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Really? Interesting. To be fair, I've never been overly enamored with Hitchens. And if Craig recycles arguments as often as the atheists I've watched claims he does, then Hitchens didn't seem to be aware of it. But really what I tried to do is not simply evaluate the arguments, but rather to look at things from the perspectives of both men. Craig does rely on assumptions and disputable argumentation (which gets to the point Hitchens tried to make about Craig usually being considered an evidentialist, but really going down the presuppositionalist road quite a ways as well). Both men ask us to consider the evidence, but what they don't delve deeply enough into IMO is where the speakers and the listeners are starting from. If I started with reason being the ultimate criterion, and perhaps the only important one, and tried to view everything from an objective, outside-looking-in position, then Craig would not have persuaded me, and neither would Hitchens have done so. But if I put myself in the shoes of both men, the naturalist and the Christian (not at the same time, but I mean trying to understand each man, one at a time), and was willing for the sake of argument to accept certain assumptions that each man accepts, and asked who made the better case, to me it seemed like Craig did so. |
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Hurray my mother said that I could get a dog this summer! I do live in an apartment and I do not have much experience training dogs, but I have rad a lot about animal psychology. So, I think that I am going to get a greyhound since they are lazy and sleep 20 hours a day, requiring very little effort from me to take care of! Hurray for laziness!
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What happens in one more day? Oh right... WTF? How and when did this happen? Dude, what planet do you live on? You've never heard that debacle until today? You're better for it. It was released about a year ago to much critical acclaim as "the worst song ever". |
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What happens in one more day? Oh right... WTF? How and when did this happen? Dude, what planet do you live on?  You might like this one more. You may or may not like the singing, but I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy Simon's honesty afterwards  EDIT--Though to be clear about the honesty thing, I felt so terrible for the girl! |
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
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« Reply #12013 on: May 18, 2012, 02:07:13 AM » |
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I can't believe some of the stuff I've said 4 years ago on this board. Today, I'm glad I say less although I'd like to reach 8,000 posts while continuing to lower my posts per day. Beyond that, I'm not sure if I have another 1,500 posts left in me for the next milestone.
Your avg. posts per day is still higher than mine... just set your goal and say: "yes I can!" |
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"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled." - Plutarch
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vamrat
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« Reply #12014 on: May 18, 2012, 09:21:19 AM » |
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Pawn Stars is the best show on TV
fix'd You people are trying my patience. |
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It is an education process for me as I learn about the psychology of spiritual apostasy. And others get the benefit of perhaps hearing righteousness for the first time.
Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God.
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