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« Reply #13365 on: October 18, 2012, 09:46:50 PM »

At one time, mixed couples might have been more tolerated in Europe.

Mix of what? White girl and black guy? No one would bat an eyelid. Well-to-do Egyptian Christian with a white girl? Again, nothing. A Muslim man of Pakistani origin with white girl, however, would be controversial, and the objections to such a mixed relationship will often be far stronger on the Pakistani side. Actually, objection to mixed-race relationships is something often cited by islamophobic or anti-immigration groups as proof of the reluctance of Muslim minorities to integrate and their disdain for the existing population.

Prejudice depends on which minority you're talking about. Right now, Muslims are the untouchables, and I don't think you can say American attitudes to Islam are more positive than they are in Europe. The kind of stuff said regularly by American politicians on TV, apparently considered acceptable discourse, would cost you your job in most European countries.

Talk to the black guys I knew in German, France, Austria, and Belgium.

Talk to nearly all the women I spoke with about this from those countries and more about dating a black guy.

There is a "fetish" of sorts for it, especially among the more elder single white European women. They frequent clubs usually for people more than a few decades their younger and buy black men their drinks and what not before retiring with home with them.

That is about as close I ever saw to any of the black Europeans I knew getting accepted by the women where we went.

Again, in the more hyper-ultra liberal snotty art crowd this was little different. Also I didn't see much of a taboo around in the gay bars and clubs I was in.

Different strokes.
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« Reply #13366 on: October 18, 2012, 09:50:07 PM »

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« Reply #13367 on: October 18, 2012, 10:44:14 PM »

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« Reply #13368 on: October 19, 2012, 12:00:37 AM »

Speaking European racism, one of my favourite YouTube videos. The profound and timeless wisdom of the English Defence League (watch from 1min20).

Is EDL racist? I thought they were just islamophopic. Of course people in it might be racist though.
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« Reply #13369 on: October 19, 2012, 12:12:42 AM »

Speaking European racism, one of my favourite YouTube videos. The profound and timeless wisdom of the English Defence League (watch from 1min20).

Is EDL racist? I thought they were just islamophopic. Of course people in it might be racist though.

You Europeans with your sophisticated taxonomy of hate . . .
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« Reply #13370 on: October 19, 2012, 12:20:08 AM »

Speaking European racism, one of my favourite YouTube videos. The profound and timeless wisdom of the English Defence League (watch from 1min20).

Is EDL racist? I thought they were just islamophopic. Of course people in it might be racist though.

You Europeans with your sophisticated taxonomy of hate . . .

It's called not bearing false witness.

"Taxonomy of hate" sounds like a an awesome name for some band.
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« Reply #13371 on: October 19, 2012, 02:03:23 AM »

Pop Quiz
When you eat food how does your body know to send the left-overs to the poop chute rather than the pee tube?

A. butt gremlins visit you during the night and take care of the problem in exchange for jewels
B. intestinal bacteria are sentient and use nanotechnology to direct where waste goes
C. magic
D. none of the above
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« Reply #13372 on: October 19, 2012, 03:38:36 AM »

Is it true that French women don't shave?

Yes  Embarrassed
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« Reply #13373 on: October 19, 2012, 09:11:48 AM »

Is EDL racist? I thought they were just islamophopic. Of course people in it might be racist though.

They would say they're merely anti-Islam, but I don't think you can separate islamophobia from racism when speaking of groups like this. Elements of that religion is what causes greater division than you get with other minority groups, but that doesn't mean the EDL have the faintest idea about what Islam is, or are in a position to form nuanced theological objections to it. You can be racist without being racist to every minority, which was the point I was trying to make earlier. Most members of the EDL have no problem with interracial marriages if it's between a black guy and a white girl, or vice versa, but would consider it anathema were a "paki" involved.

That being said, you can't compare attitudes within the EDL to the overt racial ideology of the BNP.
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« Reply #13374 on: October 19, 2012, 09:15:20 AM »

Has anyone linked to the muslamic video already?
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« Reply #13375 on: October 19, 2012, 09:17:34 AM »

Has anyone linked to the muslamic video already?

The song or the original video?  Grin
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« Reply #13376 on: October 19, 2012, 09:19:41 AM »

Has anyone linked to the muslamic video already?

The song or the original video?  Grin

The original.

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Beware the muslamic ray guns.
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« Reply #13377 on: October 19, 2012, 09:40:53 AM »

I need to stop posting at 2 in the morning ...  Cool
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« Reply #13378 on: October 19, 2012, 11:42:55 AM »

I need to stop posting at 2 in the morning ...  Cool

Is 2am morning or night?
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« Reply #13379 on: October 19, 2012, 11:47:29 AM »

I need to stop posting at 2 in the morning ...  Cool

Is 2am morning or night?

Finally a thinker around here.

It is clearly night.

And it belongs to the day in which you awoke.

13 hours from now here in EDT, it will be Friday 1 AM.

Unless I happen to be sleep by then, then it doesn't exist.

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« Reply #13380 on: October 19, 2012, 11:49:43 AM »

Is it true that French women don't shave?

I went to Paris and it was only a few that didn't, but that was Paris. laugh
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« Reply #13381 on: October 19, 2012, 11:53:13 AM »

Why do White women always fall for minority men?

They don't. A lot of women that I know are disgusted with the idea, even those who pretend to be left-wing hippies.

See my comments about Europe above . . .

It's the same way in America, genius.

Not where I have lived. Sorry, you are lost here. (Read you comments above about non-Nowegians living Oslo.)

I've stayed for more than a year in more than a few places in this country as well as in Europe.

At one time, mixed couples might have been more tolerated in Europe.

Not any more.

No, I believe you misinterpreted my post. And you have a hard time apologizing, because of your over-personality.

I've never been anywhere in Europe where people will care about most mix raced relationships (Scandinavia, England, Scotland, Wales, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Portugal, Russia, (I might be missing one or two)). You must've just made friends with racists.
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« Reply #13382 on: October 19, 2012, 11:57:56 AM »

Why do White women always fall for minority men?

They don't. A lot of women that I know are disgusted with the idea, even those who pretend to be left-wing hippies.

See my comments about Europe above . . .

It's the same way in America, genius.

Not where I have lived. Sorry, you are lost here. (Read you comments above about non-Nowegians living Oslo.)

I've stayed for more than a year in more than a few places in this country as well as in Europe.

At one time, mixed couples might have been more tolerated in Europe.

Not any more.

No, I believe you misinterpreted my post. And you have a hard time apologizing, because of your over-personality.

I've never been anywhere in Europe where people will care about most mix raced relationships (Scandinavia, England, Scotland, Wales, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, Portugal, Russia, (I might be missing one or two)). You must've just made friends with racists.

No. I actually knew black people.

Might want to consult with them.

And go reread you own xenophobic comments above. Frankly, they disqualify you are any legitimate judge of the xenophobia of others.
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« Reply #13383 on: October 19, 2012, 11:58:40 AM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.
I've been to Narvik.  Beautiful place!  Walked into a bank and asked the teller if she spoke English.  With a straight face she said, " I do.  Do you speak English?" 

You were going skiing I suppose? laugh
There was a lot of snow.  To date, it was probably my favorite place I've been outside the USA.

I asked because it is supposedly the best place in the country for Alpine Skiing. I've wanted to go there, but that's further north than I've ever been! lol
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« Reply #13384 on: October 19, 2012, 12:00:45 PM »

And go reread you own xenophobic comments above. Frankly, they disqualify you are any legitimate judge of the xenophobia of others.

I don't care what your interpretations of what I said are. You generally have a problem with that anyway.

The fact my fiancee is Hispanic obviously shows you are mistaken for calling me a racist. I hate to keep bringing it up, but you cannot deny that it makes your point moot.
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« Reply #13385 on: October 19, 2012, 12:20:11 PM »

Nevermind.
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« Reply #13386 on: October 19, 2012, 12:43:30 PM »

Russia

Hmm, not sure I'm with you on Russia. I know a ton of Russians and I'm pretty sure they would win the European Xenophobia Cup. When you travel to a lot of the southern European countries with your German football team next year, it wouldn't be shocking to hear rival fans making monkey sounds or throwing bananas onto the pitch whenever one of your black team mates gets the ball. It has been in the news quite often. Serbia just last week, though Italy are the usual culprits (of course, the behaviour of football hooligans shouldn't be taken as normative, but it nonetheless betrays a greater tolerance for such attitudes). There's a big north/south, east/west, on the subject, which is why I think orthonorm's referring to "Europeans" as a unified group is off.
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« Reply #13387 on: October 19, 2012, 12:50:40 PM »

Why do White women always fall for minority men?

They don't. A lot of women that I know are disgusted with the idea, even those who pretend to be left-wing hippies.

See my comments about Europe above . . .

It's the same way in America, genius.

Not where I have lived.

Where exactly was that? Outside of some parts of Eastern Europe, most mixed relationships aren't noticed by anyone.
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« Reply #13388 on: October 19, 2012, 12:51:12 PM »

Why do White women always fall for minority men?

They don't. A lot of women that I know are disgusted with the idea, even those who pretend to be left-wing hippies.

See my comments about Europe above . . .

It's the same way in America, genius.

Not where I have lived.

Where exactly was that? Outside of some parts of Eastern Europe, most mixed relationships aren't noticed by anyone.

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« Reply #13389 on: October 19, 2012, 12:52:22 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.
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« Reply #13390 on: October 19, 2012, 12:54:45 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.

According to the multiculturalists that's xenophobia, but we have a politics board for topics like that.
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« Reply #13391 on: October 19, 2012, 01:06:02 PM »

Welcome!

Thank you friend!
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« Reply #13392 on: October 19, 2012, 01:08:44 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.

According to the multiculturalists that's xenophobia, but we have a politics board for topics like that.

American's haven't the slightest concept of what this topic was about. America doesn't have a true culture, it is a mixture of all cultures, which is great and they should embrace. But they don't know what it is really like to watch you history erode beneath their feet.

No one is saying any culture is better or worse. We just want to preserve ours, as they would theirs, and we all should.
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« Reply #13393 on: October 19, 2012, 01:18:38 PM »

A Nationalist Swede? I thought that they were already extinct. I wonder what pops out next. Unicorns? Mammoths? Grin

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« Reply #13394 on: October 19, 2012, 01:20:14 PM »

A Nationalist Swede? I thought that they were already extinct.


They're as rare as swedish heterosexual males  Wink

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« Reply #13395 on: October 19, 2012, 01:23:17 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.

According to the multiculturalists that's xenophobia, but we have a politics board for topics like that.

American's haven't the slightest concept of what this topic was about. America doesn't have a true culture, it is a mixture of all cultures, which is great and they should embrace. But they don't know what it is really like to watch you history erode beneath their feet.

No one is saying any culture is better or worse. We just want to preserve ours, as they would theirs, and we all should.

Speaking as an American, I agree. America's national cultural ideal is multicultural, which is not something found in world history. There have been multicultural cities and regions all throughout history, but individual groups still strived to maintain their identity while still living among all the other groups. The "melting pot" as an ideal unto itself is new IMO.

Which is fine and good. But Americans should not be xenophobic either, and act superior because we like to toss everything into a blender. That's our culture, but let's not look down our noses at monolithic cultures, because theirs is the standard throughout history.

The desire to preserve one's culture certainly isn't racism or xenophobic. Those terms are clichés that have lost their punch due to chronic abuse and overuse.
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« Reply #13396 on: October 19, 2012, 01:25:05 PM »

A Nationalist Swede? I thought that they were already extinct. I wonder what pops out next. Unicorns? Mammoths? Grin

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Thank you! Yes, we exist, although a wee minority. I do hope people here, i.e. Americans, realize that Nationalism ≠ Xenophobia


They're as rare as swedish heterosexual males  Wink

Hey hey, METROsexual is not the same as HOMOsexual! lol
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« Reply #13397 on: October 19, 2012, 01:26:30 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.

According to the multiculturalists that's xenophobia, but we have a politics board for topics like that.

American's haven't the slightest concept of what this topic was about. America doesn't have a true culture, it is a mixture of all cultures, which is great and they should embrace. But they don't know what it is really like to watch you history erode beneath their feet.

No one is saying any culture is better or worse. We just want to preserve ours, as they would theirs, and we all should.

Speaking as an American, I agree. America's national cultural ideal is multicultural, which is not something found in world history. There have been multicultural cities and regions all throughout history, but individual groups still strived to maintain their identity while still living among all the other groups. The "melting pot" as an ideal unto itself is new IMO.

Which is fine and good. But Americans should not be xenophobic either, and act superior because we like to toss everything into a blender. That's our culture, but let's not look down our noses at monolithic cultures, because theirs is the standard throughout history.

The desire to preserve one's culture certainly isn't racism or xenophobic. Those terms are clichés that have lost their punch due to chronic abuse and overuse.

You are 100% correct. I think this post is one of the wiser things I've read.
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« Reply #13398 on: October 19, 2012, 01:26:53 PM »

This post earned me finnish citizenship.

LOL! You can have my citizenship. I'd love to move to more Central Europe.
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« Reply #13399 on: October 19, 2012, 01:27:14 PM »

\This post earned me finnish citizenship.

That is Swedish too!

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« Reply #13400 on: October 19, 2012, 01:32:59 PM »

Perkele.
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« Reply #13401 on: October 19, 2012, 01:38:34 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Culture is a word used when you don't want the ways of your people to die, actually.

Forgive him. He has uncontrollable, over-personality. And he thinks he knows everything. Not to mention he uses "ain't". laugh
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« Reply #13402 on: October 19, 2012, 01:39:52 PM »

Perkele.

Do you have Finnish friends or something? That's the first word that Finns usually tend to teach to foreigners. Tongue
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« Reply #13403 on: October 19, 2012, 01:41:40 PM »

Perkele.

Do you have Finnish friends or something? That's the first word that Finns usually tend to teach to foreigners. Tongue

No, I happen to be an expert when it comes to the Finnish languange.
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« Reply #13404 on: October 19, 2012, 01:42:20 PM »

Russia

Hmm, not sure I'm with you on Russia. I know a ton of Russians and I'm pretty sure they would win the European Xenophobia Cup. When you travel to a lot of the southern European countries with your German football team next year, it wouldn't be shocking to hear rival fans making monkey sounds or throwing bananas onto the pitch whenever one of your black team mates gets the ball. It has been in the news quite often. Serbia just last week, though Italy are the usual culprits (of course, the behaviour of football hooligans shouldn't be taken as normative, but it nonetheless betrays a greater tolerance for such attitudes). There's a big north/south, east/west, on the subject, which is why I think orthonorm's referring to "Europeans" as a unified group is off.

Serbia and Italia's FA have gotten in major trouble for the supporter's racism in the past, including Serbia against England.

When I was in St. Petersberg, I saw more than a few mix racial couples, but maybe it was the exception?
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« Reply #13405 on: October 19, 2012, 01:44:53 PM »

Perkele.

Do you have Finnish friends or something? That's the first word that Finns usually tend to teach to foreigners. Tongue

No, I happen to be an expert when it comes to the Finnish languange.

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« Reply #13406 on: October 19, 2012, 01:45:51 PM »

Miksi?
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« Reply #13407 on: October 19, 2012, 01:51:40 PM »

Miksi?

Koska en ollut aivan varma, oliko se vitsi eli google-kääntäjä. Olisi melko randomia törmätä amerikkalaisella keskustelupalstalla suomentaitoiseen hollantilaiseen.
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« Reply #13408 on: October 19, 2012, 01:54:51 PM »

Miksi?

Koska en ollut aivan varma, oliko se vitsi eli google-kääntäjä. Olisi melko randomia törmätä amerikkalaisella keskustelupalstalla suomentaitoiseen hollantilaiseen.

Finnish is so strange.
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« Reply #13409 on: October 19, 2012, 01:55:54 PM »

En todellakaan puhu suomea mutta se kuulostaa mahtava.
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