PM »

At what point does modern art stop being modern?
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« Reply #15880 on: June 06, 2013, 02:10:13 PM »

I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

So basically you don't know what you're talking about. Not that I'd know anything from Modern Art but different styles cannot be lumped together like that.

 Roll Eyes  I didn't say they were similar to each other.  I said anything similar to those different styles.  If you want me to list all 100 some odd art styles that have come out in the last 100 years, I can surely go wikipedia it, but those are the ones that come to mind.

You missed the point. Saying "Modern Art = Yuck" is basically like saying "ethnic food = yuck" and then "I classify ethnic food as anything similar to Canadian, Moroccon, Norwegian, Chinese, etc."

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« Reply #15881 on: June 06, 2013, 02:10:36 PM »

Just found out i get into the Museum of Modern Art for free, because i go to a SUNY school :-)

Modern Art = yuck  Sad

What do you mean by Modern Art?


I classify Modern Art as anything similar to cubism, surrealism, expressionism, futurism, abstract, etc.

And objectively speaking, it is terrible. It is the one thing I agree with Hitler on. Tongue

You sure Hitler believed that?

One could argue that modernism from fashion, to architecture, to graphic design, to technological appropriation, to socio-political understanding of the family, to military science, to rhetoric, to, to and certainly film, the Nazis were not only the product of modernism and modernity but furthered both quite extensively.

Here is a quote of his.  You can read expanded sections of the speech here: http://www.mariabuszek.com/kcai/Expressionism/Readings/HitlerGrmnArt.pdf

Art, on the one hand, was defined as nothing but an international communal experience,
thus killing altogether any understanding of its integral relationship with an ethnic group. On the
other hand its relationship to time w as stressed, that is: There was no longer any art of peoples
or even of races, but only an art of the times. [...]
According to such a theory, as a matter of fact, art and art activities are lumped together
with the handiwork of our modern tailor shops and fashion industries. And to be sure, following
the maxim: Every year something new. One day Impressionism, then Futurism, Cubism, maybe
even Dadaism, etc.
A further result is that even for the most insane and inane monstrosities
thousands of catchwords to label them will have to be found, and have indeed been found. If it
weren”t so sad in one sense, it would almost be a lot of fun to list all the slogans and clichés with
which the so-called “art initiates” have described and explained their wretched products in recent
years....
Until the moment when National-Socialism took power, there existed in Germany a socalled
“modern art,” that is, to be sure, almost every year another one, as the very meaning of
this word indicates. National-Socialist Germany, however, wants again a “German Art,” and this
art shall and will be of eternal value, as are all truly creative values of a people. Should this art,
however, again lack this eternal value for our people, then indeed it will mean that it also has no
higher value today.

Uhhhh . . . you post this as if I wasn't subject to reading unfortunately nearly every word written on the state of aesthetics in the German Speaking World from around the Weimar Republic until 1960. Then there was all the all the other less specifically directed reading around aesthetics.

So, how is the above not modernity and the modern par excellence?

Probably the part where HE NAMES THEM

Names what? In light of what does "art" begin to able to be placed into such orders?
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« Reply #15882 on: June 06, 2013, 02:21:47 PM »

Orthonorm: I have zero interest in spending any more time explaining to you that Hitler did not like modern art.  If you can't be bothered to google it and see the bounty of evidence about it, neither can I.

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.
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« Reply #15883 on: June 06, 2013, 02:29:13 PM »

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.
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« Reply #15884 on: June 06, 2013, 02:33:31 PM »

Alpo:  Your analogy fails.  By saying ethnic food, you mean anything outside of American food which is almost all food.  By me saying modern art, I am refering to a subset of art that was created within the last 100-150 years.  It is a much smaller subset similar to me saying fast food = yuck and by fast food, I mean hamburgers, fries and coke.

It didn't really fail since you understood my point. Modern Art might be smaller subset but large enoug to make sweeping statements like "Modern Art = Yuck" really quite nonsensical.
Since you insist on being argumentative, go take 50 pictures from different art eras and ask anyone on the street.  Very few people are going to have difficult in labeling which ones are "modern art".  They may be confused on Impressionism, but the styles I named would not be confused by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of art.
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