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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2019, 05:29:06 AM »

It's because there now exist countless Facebook pages and groups... which are easier to comment on via mobile device.

I think this is a really good point. Even though my Facebook usage in the regular sense has steadily declined, discovering certain Orthodox FB groups has kept me on. I pretty much only use it to interact in those groups. It's easier from a mobile perspective and the vibe is a little more lighthearted/personal.

Not that I don't value the contributions of this forum. There is a wealth of information I'm indebted to.

But I'd like a reaction button for us mostly lurkers lol.

This is coming, but it won’t be a boring like/dislike feature in the manner of Facebook or YouTube, and users will have to be logged in.  The feedback options are also not anonymous but display usernames.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2019, 05:39:45 AM »
Well hopefully it sticks around. For ten years now it's been the difference between my being vaguely tethered to Christianity and giving up on the whole thing entirely :angel:


Don’t worry about that; we are plotting world domination, the goal being to make Mor Ephrem’s title  “Judge of the Interwebs” more than an honorific.  ;)

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2019, 07:45:08 PM »
Well hopefully it sticks around. For ten years now it's been the difference between my being vaguely tethered to Christianity and giving up on the whole thing entirely :angel:


Don’t worry about that; we are plotting world domination, the goal being to make Mor Ephrem’s title  “Judge of the Interwebs” more than an honorific.  ;)

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2019, 07:52:20 PM »
It's because there now exist countless Facebook pages and groups... which are easier to comment on via mobile device.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I would have created a very active account in OCnet if I had found a community in Facebook back in 2015.
Eh. Message boards developed out of the old mailing lists; format has changed, but I don't think they're going away any time soon. There will always be people to appreciate discussions in an environment less transient than a social media platform. We were here long before FB; we'll likely stay here long after it too.
Yeah, but I was just looking for English-speaking Orthodox Christians besides the usual stereotypical boomers on Ask About the Orthodox Faith. I love this format, though!
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2019, 11:20:08 PM »
Apparently rakovsky is trying to singlehandedly increase form activity, lol.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2019, 11:45:42 PM »
I don't post as much because I just don't care about finding answers to questions anymore.

EDIT: What I meant to say is that the questions don't seem so pressing anymore.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2019, 11:53:04 PM »
Apparently rakovsky is trying to singlehandedly increase form activity, lol.

I was thinking the same thing.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2019, 12:01:19 AM »
At 11:00pm EST

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1,569 Guests, 6 Users (0 Buddies, 1 Hidden)

Users active in past 15 minutes:
Avdima, Pravoslavbob, isxodnik, Gloria Tibi Trinitas, Alveus Lacuna

It seems there are a lot of people or bots visiting but not a lot of logged in members.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2019, 12:24:11 AM »

I will admit I myself am not a great contributor to the forum in terms of content, so I am now focused on helping the community technically.
I personally think you're one of the most brilliant writers around here. I can honestly say I've learned something from almost every post you've ever made. I may not agree with everything, or better, maybe I don't ever understand it, but I usually learn something new when you post it. Sometimes I wonder if you're really well read or what it must be, but often times you share information I've not been privy to before. God Bless.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2019, 12:31:34 AM »
For a long time, the Most Online record was 651.  Apparently, 2,400 guests and/or bots have discovered the forum, lol.

Most Online:
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2019, 12:35:05 AM »
Apparently rakovsky is trying to singlehandedly increase form activity, lol.
Yes.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2019, 01:49:10 PM »
At 11:00pm EST

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1,569 Guests, 6 Users (0 Buddies, 1 Hidden)

Users active in past 15 minutes:
Avdima, Pravoslavbob, isxodnik, Gloria Tibi Trinitas, Alveus Lacuna

It seems there are a lot of people or bots visiting but not a lot of logged in members.
This site's archives serve as a log for discussion. Many Google searches on Orthodox contentious themes have us as one of the first results.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2019, 03:24:27 PM »
For a long time, the Most Online record was 651.  Apparently, 2,400 guests and/or bots have discovered the forum, lol.

Most Online:
    3,031 - Today at 04:29:13 AM

 :laugh:  I think it's quality discussion we want, not necessarily traffic, though traffic is nice.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2019, 04:55:38 PM »
. . . though traffic is nice.
Except during rush hour.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2019, 07:19:29 PM »
Apparently rakovsky is trying to singlehandedly increase form activity, lol.
Yes.
I love OC.net and I loved the Monachos forum, but sadly that is gone. It would be sad if this one went too.

That is why we have to try to support the site.  Anastasios left a message today about us continuing to support the site.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2019, 07:26:34 PM »
At 11:00pm EST

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1,569 Guests, 6 Users (0 Buddies, 1 Hidden)

Users active in past 15 minutes:
Avdima, Pravoslavbob, isxodnik, Gloria Tibi Trinitas, Alveus Lacuna

It seems there are a lot of people or bots visiting but not a lot of logged in members.
This site's archives serve as a log for discussion. Many Google searches on Orthodox contentious themes have us as one of the first results.

That is true.  I have found topics that way when doing a search.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2019, 07:55:58 PM »
Perhaps more forumers are doing 40 prostrations before clicking "Post".
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2019, 08:07:36 PM »
Perhaps more forumers are doing 40 prostrations before clicking "Post".

Sometimes I feel the need to do 40 prostrations after clicking "Post".
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2019, 08:52:34 PM »
Perhaps more forumers are doing 40 prostrations before clicking "Post".

Sometimes I feel the need to do 40 prostrations after clicking "Post".

That's how the deceiver gets you.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #64 on: November 09, 2019, 07:46:34 PM »
Lol what is this?

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #65 on: November 09, 2019, 07:49:23 PM »
The declining activity is pretty simple. The interesting contributors that no longer post for various reasons were never replaced by other interesting posters. This place has become stale and boring.

What's the point of starting discussions if you know there isn't going to be any lively debate?

I find there is much more activity on Facebook, for better or worse.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2019, 08:07:43 PM »
Getting pretty tired of all the comments about how much we current active members all suck compared to those who came before us. 

If anyone still wants this site to keep going I guarantee that's a losing strategy. 
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2019, 09:59:06 PM »
Our forerunners were typing out four different posts simultaneously while also writing out doctoral dissertations with both feet. We shall never see their like again.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2019, 10:11:59 PM »
Don't take it personally, PorphyriosK.  Not everyone comes here wanting lively debate.  Some people may want connection, answers, a sounding board, or simple discussion.  Ideally, we're able to balance and accommodate as much of that as possible.

Our forerunners were typing out four different posts simultaneously while also writing out doctoral dissertations with both feet. We shall never see their like again.
There's that, too.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2019, 10:26:02 PM »
Getting pretty tired of all the comments about how much we current active members all suck compared to those who came before us. 

If anyone still wants this site to keep going I guarantee that's a losing strategy. 

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2019, 01:09:09 AM »
When I first joined OC.net, I would not only post but engage in IM discussions with other members. When was the last time anyone exchanged IM's? And chat rooms- even OC.net had it's own chat room for awhile.  I think the types of social media most people are using has changed and will continue to change. When I joined in 2004 I was also a member of a few other online forums dealing with professional issues and hobbies; they are all either gone or seeing the same lack of new posts. The "golden age" of online forums has come and gone.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2019, 03:49:38 AM »
Lol what is this?



Not sure, maybe Alpha will chime in. Another thing that's always confused me was the inexplicably sharp increase in page views at the same time when actual number of posts was declining (and also, why that phenomenon is now fading away).
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2019, 10:45:55 AM »
When I first joined OC.net, I would not only post but engage in IM discussions with other members. When was the last time anyone exchanged IM's?

(1) All the old IMs are gone. (2) Ain't nobody got time for real-time convos anyway. Besides, time zones.

And chat rooms- even OC.net had it's own chat room for awhile.

If people would like an OC.net Discord server, we could consider it.

I think the types of social media most people are using has changed and will continue to change. When I joined in 2004 I was also a member of a few other online forums dealing with professional issues and hobbies; they are all either gone or seeing the same lack of new posts. The "golden age" of online forums has come and gone.

Depends on the kind of forum. Most of the writing communities I've been a part of are still around (with a few mergers and takeovers, but still, around). Social media don't favour long posts.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2020, 06:09:52 PM »
Has anyone noticed the number of users online lately? Something seems dysfunctional; as I post, there are 3 members but over 5,000 viewers. In the last week I had noticed a much higher ratio of viewers to members but usually about 5 members vs roughly 300 viewers. That seemed believable & a hopeful sign that visitors still read OC net in healthy numbers. I do not know what to make of the current stats; I hope they are correct.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2020, 10:58:05 AM »
A strange inversion of traffic happened on my blog a week in September, where my least interesting articles suddenly got many more visitors than usual. It was pages like I don't have time to write anything this month but here's a picture of my chili plant that saw an increase in visitors from an average 0/week to 15/that week, or so. It could be completely unrelated to the trends affecting this forum, but if a search engine has to omit certain pages from the results for one or another reason, it might scramble to find anything remotely relevant. So, my very uninformed guess would be search engine traffic on a day when the weather is bad on the Internets.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2020, 05:25:58 PM »
One member is worth more than many viewers. Viewers, whether human or bot, are seeking content. Active members make content.

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« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2020, 07:32:19 PM »
One member is worth more than many viewers. Viewers, whether human or bot, are seeking content. Active members make content.

More valuable than viewers are the posters; for the poster doth produce content, while the viewer but watches. Amen, amen, I say to you, if any man register for the forum, he doeth well. But woe unto the man who registereth not! For he produceth no content.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #77 on: January 12, 2020, 08:23:36 PM »
Many of my posts are in the private forums since they deal with issues that are considered "political." So, many people don't see those posts and little discussion is generated. I'm not sure what the solution is to that. For example, I understand how abortion is considered a political issue, but I don't understand why it is not more importantly deemed a faith issue. This is not a criticism of the moderators, just an example of where I think a lot of potentially robust and important discussions go to die in the private forums.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2020, 10:12:56 PM »
A lot of my favorite posters are gone or lurking; a lot of new people have come in whose contributions are... less than interesting.

Without some of those old quality posters, things have gotten a bit boring, I must admit.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2020, 10:50:46 PM »
Many of my posts are in the private forums since they deal with issues that are considered "political." So, many people don't see those posts and little discussion is generated. I'm not sure what the solution is to that. For example, I understand how abortion is considered a political issue, but I don't understand why it is not more importantly deemed a faith issue. This is not a criticism of the moderators, just an example of where I think a lot of potentially robust and important discussions go to die in the private forums.

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That's because it's almost impossible for it to not turn political.  But there are a few threads still on the public fora dealing with the subject, if you feel like searching.  :)
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2020, 01:34:50 PM »
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2020, 12:13:50 PM »
I think there was also a spike in activity for a few years when we used this forum in a way that would be more like a social media platform - for evidence, see the over 50,000 posts between Random Postings, Picture of the day, and WAG.  Yes, there were long and robust conversations on substantive topics, but we also used the site as a sort-of safe space to blow off steam among people of a similar ideological bent. 

I think sometimes we also sabotage ourselves by sticking to a "search first, post later" policy (which I don't think is an official policy, but seemingly an unofficial one).  Yes, it's tiresome to field 100 threads about headcoverings, "are they uniates or 'eastern catholics,'" Ukraine, menses and communion, etc.  But starting a new discussion is often both an honest attempt to have a question answered and an opening to communion with the people online now.

Over the last 15-16 years that I've been involved I've noted multiple ebbs and flows to the traffic here, while the general trend was "upward" for a while (aided especially by the CAF exodus of '08/'09 if my memory serves me right), I'm not sure the downward correction is a bad thing.  If the quantity has decreased but the quality is maintained (which can be directly affected by those who choose to stick around), then the forum is arguably much healthier than it was.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2020, 08:55:41 PM »
I for one have been extremely busy, so thats one reason. Maybe the direction on the website has shifted, and has made people abandon ship, maybe the direction hasnt shifted enough?
Everyone will have a different reason.

Have you ever been to other large Christian forums? They have a heavy slant to them, anyone can see. They arent like it is here, which is a good thing.

Anyway, did you see what happened in ukraine yesterday? S/
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2020, 09:50:49 PM »
A lot of my favorite posters are gone or lurking; a lot of new people have come in whose contributions are... less than interesting.

This, IMO.

Considering historical factors (viz-a-viz the forum), your opinion on this question carries a lot of weight with me, FWIW.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2020, 07:06:28 AM »
A lot of my favorite posters are gone or lurking; a lot of new people have come in whose contributions are... less than interesting.

This, IMO.

Considering historical factors (viz-a-viz the forum), your opinion on this question carries a lot of weight with me, FWIW.

While I do think we have several interesting new members, it is a sad fact that several members who I greatly admire have become inactive due to illness or unavoidable offline difficulty.

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2020, 11:58:05 AM »
I for one have been extremely busy, so thats one reason. Maybe the direction on the website has shifted, and has made people abandon ship, maybe the direction hasnt shifted enough?
Everyone will have a different reason.

Have you ever been to other large Christian forums? They have a heavy slant to them, anyone can see. They arent like it is here, which is a good thing.

Anyway, did you see what happened in ukraine yesterday? S/

What other large Christian forums are there? Any other good EO ones?

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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #87 on: January 15, 2020, 08:55:03 PM »
I for one have been extremely busy, so thats one reason. Maybe the direction on the website has shifted, and has made people abandon ship, maybe the direction hasnt shifted enough?
Everyone will have a different reason.

Have you ever been to other large Christian forums? They have a heavy slant to them, anyone can see. They arent like it is here, which is a good thing.

Anyway, did you see what happened in ukraine yesterday? S/

What other large Christian forums are there? Any other good EO ones?

Any good ones......No, unless you like the most progessive liberal ideas being pushed as "acceptable and normal", where are traditional thought gets labeled hate or bigotted.

Christianforums is the worst, i saw a young man ask about homosexual thoughts, and almost all the responses were telling him to embrace it. The only ones against it were being moderated. They allow atheists, etc and have an ot of boards where they spew their rhetoric unchalleneged. Alot of the people in charge arent christians in any sense of the word.

If you ever find a good one share it with me.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2020, 12:47:42 AM »
There is an Eastern Orthodox subforum within Christian Forums called: The Ancient Way (TAW). It is firmly Orthodox. There is also an Oriental Orthodox subforum called: The Voice in the Desert which is also good but not as much activity as TAW.
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Re: Declining Activity on OCNet?
« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2020, 09:40:29 AM »
There is an Eastern Orthodox subforum within Christian Forums called: The Ancient Way (TAW). It is firmly Orthodox. There is also an Oriental Orthodox subforum called: The Voice in the Desert which is also good but not as much activity as TAW.

How is the community on "Christian Forums"? I have an account but never posted.