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Offline Marat

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Books on Papal Authority
« on: December 05, 2005, 10:34:13 PM »
Does anyone know of some good books dealing with Papal Authority from the Orthodox perspective? I read the book The Rush to Embrace by Archpriest Alexey Young which mentions How The Pope Became Infallible by August Bernhard Hasler, The Papacy: Its Historic Origin and Primitive Relations with the Eastern Churches by Abbe Guetee, and finally, The Commonitory of Saint Vincent of Lerins, a Western Church Father. These books (as well as 8 million others) are available for me at the University of Texas library. I'm going to go there this week to check them out, and wanted to know if any posters here know of other good books, preferrably from the Orthodox perspective, about the topic I should also check on.

Any good books you can recommend? If you have a great book on any topic, I'd appreciate hearing about it too, not just ones on the pope. That is just a topic I'm focusing on right now.

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2005, 10:35:45 PM »
Upon This Rock by David Dale, Regina Orthodox Press.
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2005, 10:40:00 PM »
Upon This Rock by David Dale, Regina Orthodox Press.

Thanks. I'll be sure and look it up. I knew I'd get some good tips here. :)

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2005, 12:16:57 AM »
A really good one is "Two Paths" by Michael Whelton. 
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2005, 11:28:45 AM »
Upon This Rock by David Dale, Regina Orthodox Press.
I have read this book a couple of times.ÂÂ  It's not exclusively about Papal authority--in fact, it's more about authority (?epistemology) in general in Orthodoxy whether it's Scriptures or councils etc.ÂÂ  However, I also highly recommend it. (And I'm non-Orthodox)

I also "second" the recommendation for TWO PATHS by Whelton.  It's informative and a pretty quick read, but not as detailed IMO as the work by Abbe Guetee
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 10:09:25 PM »
"You are Peter" by Olivier Clement is the sainest, most honest and embracing study I've seen.  I highly recommend it if you have a heart for unity as much as you have a heart for Orthodoxy and historical honesty.
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 12:03:07 AM »
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   The best one I have read is The Papacy by Abbe Guette which was written about a century and a half ago by a Roman Catholic convert to Orthodoxy. Virtually every page is patristic quotes interspersed with just enough commentery to link them together. Very Orthodox treatment and available online at:

http://www.odox.net/The%20Papacy%20Guettee%20-%20Kirwan.pdf

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2005, 02:10:44 AM »
Christ is Among Us!

   The best one I have read is The Papacy by Abbe Guette which was written about a century and a half ago by a Roman Catholic convert to Orthodoxy. Virtually every page is patristic quotes interspersed with just enough commentery to link them together. Very Orthodox treatment and available online at:

http://www.odox.net/The%20Papacy%20Guettee%20-%20Kirwan.pdf

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I have read a little of that book a few years back, and was planning on getting it again to go over. I had no idea it was available online. Thanks for sharing that link.

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2005, 02:15:36 AM »
"You are Peter" by Olivier Clement is the sainest, most honest and embracing study I've seen.  I highly recommend it if you have a heart for unity as much as you have a heart for Orthodoxy and historical honesty.

I haven't heard of that one. Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure and check it out too.

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 01:48:28 PM »
On Papal Authority (or on Papal Primacy) try:

The Primacy of Peter: Essays in Ecclesiology and the Early Church.  John Meyendorff, et al. 

By a Jesuit, but still very good and not overly pro-"Roman":

Papal Primacy: From its Origins to the Present.  Klaus Schatz




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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2005, 01:51:49 PM »
I notice in viewing the title on amazon.com that the book by Oliver Clement, "You are Peter," has a foreward written by the Roman Catholic scholar Avery Dulles, S.J.  Just curious: what does Avery Dulles have to say in the foreward? 

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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2005, 04:51:45 PM »
I notice in viewing the title on amazon.com that the book by Oliver Clement, "You are Peter," has a foreward written by the Roman Catholic scholar Avery Dulles, S.J.ÂÂ  Just curious: what does Avery Dulles have to say in the foreward?ÂÂ  

Cardinal Dulles spends five paragraphs talking about why the Catholic church wants dialogue and reunion, introduces Clement, and praises Clement's contribution.  Basically, it's "the author is a great guy and an authority" filler, the way most forwards are.   
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 05:26:44 AM »
Does anyone know of some good books dealing with Papal Authority from the Orthodox perspective?
Look in this topic, I've posted several links there:
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,35344.0.html

"The answer from the Orthodox Church on the dogma of Papal Infallibility was given on the Meeting of Heads and Representatives of the Autocephalous Orthodox Churches Held in Connection with the Quingentenary Celebrations of the Russian Orthodox Church's Attainment to Autocephalous Status (Moscow, 1948). It was pointed to the works of Dollinger and some other historians, but his name was mentioned the most frequently and he was the most cited."

Also good article was posted on this site, The Vatican Dogma by Fr Sergius Bulgakov.

Any good books you can recommend? If you have a great book on any topic, I'd appreciate hearing about it too, not just ones on the pope. That is just a topic I'm focusing on right now.
There are many good books. For example, read any books, or articles by bishop Atanasije Jevtic (or Athanasius Yevtich).
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 07:27:29 AM »
The Primacy of Peter: Essays in Ecclesiology and the Early Church.  John Meyendorff, et al.

I've read this and liked it.
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Re: Books on Papal Authority
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2011, 02:05:02 AM »
I notice in viewing the title on amazon.com that the book by Oliver Clement, "You are Peter," has a foreward written by the Roman Catholic scholar Avery Dulles, S.J.  Just curious: what does Avery Dulles have to say in the foreward? 

Cardinal Dulles spends five paragraphs talking about why the Catholic church wants dialogue and reunion, introduces Clement, and praises Clement's contribution.  Basically, it's "the author is a great guy and an authority" filler, the way most forwards are.   

I was surprised by his contribution, because I recently read this book and, frankly, I came away from it feeling like it pretty much defended Orthodoxy. It was more irenic than some other books, maybe, but I think it establishes the Orthodox position quite well and gives a balanced pro-Orthodox view. *shrugs*