Author Topic: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED  (Read 2457 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Psalti Boy

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 842
NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« on: December 18, 2005, 12:33:08 AM »
Greetings,

I heard that the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese has issued a new Archdiocesan translation of the Nicean Constantinopolitan Creed.ÂÂ  Does anyone have the new text?ÂÂ  Is it on the GOA web site somewhere?

Thanks,
Psalti Boy
« Last Edit: December 18, 2005, 12:34:16 AM by Psalti Boy »

Offline Fr. George

  • formerly "Cleveland"
  • Administrator
  • Stratopedarches
  • *******
  • Posts: 20,234
  • May the Lord bless you and keep you always!
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2005, 01:23:49 AM »
Greetings,

I heard that the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese has issued a new Archdiocesan translation of the Nicean Constantinopolitan Creed.ÂÂÂ  Does anyone have the new text?ÂÂÂ  Is it on the GOA web site somewhere?

Thanks,
Psalti Boy   

I've got it in my stuff... give me a few days (even PM me to remind me - I've got a bad memory)
"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
Met. Meletios of Nikopolis & Preveza, from his ordination.

Offline Bizzlebin

  • Theologian
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 714
  • MonkBot, Go Forth!
    • BizzlebinLIVE
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 01:31:27 AM »
I've got it in my stuff... give me a few days (even PM me to remind me - I've got a bad memory)

I'd be interested to read it. Do you kow off the top of your head why it needs to be re-translated? And are there any "oddities?"
Fashions and opinions among men may change, but the Orthodox tradition remains ever the same, no matter how few may follow it.

-- Fr. Seraphim Rose

Offline Psalti Boy

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 842
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 06:00:34 PM »
I've got it in my stuff... give me a few days (even PM me to remind me - I've got a bad memory)

OK.  Take your time.  Just post it when you find it. 
I saw mention of it on the web site of a GOA Church.  Where I now live the closest church is Antiochian and no one there has heard anything about it.

Offline Fr. George

  • formerly "Cleveland"
  • Administrator
  • Stratopedarches
  • *******
  • Posts: 20,234
  • May the Lord bless you and keep you always!
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2005, 06:22:08 PM »
I'd be interested to read it. Do you kow off the top of your head why it needs to be re-translated? And are there any "oddities?"   

It didn't need to be "re-translated;" the Metropolitans just wanted a standard translation to be used in all churches.  Thus far, there are at least 3 or 4 versions with slight variation.  Now, as far as "oddities" - there is a word or two that I'm not sure about in their new version.  But it will be nice to go to another parish and not have the ackward moments where the translations diverge.

On that note, the GOA also has a committee to review and compile a single translation of the Liturgy to be used in all our parishes as well.  I think (I was told this 2 years ago) Metropolitans MAXIMOS, ISAIAH, and NICHOLAS are on the committee (but maybe my bishop has stepped out of that....).
"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
Met. Meletios of Nikopolis & Preveza, from his ordination.

Offline Bizzlebin

  • Theologian
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 714
  • MonkBot, Go Forth!
    • BizzlebinLIVE
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2005, 07:30:12 PM »
It didn't need to be "re-translated;" the Metropolitans just wanted a standard translation to be used in all churches.

Ah, ok! That makes a bit more sense  :P
Fashions and opinions among men may change, but the Orthodox tradition remains ever the same, no matter how few may follow it.

-- Fr. Seraphim Rose

Offline Psalti Boy

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 842
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 01:08:50 AM »
It didn't need to be "re-translated;" the Metropolitans just wanted a standard translation to be used in all churches.ÂÂ  Thus far, there are at least 3 or 4 versions with slight variation.ÂÂ  Now, as far as "oddities" - there is a word or two that I'm not sure about in their new version.ÂÂ  But it will be nice to go to another parish and not have the ackward moments where the translations diverge.

On that note, the GOA also has a committee to review and compile a single translation of the Liturgy to be used in all our parishes as well.ÂÂ  I think (I was told this 2 years ago) Metropolitans MAXIMOS, ISAIAH, and NICHOLAS are on the committee (but maybe my bishop has stepped out of that....).


Hopefully, when they finalize it, someone will post it on the GOA web site.


Offline Psalti Boy

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 842
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 09:42:10 PM »

Hopefully, when they finalize it, someone will post it on the GOA web site.



Greetings,

I just got my November copy of Orthodox Observer in the mail today, and it has a copy of the new Creed and Lord's Prayer on Page 4.

Psalti Boy

Offline Bizzlebin

  • Theologian
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 714
  • MonkBot, Go Forth!
    • BizzlebinLIVE
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2005, 02:55:08 AM »
Greetings,

I just got my November copy of Orthodox Observer in the mail today, and it has a copy of the new Creed and Lord's Prayer on Page 4.

Psalti Boy

If they're not online yet, could you type out and post them?
Fashions and opinions among men may change, but the Orthodox tradition remains ever the same, no matter how few may follow it.

-- Fr. Seraphim Rose

Offline Psalti Boy

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 842
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2005, 06:58:54 AM »
If they're not online yet, could you type out and post them?


OK. Here it is.ÂÂ  Go to this link and it will take you to the PDF version, then just turn to page 4 on the bottom.

http://www.goarch.org/en/news/observer/

Christ Is Born!  Glorify Him!  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  Christ Is Born!  Glorify Him!  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  Christ Is Born!  Glorify Him!  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  ÃƒÆ’‚  Christ Is Born!  Glorify Him!
« Last Edit: December 20, 2005, 07:02:45 AM by Psalti Boy »

Offline BJohnD

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 213
  • St. John of Damascus, pray for us.
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2005, 08:33:15 PM »
Thanks for posting the link.  I don't see anything untoward in the new wording (not that he expected to, he was quick to add!).  I thought it interesting that the new translation says of the Son, "through whom all things were made" -- the OCA translation I'm used to says, "by whom...."  All in all, the new GOA wording strikes me as "more correct."

Offline Silouan

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 818
  • Bogurodzica dziewica zbaw nas
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2005, 09:23:56 PM »
I'm happy to see the creed reads "fos us men and our salvation" rather than the "for us and our salvation" that my former GOA parish uses. 

Offline Fr. George

  • formerly "Cleveland"
  • Administrator
  • Stratopedarches
  • *******
  • Posts: 20,234
  • May the Lord bless you and keep you always!
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Pittsburgh
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2005, 09:33:26 PM »
I was happy to see a few things in there... but I'm puzzled why they translated ζωοπιώ as "Creator of Life" when it is normally translated "Giver of Life."
"O Cross of Christ, all-holy, thrice-blessed, and life-giving, instrument of the mystical rites of Zion, the holy Altar for the service of our Great Archpriest, the blessing - the weapon - the strength of priests, our pride, our consolation, the light in our hearts, our mind, and our steps"
Met. Meletios of Nikopolis & Preveza, from his ordination.

Offline Silouan

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 818
  • Bogurodzica dziewica zbaw nas
Re: NICEAN CONSTANTINOPLITAN CREED
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2005, 09:49:48 PM »
hmm, missed that when I read it.  That is strange and has some possible theological implications as well.