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« Reply #13275 on: October 16, 2012, 03:26:20 PM »

Ah, bi-polar mothers are the best. Grin

Especially when they hate your style (jersey and shorts normally) and your facial hair (mah beard, although it is always short) (which she threatens to not let me come in the house because of). Grin

Luckily she doesn't have a problem with me as a person though. laugh
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« Reply #13276 on: October 16, 2012, 03:27:29 PM »

Every good thing has a bad side, aye?

I'm an optimist, so I always hope there isn't. Grin
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« Reply #13277 on: October 16, 2012, 04:06:11 PM »

Every good thing has a bad side, aye?

Spoken like a true proctologist.

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« Reply #13278 on: October 16, 2012, 04:08:56 PM »

A true proctologist knows no bad side.

But he can be a bit of anal at times.
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« Reply #13279 on: October 16, 2012, 08:01:22 PM »

No one. No one. Especially those speaking British, should ever say the phrase mass debate in a serious news story.
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« Reply #13280 on: October 16, 2012, 11:54:11 PM »

$17 will buy you a nice looking pair of slippers, but who here has the guts to wear them?
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« Reply #13281 on: October 17, 2012, 12:26:38 AM »

After the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 the Scandinavian countries took good care of the Hungarian refugees, and the Hungarians were so grateful for all the help that they worked extra hard and only had short breaks so they could pay the Scandinavians back. Unfortunately it made the other workers look bad, so it had to be explained to them that they had to rest more and relax a bit. The Hungarians were amazed that they were told to just sit around and eat food and drink beer and thought they had gone to heaven. XD

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« Reply #13282 on: October 17, 2012, 05:06:21 PM »

No one. No one. Especially those speaking British, should ever say the phrase mass debate in a serious news story.

That is true.
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« Reply #13283 on: October 17, 2012, 05:09:47 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.
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« Reply #13284 on: October 17, 2012, 05:12:41 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.

What are you going on about?

Are you saying fifty percent of the Norwegian population by 2030 will be non-citizens?
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« Reply #13285 on: October 17, 2012, 05:20:36 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.

Like most capital cities. I think it's unfortunate just because it has been too rapid. It has created a class system where there previously was none, with this class divide running mainly along ethnic/religious lines.  A positive is that the people raised in a multi-ethnic, multi-religious society will find it far easier to accept Christ without everyone in church looking, speaking, or thinking just like them.
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« Reply #13286 on: October 17, 2012, 05:29:34 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.

What are you going on about?

Are you saying fifty percent of the Norwegian population by 2030 will be non-citizens?

I mean ethnically non-Norwegian. Heck ethnic Scandinavians are fine (My own mother's family has almost as much Danish in her as Norwegian). I just think this quick immigration will do exactly as Kristian said:

I think it's unfortunate just because it has been too rapid. It has created a class system where there previously was none, with this class divide running mainly along ethnic/religious lines.
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« Reply #13287 on: October 17, 2012, 05:33:56 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.

Like most capital cities. I think it's unfortunate just because it has been too rapid. It has created a class system where there previously was none, with this class divide running mainly along ethnic/religious lines.  A positive is that the people raised in a multi-ethnic, multi-religious society will find it far easier to accept Christ without everyone in church looking, speaking, or thinking just like them.

I notice most of the "non-EU" immigrants live in the East End, from what I noticed. Granted, the worst living conditions in Norway is still good compared to the rest of the world, but I worry, because it is, as you said, happening so quickly.

Not to mention...the ethnicity in both Austlandet and all of Sweden are going to be destroyed alot faster than the West.
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« Reply #13288 on: October 17, 2012, 05:45:30 PM »

I mean ethnically non-Norwegian. Heck ethnic Scandinavians are fine (My own mother's family has almost as much Danish in her as Norwegian)

I don't think it needs to be ethnic Scandinavians. The problem is that most of these immigrants are very poor and have neither the education nor the language abilities to find decent employment. In small numbers these can be integrated, but en masse it causes division. What you end up with are a poor underclass who feel disenfranchised and on the outside of society, while the rest of society look at them with suspicion. That this 'underclass' is Somali/Pakistani and Muslim isn't important in and of itself, but obviously heightens the sense of "otherness" which helps perpetuate the problem already there. It's not conducive to societal cohesion.

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Not to mention...the ethnicity in both Austlandet and all of Sweden are going to be destroyed alot faster than the West.

Everyone on the West coast have a little bit of Spanish or Portugese in them. You didn't get your dark hair from the vikings :p
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« Reply #13289 on: October 17, 2012, 05:49:43 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.
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« Reply #13290 on: October 17, 2012, 05:49:55 PM »

I always knew it was bad...but I never knew the exact numbers: About 30% of Oslo are of non-Norwegian background. Could be 50% by 2030. I think that is absurd.

What are you going on about?

Are you saying fifty percent of the Norwegian population by 2030 will be non-citizens?

I mean ethnically non-Norwegian. Heck ethnic Scandinavians are fine (My own mother's family has almost as much Danish in her as Norwegian). I just think this quick immigration will do exactly as Kristian said:

I think it's unfortunate just because it has been too rapid. It has created a class system where there previously was none, with this class divide running mainly along ethnic/religious lines.

Are you ethnically affiliated with one of the tribes native to North America?  Please leave if the answer is no.
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« Reply #13291 on: October 17, 2012, 05:50:19 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

Completely agree.
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« Reply #13292 on: October 17, 2012, 05:56:13 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

This is something I must point out my fellow Americans. As much garbage we take from Europeans for not be as liberal or open-minded as they, we have them beat when it comes to ethnic and racial discrimination by a long shot.

If not systemically, certainly on a person to person basis.

Nearly every "real European" I met was a racist or an ethnicist, unless they were extremely liberal, as in full blown socialist / communist.

What is "ethnically" American? It only makes sense for some two groups, both equally foolish:

KKK (and their weird cousins)
Amerindians who want to return to a past that never existed.

Most of the rest of us can't even parse that sentence.

As problematic as our divisions are here over race and immigration, you ain't heard nothing till you get a European drunk and comfortable enough to let out what they really think.



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« Reply #13293 on: October 17, 2012, 06:07:51 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

As I said, I don't believe the ethnicity and religious affiliation of the immigrants in question is of importance. It's a question of being able to successfully integrate large numbers of people in such a short space of time, without ending up with class or other social divisions.
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As problematic as our divisions are here over race and immigration, you ain't heard nothing till you get a European drunk and comfortable enough to let out what they really think.

Just like every American is fat, overly patriotic right-wing evangelical. Kiss

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

Completely agree.

It is racist to say that certain nationalities and certain cultures have historically (say, thousands of years) correlated with certain ethnic groups? That doesn't mean that other cultures, nationalities, "races" etc. are somehow inferior or wrong or that one cannot become, say, Norwegian if one hasn't born into some viking familyline.
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« Reply #13295 on: October 17, 2012, 06:35:02 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

This is something I must point out my fellow Americans. As much garbage we take from Europeans for not be as liberal or open-minded as they, we have them beat when it comes to ethnic and racial discrimination by a long shot.

If not systemically, certainly on a person to person basis.

Nearly every "real European" I met was a racist or an ethnicist, unless they were extremely liberal, as in full blown socialist / communist.

What is "ethnically" American? It only makes sense for some two groups, both equally foolish:

KKK (and their weird cousins)
Amerindians who want to return to a past that never existed.

Most of the rest of us can't even parse that sentence.

As problematic as our divisions are here over race and immigration, you ain't heard nothing till you get a European drunk and comfortable enough to let out what they really think.




Seems fair enough. The historical elements that led to some of the systematic racism and white privelege that exist in the US today have given us time to think things through on an individual level. Still doesn't explain why 2 Broke Girls is still on TV though.

I would consider joining the KKK, because sometimes it seems like it'd be worth spewing vile rhetoric to hear someone unironically call me an Exalted Cyclops or Imperial Wizard. Guess RPGs will have to do for now.
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« Reply #13296 on: October 17, 2012, 07:04:19 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

As I said, I don't believe the ethnicity and religious affiliation of the immigrants in question is of importance. It's a question of being able to successfully integrate large numbers of people in such a short space of time, without ending up with class or other social divisions.

This is the most sensible thing I've heard about race and immigration in a long time. I would add, though, that more often than admitted, the divisions are not ones of economic class.
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« Reply #13297 on: October 17, 2012, 07:51:54 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

This is something I must point out my fellow Americans. As much garbage we take from Europeans for not be as liberal or open-minded as they, we have them beat when it comes to ethnic and racial discrimination by a long shot.

If not systemically, certainly on a person to person basis.

Nearly every "real European" I met was a racist or an ethnicist, unless they were extremely liberal, as in full blown socialist / communist.

What is "ethnically" American? It only makes sense for some two groups, both equally foolish:

KKK (and their weird cousins)
Amerindians who want to return to a past that never existed.

Most of the rest of us can't even parse that sentence.

As problematic as our divisions are here over race and immigration, you ain't heard nothing till you get a European drunk and comfortable enough to let out what they really think.




Seems fair enough. The historical elements that led to some of the systematic racism and white privelege that exist in the US today have given us time to think things through on an individual level. Still doesn't explain why 2 Broke Girls is still on TV though.

I would consider joining the KKK, because sometimes it seems like it'd be worth spewing vile rhetoric to hear someone unironically call me an Exalted Cyclops or Imperial Wizard. Guess RPGs will have to do for now.

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« Reply #13298 on: October 17, 2012, 08:26:00 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

It is pretty bad but I think you missed a few things from before. Lucky you.
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« Reply #13299 on: October 17, 2012, 08:27:58 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

It is pretty bad but I think you missed a few things from before. Lucky you.
"In a while." I have seen some of those other threads. Maybe not the worst of it, but I know the sort of thing you're talking about.
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« Reply #13300 on: October 17, 2012, 10:29:46 PM »

I don't think it needs to be ethnic Scandinavians. The problem is that most of these immigrants are very poor and have neither the education nor the language abilities to find decent employment. In small numbers these can be integrated, but en masse it causes division. What you end up with are a poor underclass who feel disenfranchised and on the outside of society, while the rest of society look at them with suspicion. That this 'underclass' is Somali/Pakistani and Muslim isn't important in and of itself, but obviously heightens the sense of "otherness" which helps perpetuate the problem already there. It's not conducive to societal cohesion.

This is absolutely the problem. I 100% agree with you.


Everyone on the West coast have a little bit of Spanish or Portuguese in them. You didn't get your dark hair from the vikings :p

Oh, I know. I don't have a problem with the inclusion of other ethnicity. More the death of the language and culture. From a regional aspect.
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« Reply #13301 on: October 17, 2012, 10:30:25 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.
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« Reply #13302 on: October 17, 2012, 10:36:05 PM »

Are you ethnically affiliated with one of the tribes native to North America?  Please leave if the answer is no.

You obviously know the answer to that ridiculous question.

I speak English. I speak it fluently.

I'm not, nor any of my ethnic group, destroying American culture, or the language.

Plus, I blame the immigration problem on the GOVERNMENT, not the Immigrants.

And I am leaving in June.
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« Reply #13303 on: October 17, 2012, 10:47:51 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.
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« Reply #13304 on: October 17, 2012, 10:52:53 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.
Do the Europeans have a bad case of xenophobia?
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« Reply #13305 on: October 17, 2012, 10:57:26 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Exactly. When "preservation of culture" amounts to attempting to exclude other "cultures" from the country, it is indistinguishable from racism.
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« Reply #13306 on: October 17, 2012, 11:00:39 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is Hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.

Exactly. When "preservation of culture" amounts to attempting to exclude other "cultures" from the country, it is indistinguishable from racism.

My Hispanic fiancee disagrees with you.

Plus, I never wanted to "exclude" anyone. Stop putting words in my mouth. You are acting like I want to ban immigration or something.
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« Reply #13307 on: October 17, 2012, 11:02:06 PM »

Please take your non-random serious talk to the free-for-all section  police
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« Reply #13308 on: October 17, 2012, 11:02:59 PM »

This is the most uncomfortably racist things have gotten around here in a while.

How is it racist? Have you any idea it is not an issue of race, but an issue of culture? I never said, nor will say, any race is inferior. Please forgive me, but where did you assume the idea was a "racist"? My fiancee is hispanic after all.

"Culture" is the word Europeans use to mask their xenophobia.
Do the Europeans have a bad case of xenophobia?

In the day to day, it is staggeringly worse than it is here. And for the last decade certainly we've seen political establishment examples within many European countries to protect their "culture".

Celticfan, how do you say Leitkultur in Norwegian?
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« Reply #13310 on: October 17, 2012, 11:10:57 PM »

So orthonorm, how would I get treated as a tourist then hahaha.

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Yeah that is amazing.
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« Reply #13311 on: October 17, 2012, 11:12:52 PM »

Do the Europeans have a bad case of xenophobia?

In northern Europe, only if you're Muslim. It's very rare to hear anyone say anything about race. Islamophobia is the big issue.

Southern and Eastern Europe are something else.
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« Reply #13312 on: October 17, 2012, 11:14:15 PM »

So orthonorm, how would I get treated as a tourist then hahaha.

You'd be treated very well.

And everyone would speak English to you as well.
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« Reply #13313 on: October 17, 2012, 11:15:58 PM »

Do the Europeans have a bad case of xenophobia?

In northern Europe, only if you're Muslim. It's very rare to hear anyone say anything about race. Islamophobia is the big issue.

Southern and Eastern Europe are something else.

Cause of how insular Northern Europe has been able to remain.

I spent enough time around Swedes and Norwegians to know. If you consider Denmark, Germany, etc. "Northern Europe" it ain't just Muslims.
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« Reply #13314 on: October 17, 2012, 11:17:22 PM »

So orthonorm, how would I get treated as a tourist then hahaha.

Time to restore the randomness: My favorite flavor of Cheez-Its is Hot & Spicy.
Yeah that is amazing.

You're short. Just dress like you do in that one photo and you should be fine.

(White) Americans are beloved throughout Europe, if you ain't a total goof. And you ain't.

If you were black. Different story.
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« Reply #13315 on: October 17, 2012, 11:21:23 PM »

I've seen enough German porn to know that they are in no position to be pointing fingers at others...
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« Reply #13316 on: October 17, 2012, 11:22:56 PM »

I've seen enough German porn to know that they are in no position to be pointing fingers at others...

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« Reply #13317 on: October 17, 2012, 11:25:23 PM »

This thread is so OC.net right now.
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« Reply #13318 on: October 17, 2012, 11:27:07 PM »

So orthonorm, how would I get treated as a tourist then hahaha.

Time to restore the randomness: My favorite flavor of Cheez-Its is Hot & Spicy.
Yeah that is amazing.

You're short. Just dress like you do in that one photo and you should be fine.

(White) Americans are beloved throughout Europe, if you ain't a total goof. And you ain't.

If you were black. Different story.

Hey are there any rich European girls that love white americans?

This is something to discriminate about.

EDIT: As far as certain groups. I thought their was a particular class of French women that love white American males.
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« Reply #13319 on: October 17, 2012, 11:48:07 PM »

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