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« on: December 18, 2005, 11:59:13 PM »

Is this American political discussion? If so, I apologize.

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc1.htm
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2005, 12:23:44 AM »

Apologize? For what?
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2005, 12:40:02 AM »

When I hear terms like 'neoconsertive' you know it's a bunch of left wing hogwash. For any wiseguy out there, what the heck is a neoconsertive? Sounds like something that was recently invented by the NY Times if you ask me or any other 'thinktank' that has jumped the shark.. Anyway, to get back on track I would rather choose to take the side of Israel over any backward Islamic country anyday. I don't agree with everything they do, but atleast they aren't intent on bombing the whole world with nuclear missiles like some current Islamic country is (cough Iran cough)... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2005, 01:11:49 AM »

Neo-conservatism is the philosophy of Project for a New American Century, the architects of Bush's foreign policy whose membership not only includes Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld but a great deal of Jews.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 01:46:22 AM »

Apparently Pat Buchanan and many other traditional Republicans are now left wingers according to Nacho....

Maybe when Nacho's political idealogy matures a little bit he'll realize one can't simply say all that are critical of the current mainstream idealogy of the GOP are liberals. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 01:54:28 AM »

As Nektarios makes mention of, Pat Buchanan, the farthest thing from a left-wing liberal, uses the term neoconservative quite often in his books and articles.

As for why I'd apologize for American political discussion...well...in the description of this section of the forum we're asked to avoid American political discussion. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 03:06:19 AM »

Apparently Pat Buchanan and many other traditional Republicans are now left wingers according to Nacho....

Actually, traditional Republicans would be called 'paleoconservatives.' Wikipedia says:

"Paleoconservatives are most easily distinguishable from other conservatives in their emphatic opposition to illegal immigration, their strong opposition to affirmative action, and their general disapproval of ... intervention overseas. They are not closely tied to the business community nor to the Religious Right. Neoconservatives, by contrast, are more consensus-oriented, pragmatic and lend their support to a more activist internationalist foreign policy."

And, these two versions of conservatism are not limited to the US, in case one may ask. In general, Europe tends to be more paleoconservative, if conservative at all (though Blair, for example, is probably more of a neoconservative, though he is technically a centrist).
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 03:41:44 AM »

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Neo-conservatism is the philosophy of Project for a New American Century, the architects of Bush's foreign policy whose membership not only includes Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld but a great deal of Jews.

Does that make the prior admin. part of the neoconsertives lol. Afterall, our troops are still in the balkins aren't they and thousands of innocent serbs died? Does that fit into your project for a new american century? While we are at it, lets go down the list a bit. We are still occupying Japan & Germany, why haven't we sent the troops home yet lol.  I guess we can say X president lied, people died & we are still there 60 years after the war ended! I know I have to fit that in a few sentences or less & make it rhyme a little knowing the current crybabies on the left have a tension span of comprehending not much more than slogans on bumper stickers & posters. So , just because some cheesy article appears using the term 'neconservative' really has no merit at all as I showed above and is not provable beyond the 'opinion' of the person who is writing it.


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Apparently Pat Buchanan and many other traditional Republicans are now left wingers according to Nacho....

Wrong my friend, I think Nacho made a great point. If you actually really listen to why Buchanan is opposed to the war (which I find admirable), you will see that it is for different reasons than some wild far right wing zionist plot by the Israelis imagined in the minds of people probably sufferring some kind of paranoid delusion of jews taking over the world.. Grin This article basically says that in so many words, but yet on the other hand I thought the current admin. was owned by the Saudis after watching Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911  which apparently laid out striking evidence to prove the case.  I guess the far left can't make up it's mind on who is owned by whom and what the current goals of the US Gov. really are. Conflict of facts? Naw....not at all.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2005, 03:57:58 AM »

When I hear terms like 'neoconsertive' you know it's a bunch of left wing hogwash. For any wiseguy out there, what the heck is a neoconsertive?

Neoconservatives are the so-called 'conservatives,' who support American Imperialism, oppose common-sense policies such as isolationsim. They tend to be supportive of the Federal government and indifferent, or even hostile, to states-rights. Furthermore, they tend to favour trade policies that are benificial to industry rather than other more traditional segments of the economy. In short, they are fascist-liberals, as distinguised from the communist-liberals on the other side of the asile. Unfortunately, these liberal 'neoconservatives' have hijacked the conservative posistion in American politics leaving the few of us who are traditional conservatives, i.e. Calhounian Democrats and, to an extent, Buchanan Republicans, terribly underrepresented in American Government.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2005, 04:36:07 AM »

Is this American political discussion? If so, I apologize.

http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/snieg_conc1.htm

As I understand, I think if the focus stays more on the article and the possibility of such a thing, without degenrating into whether it was this or that, who did this or that, etc, it should be within the lines. But I am sort of at a loss as to what the exact policy is.
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2005, 11:59:32 AM »



Wrong my friend, I think Nacho made a great point. If you actually really listen to why Buchanan is opposed to the war (which I find admirable), you will see that it is for different reasons than some wild far right wing zionist plot by the Israelis imagined in the minds of people probably sufferring some kind of paranoid delusion of jews taking over the world..

Have you seen Buchanan's book Where the Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency ? Better yet, check out the essay which is basically a shorter version of the one I originally posted:

 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2047.htm

It's called: Whose War? A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest.


Neoconservatives are the so-called 'conservatives,' who support American Imperialism, oppose common-sense policies such as isolationsim. They tend to be supportive of the Federal government and indifferent, or even hostile, to states-rights. Furthermore, they tend to favour trade policies that are benificial to industry rather than other more traditional segments of the economy. In short, they are fascist-liberals, as distinguised from the communist-liberals on the other side of the asile. Unfortunately, these liberal 'neoconservatives' have hijacked the conservative posistion in American politics leaving the few of us who are traditional conservatives, i.e. Calhounian Democrats and, to an extent, Buchanan Republicans, terribly underrepresented in American Government.

Thanks for summing it up!
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2005, 12:16:31 PM »

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For violating our American politics ban. Thread closed.
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