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Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« on: October 06, 2019, 04:51:41 AM »
Is there a certain amount of time that must past from one confession to another, and from confession to Eucharist?

For example, if you confess on Tuesday - but do something stupid on Wednesday (like partying too much, getting drunk, doing adult stuff) - and if you confess on Thursday - and not be given any penance - can you prepare normalny and receive Eucharist on Sunday?

What to do when you can't ask your SF, because he's away or is unavailable...?

Sometimes, even after confession, that terrible feeling of not being worthy of the Gifts remains...

If one confessed, priest said OK (but not SF), and and one repents - should it be that the thoughts of not being worthy are from the evil one?
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2019, 06:12:45 AM »
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Is there a certain amount of time that must past from one confession to another, and from confession to the Eucharist?

You can confess at least every day. Moreover, it is a wonderful weapon in the fight against sin: sins are forgiven; demons, not suffering reproof, flee; the mind clears; knowing that soon confess, you once again think about whether to sin.

In the Russian tradition, confess on the communion day, or the day before. In others, and in the Russian Renovationist - they say that one can take communion regardless of confession. I am of the opinion that this is very wrong and harmful, and it is in the spiritual sense. "Cursed is every man that doeth the work of God with negligence."

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For example, if you confess on Tuesday - but do something stupid on Wednesday (like partying too much, getting drunk, doing adult stuff) - and if you confess on Thursday - and not be given any penance - can you prepare normal and receive Eucharist on Sunday?

What adult stuff? If this is a euphemism for fornication, it is impossible to take communion at all until complete correction and repentance. The rest - at the discretion of the priest. For example, it may be that according to the formal rules you can start communion, but in fact the priest will see in you a certain laxity, promiscuity (like partying too much, getting drunk, doing adult stuff), and will advise to wait.

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If one confessed, the priest said OK (but not SF), and and one repents - should it be that the thoughts of not being worthy are from the evil one?

What is "SF"? The spiritual father? In fact, a true spiritual father-spiritual child relationship is very rare. People have read that they have to have a spiritual father and are looking for someone to call a spiritual father, but that's not it. Be guided by the priest who is available, if only he was adequate.

We are always unworthy of the Holy mysteries, and we should always remember this. But pedaling unworthiness-definitely comes from the evil one. We must rely on the mercy of God, we are saved only by it, and not by the number of canons and akathists.
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2019, 09:28:41 AM »
Fornication - not necesairly, but it gets to the core of the question: sins of passions and lust, like (I don't know) dirty looks, watching pornography, onanism, etc. - when confessed, they do not usually lead to epitimia, the penitent is usually not given a penance.

And in such a case, is it ok to receive Communion? I'm not talking about a situation when someone 'abuses the system' and confess to a different priest to avoid epitimia. I'm asking about a situation in which one genuinely repents and there's no epitimia.

Because, it would be sinful to think that our conscience knows better than God or the priest if we are worthy or not! :)

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2019, 10:00:55 AM »
As far as I'm aware, your confessor will tell you if you should abstain from Communion for a while. If you're simply given absolution and sent on your way, assume it is okay to receive.
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 11:29:56 AM »
It seems obvious answer "rely on the decision of the priest," but remember this, for example, the case:

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12: 30 "Before coming to America I was sure that homosexuality is a sin, and it is necessary to convince a person to stop sinning. Here I became convinced that this problem is much deeper [before the evil state oppressed poor sodomites, and it was bad]. Society did not accept them as they were. Here in America, I see a better attitude."

13: 30 "Against wedding sodomites in Orthodox Church, but I not against moreover, to these people participated in prayer and even taking communion." 13: 49 "we traditionally consider such relations to be sinful, and we cannot officially announce that we will commune such people, so as not to violate the tradition. But I know that there are priests who bless sodomites to take communion, because they can not imagine that IT will go out of their lives, they do not agree that it is a sin."

14: 34 "a sodomite may be an example of a Christian to us, and why should He not take communion while concealing his homosexuality."

14: 50 "I would give communion manifest sodomites."

17: 30 How do you feel about the female and sodomite priesthood? - "In Orthodoxy it is still impossible, but in General (met in other faiths) - entirely "for".

, and there is an understanding that the question is more complicated.

I think we can be guided by the following considerations (implies sincere repentance, expressed in remorse/regret, in firm resolve not to repeat sin, and in avoiding causes exhorts sin):
- if the sin was not committed bodily, then after confession and permission of the priest, you can take communion.
- Masturbation complicates the matter, but in principle should be enough resolution of priest.
- after the fornication committed with another person, is categorically impossible to approach the Cup, even if you come across/meet a priest who will allow it. It takes time for correction and purification.
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 03:40:16 PM »
Is there a certain amount of time that must past from one confession to another, and from confession to Eucharist?

There's no minimum time between confessions, although you do have to keep in mind how much time your priest can devote to you. When I was able to attend a parish regularly, I did my confession each week after Vespers on Saturday, which was the official confession time. If your priest has no secular job he might offer confession more often. You can always ask him what's best.

For example, if you confess on Tuesday - but do something stupid on Wednesday (like partying too much, getting drunk, doing adult stuff) - and if you confess on Thursday - and not be given any penance - can you prepare normalny and receive Eucharist on Sunday?

Since I was raised Roman Catholic, I still have in my head the mortal/venial sin distinction, and make sure to confess before communion if I have done any mortal sins. But I'm not sure that the Orthodox Church makes this distinction. Does anyone know?

At most parishes I've been to, confessions are done on Saturday night, so there's not much time for heavy-duty sinning before Eucharist the next morning anyway.

What to do when you can't ask your SF, because he's away or is unavailable...?

If you have the opportunity to receive communion, then there is a priest around. He is probably willing to hear your confession.

Sometimes, even after confession, that terrible feeling of not being worthy of the Gifts remains...

If one confessed, priest said OK (but not SF), and and one repents - should it be that the thoughts of not being worthy are from the evil one?

If your priest hears your confession and admits you to communion, it would be foolish to abstain. Feelings of unworthiness come easily to sinners like us, but this does not mean we should pass up the opportunity to recieve Christ.

As far as I'm aware, your confessor will tell you if you should abstain from Communion for a while. If you're simply given absolution and sent on your way, assume it is okay to receive.

That's a good point. If there is any doubt one can always ask, "May I recieve communion?" There have been a few times where I didn't think I'd be readmitted to communion until at least 2043, and the priest mysteriously didn't say anything like that, so I asked for clarification.
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2019, 04:10:47 PM »
Lol, 2043 :) Anyway, having that awkward conversation with my Spiritual Father this week....
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2019, 02:29:54 AM »
Dear icxotnik  :D I have accidentally deleted your pm message - but i think it was the same as your previous post (with the qoutes)???

Sorry, im using a crpy old phone and cant get used to type with my BIG FO gers... SEE?? :)
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2019, 02:55:51 AM »
All as in tutorial ))
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2019, 07:06:15 AM »
Forgive me, i'm a Little dumber today than usually - which tutorial, where, whaaat?? :)
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2019, 07:50:59 AM »
Don't fuss. That is all right.
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 05:04:17 AM »
1. Ask your priest, as always. If he gives you blessing for the Communion, you really should partake it. Even if you feel unworthy - actually, this feeling is something good, but it may be a temptation from satan that of course doesn't want us to be united with Christ and Eucharist is the greatest way to be united with Christ, that's obvious.

2. You should discuss with your priest "schedule" of your Sacrament (more or less of course, as you're never sure what may happen) and after which sins you should go to confession as fast as possible as or after which ones you shouldn't take Communion, but firstly go to confession. It's something individual, your priest knows your passions, weaknesses, areas of trobules and so on.

Since I was raised Roman Catholic, I still have in my head the mortal/venial sin distinction, and make sure to confess before communion if I have done any mortal sins. But I'm not sure that the Orthodox Church makes this distinction. Does anyone know?
No, it doesn't. Every sin is actually mortal, as it breaks our relation with God, sometimes more, sometimes less, but anyway - it hurts this relation. And lack of relation with God or not proper relation with God means death.
And the "weight" of the certain sins is something very individual, depend on your spiritual life and circumstances (although sin is always a sin), see the point 2 I've written above.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 06:04:10 AM »
Sin is a violation of the will of God, distancing us from God.
Mortal sin makes us strangers to God.
If you die, breaking fast on Friday, you can count on God's mercy.
If you die in heresy, fornication, witchcraft, prepare for hell.

How it relates to Catholic teaching, I don't know, because I don't know Catholic teaching.
- Вы говорите, они вам угрожали?
- Да, сказали "сюда иди".
- Ну, "иди сюда" - это не угроза.
- "Иди сюда" - нет, а "сюда иди" - очень даже.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2019, 11:42:18 AM »
Fornication - not necesairly, but it gets to the core of the question: sins of passions and lust, like (I don't know) dirty looks, watching pornography, onanism, etc. - when confessed, they do not usually lead to epitimia, the penitent is usually not given a penance.

And in such a case, is it ok to receive Communion? I'm not talking about a situation when someone 'abuses the system' and confess to a different priest to avoid epitimia. I'm asking about a situation in which one genuinely repents and there's no epitimia.

Because, it would be sinful to think that our conscience knows better than God or the priest if we are worthy or not! :)

#NoFap works, but its very hard. The longest i went was about 1 year, then failed. Lust is very hard to overcome. In todays age, with 24/7 porn, lustful media, its very hard.
If you are watching pornography, you need to stop immediately. It is extremely bad for your soul, and brainwashes you into the norm of instant gratification at any whim.
Porn also hurts society, its immoral and warps the youth into thinking sex is ok, and the most nasty sex acts are normal. The supreme court ruined America by deciding porn was free speech.

Avoid the internet, avoid places to be alone (in the bedroom for instance, unless you are sleeping) start a prayer schedule, fast, work diligently. The demons will tempt you.

If i am blabbering on about a sin you arent commiting, i am sorry. I will pray for your resolve to stand firm in the face of temptations. Confess if your heart is heavy, and work hard to correct the sin. To simply confess then go right back to the sin, is the worst thing you can do.
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2019, 02:25:47 AM »
Thank you for all the replies :) I'm having a conversation with my Priest today, sooo... Please pray for me :)

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2019, 04:20:09 AM »
Lord, have mercy.  May it be a comfort.  :)
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2019, 03:23:10 AM »
Is there a certain amount of time that must past from one confession to another, and from confession to Eucharist?
In the OCA, my experience is that it is common for a person to have confession and then, after that confession, anytime within a month of that confession, the person can take communion as often as they want, unless they commit some major sin or quite disturbing sin. I guess that it is alittle bit like the mortal vs venial sin distinction in Catholicism, but Orthodox are not as strict about it as RCs. After the month is up, the person must go to confession again if they want communion. The best thing of course is to consult your priest.
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Euchatist
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2019, 03:32:18 AM »
Mortal sin makes us strangers to God.
If you die, breaking fast on Friday, you can count on God's mercy.
If you die in heresy, fornication, witchcraft, prepare for hell.

How it relates to Catholic teaching, I don't know, because I don't know Catholic teaching.
The Catholic Church categorizes sins based on their severity. Mortal sins are severe, whereas "venial" sins are not. I am not an expert hardly. But there might be some vague overlap:
In the RC Church, you HAVE to go to confession if you committed "mortal" sins. You can't go take communion if you haven't confessed your mortal sins.
In the Orthodox Church, if you go to confession, and then commit some lesser sin before communion, like being a minute late to an appointment, you can still go to communion. You could go for the next few weeks. But if you had confession and then did a severe sin (eg. sacrificing a goat to a pagan god or doing voodoo), I think that your priest would want you to confess the severe sin before going to communion, even if you had just gone to your last confession only a day before.

An analogy that a Ukrainian (UOC-MP) monk gave me once was that going to confession before communion was like washing your hands. You want to have clean hands before you eat dinner. The logic means that if you have done some quite bad deeds, then the issue is not how long ago was your last confession, but have you confessed those sins?
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2019, 03:54:56 AM »
A good metaphor, I was asking about a situation when you washed your hands good but still have that feeling that they are dirty...

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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2019, 03:58:23 AM »
A good metaphor, I was asking about a situation when you washed your hands good but still have that feeling that they are dirty...
OK. If you made a full confession and have not committed sins after the confession, then they are not still dirty for purposes of communion.
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2019, 08:45:59 AM »
A good metaphor, I was asking about a situation when you washed your hands good but still have that feeling that they are dirty...
You need to trust that God can truly forgive and cleanse.  And tell Satan to get behind you.  :)
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Re: Time from sin to confession and from confession to Eucharist
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2019, 10:26:14 PM »
A good metaphor, I was asking about a situation when you washed your hands good but still have that feeling that they are dirty...
I don't particularly feel the metaphor encompasses the situation with a parallel. I would say its more like Christ's wounds from the cross.  They are still there but aren't affecting him from living.
Why would one want to lose something that actually molded there personally of who they are today?
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