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« Reply #15120 on: April 07, 2013, 10:46:42 PM »

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Ever tried Canadian-style five pin bowling?

No. I have tried candlepin bowling, which I really liked, and played when I went on vacation to Massachusetts.
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« Reply #15121 on: April 09, 2013, 02:01:05 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.
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« Reply #15122 on: April 09, 2013, 02:08:17 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
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« Reply #15123 on: April 09, 2013, 02:13:37 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.

Unprofessional yes, but maybe he is curious as well? Would you care to tell us how the conversation went on?
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« Reply #15124 on: April 09, 2013, 02:18:47 PM »

We were talking about some of the books we were reading. He was reading Venerable Bede and I was reading St. Clement of Alexandria. Then he said he was going to a big icon exposition in a museum. I said I knew about that one and that I was going too. That's it.
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« Reply #15125 on: April 09, 2013, 02:28:26 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
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« Reply #15126 on: April 09, 2013, 02:29:22 PM »

We were talking about some of the books we were reading. He was reading Venerable Bede and I was reading St. Clement of Alexandria. Then he said he was going to a big icon exposition in a museum. I said I knew about that one and that I was going too. That's it.

Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. Wink
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« Reply #15127 on: April 09, 2013, 02:30:40 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
It's personal and private information that should not be discussed at work or in school unless both parties mutually agree to it...that is my understanding...
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« Reply #15128 on: April 09, 2013, 02:32:21 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
It's personal and private information that should not be discussed at work or in school unless both parties mutually agree to it...that is my understanding...
Did either say they didn't want to talk about it?  Are instructors not supposed to take an interest in their students?  Or is this just the standard response these days?
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« Reply #15129 on: April 09, 2013, 02:32:44 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
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Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
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« Reply #15130 on: April 09, 2013, 02:39:48 PM »

Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. Wink

No, he didn't. But it's okay, he's my favorite teacher. And yes, perhaps he'll look into Orthodoxy  angel
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« Reply #15131 on: April 09, 2013, 02:40:49 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.

That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
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« Reply #15132 on: April 09, 2013, 02:56:10 PM »

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That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
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« Reply #15133 on: April 09, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.

Actually, I'm legally adult.
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« Reply #15134 on: April 09, 2013, 03:05:22 PM »

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.

Actually, I'm legally adult.

Did your professor know that?
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« Reply #15135 on: April 09, 2013, 03:07:40 PM »

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.

Actually, I'm legally adult.

Did your professor know that?

Yes. Everyone in my year is either 18 or almost eighteen.
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« Reply #15136 on: April 09, 2013, 03:17:31 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.
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« Reply #15137 on: April 09, 2013, 03:18:14 PM »

Hmm.  It is a big strange indeed.  Guess we will never know what was in his head...I mean the reason for bringing this up...I assume he already knew about your interest in Orthodoxy...Well I tend to think of such situations in following manner: you have unintentionally acted as a missionary by being a living example that anybody can be Orthodox...perhaps that might inspire him to looked into it even further. Wink

No, he didn't. But it's okay, he's my favorite teacher. And yes, perhaps he'll look into Orthodoxy  angel
Perhaps heft comfortable asking you since he knows and trusts you.
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« Reply #15138 on: April 09, 2013, 03:18:38 PM »

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.

Actually, I'm legally adult.

Did your professor know that?

Yes. Everyone in my year is either 18 or almost eighteen.

Ok, probably not the best example, but generally speaking, I think it's unwise for teachers to discuss religion with their students outside of the lecture environment.
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« Reply #15139 on: April 09, 2013, 03:19:54 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.

That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.
Agreed.  Professional is knowing where to draw the line and not allowing personal to alter professional.
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« Reply #15140 on: April 09, 2013, 03:22:35 PM »

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That seems a bit rigid to me. Can teachers and students never form friendships? I agree that one has to be careful, but I've had close friendships with many of my teachers, and I talked about my spiritual struggles with my PhD supervisor. People are not robots with neat mental compartments called "professional" and "personal"; your personal life does have an effect on your professional life.

For example, if you are going through personal troubles, for example, that can impinge on professional performance, and I would admire a supervisor who took that into account when evaluating your performance, rather than use it as a pretext to fire you.

I think what would be unprofessional is if your teacher went on to use your choice of religion to give you better or worse grades, regardless of how you performed in the subject. But taking a friendly interest is not a problem, IMHO.

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.
Or anything outside their specialize field within the context of the classroom.

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« Reply #15141 on: April 09, 2013, 03:22:43 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.

I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
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« Reply #15142 on: April 09, 2013, 03:24:06 PM »

I think College is a bad example here because that interaction is between two adults. In High School, the interaction is between a "Child" and an Adult acting In Loco Parentis, so the adult has to be more careful. IMO It is always better to err on the side of caution and not talk about religion in this case.

Actually, I'm legally adult.

Did your professor know that?
Not if he followed the separation mentality.  He wouldn't know anything but his work performance and last name.
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« Reply #15143 on: April 09, 2013, 03:26:20 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.

I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.
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« Reply #15144 on: April 09, 2013, 03:30:37 PM »

So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.

I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.

Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.

I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.

Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
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So I was eating pizza with my Classical Language teacher, talking about everyday things like Aristotelean logic and Venerable Bede. And suddenly, out of the blue he asks "Are you going to convert to Orthodox Christianity?" That was unexpected.

Is he Orthodox? Even then, that's kinda unprofessional for a teacher to inquire about the religion of his students.
Why? 
Because it has nothing to do with his profession.
And? Neither did "everyday things".  I find it more than slightly foolhardy to expect a teacher to have absolutely zero discussion with someone other than their specific field they teach.  If the teacher were argumentative, sure I get it, but just random discussion and folks reacting as if someone just offered their child a dirty drug needle is well...kind of dumb.  I had plenty of teachers who knew me on a personal level and it never intefered with their duties and never got out of hand with it.  They were in no way unprofessional.  Me thinks society needs to taps the breaks on the knee jerk reactionary offendedness.  If teachers can discuss politics with their students, which they do, then don't cherry pick. Especially if its just random conversation over pizza, or at a football game, or after school, or at the mall when you bump into one another, or...you get the picture.  Some of the best teachers I had were real people, not teaching robots.

I think it's better to err on the side of caution in most of these situations, especially in a litigious society such as ours.
If you mean to protect the teacher from legal action, sadly I understand.

Yes, like I said, I was advocating caution when discussing sensitive topics. The nothing to do with his profession thing was supposed to be a joke.
Ooooh... Embarrassed

I misunderstood.  My apologies!

No worries, it's not the first time there's been a misunderstanding on the internet. God knows I've had many myself.
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« Reply #15150 on: April 09, 2013, 07:49:59 PM »

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« Reply #15151 on: April 09, 2013, 09:18:15 PM »

I'm very happy to get some decent grilling whether. I made some really good marinated pork chops this evening.
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« Reply #15152 on: April 10, 2013, 04:48:27 PM »

I miss The Cosby Show.
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« Reply #15153 on: April 10, 2013, 05:04:35 PM »

I miss The Cosby Show.

Sometimes it's on cable. Depends on where you live. Also, Hulu.com runs TV shows online, maybe it's there? Smiley

And I'm pretty sure it's on DVD. Try eBay.  Smiley
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« Reply #15154 on: April 10, 2013, 05:34:29 PM »

I miss The Cosby Show.

Sometimes it's on cable. Depends on where you live. Also, Hulu.com runs TV shows online, maybe it's there? Smiley

And I'm pretty sure it's on DVD. Try eBay.  Smiley

I might try that.  Smiley
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« Reply #15155 on: April 10, 2013, 07:42:40 PM »

So I got into an argument with my teacher over Beowulf being based off of St. George the Dragon-slayer and she said that it's impossible because "St. George came later," until she finally looked it up and I proved her wrong Smiley
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« Reply #15156 on: April 10, 2013, 11:45:05 PM »

Built a mobile goat tractor today.  8x8x4.  Has tires in the back.  Pretty cool, we just move it around the pasture and the goats mow it down fully contained.  Simple to lift and makes feeding/protection much easier.  Smiley  Building one for the turkeys now.
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« Reply #15157 on: April 11, 2013, 01:06:58 AM »

I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm a big reptile and amphibian enthusiast. They are pretty much the only pets I could keep at an apartment complex, since they only need a glass tank to live in. I'm going to be purchasing two more crested geckos this weekend Smiley
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« Reply #15158 on: April 12, 2013, 03:19:31 PM »

I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...
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« Reply #15159 on: April 12, 2013, 03:30:31 PM »

I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...

How long have you studied greek, Cyrillic?
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« Reply #15160 on: April 12, 2013, 03:31:32 PM »

I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...

How long have you studied greek, Cyrillic?

This is the seventh year. Five years in school. Next year I'm going to study it alongside History. Still, any possible publication of my translation is at least months away, even if I would work on it again from today on. The translation has been collecting dust for a while and just recently I got new critical editions so I need to recheck what I have done on Justin Martyr anyway.
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« Reply #15161 on: April 12, 2013, 03:36:25 PM »

I have been thinking about finishing my translation of the Apostolic Fathers and Justin Martyr into Dutch, which would be their first translation into that language, but I'm so lazy. Perhaps in a few weeks...

How long have you studied greek, Cyrillic?

This is the seventh year. Five years in school. Next year I'm going to study it alongside History.

I wish languages came to me that easily. I have studied spanish for four years now and I still find it difficult.

Is greek obligatory in dutch schools or is it optional?
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« Reply #15162 on: April 12, 2013, 03:37:11 PM »

Is greek obligatory in dutch schools or is it optional?

Optional. Very few choose it.
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« Reply #15163 on: April 12, 2013, 03:46:20 PM »

Is greek obligatory in dutch schools or is it optional?

Optional. Very few choose it.

We only had a little latin and I have forgotten most of it.
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« Reply #15164 on: April 12, 2013, 05:41:02 PM »

This one time I spoke inane,for many days, pronouncing it in several ways.
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