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It seems that lately the Russian Church has been meeting quite a bit with the OO Churches, most recently the Indian and Coptic.

In spirit of the big theological diologue coming up 2020 (2021?) between the Coptic and Russian Churches, what is the overall OO opinion of reunion with the EO?

As I’ve saod on here before both the EO and OO should be spending all of their time in theological dialogue together, rather than with the RCC, as we have much more in common

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2019, 10:45:10 AM »
According to the Indian Malankara Orthodox Church ~

X Y Z . . ETC
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2019, 10:50:40 AM »
According to the Indian Malankara Orthodox Church ~

X Y Z . . ETC

What does this mean?

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2019, 10:53:01 AM »
According to the Indian Malankara Orthodox Church ~

X Y Z . . ETC

What does this mean?

My church overseas.
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2019, 10:59:09 AM »
According to the Indian Malankara Orthodox Church ~

X Y Z . . ETC

What does this mean?

My church overseas.

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2019, 11:49:52 AM »
According to the Indian Malankara Orthodox Church ~

X Y Z . . ETC

What does this mean?

My church overseas.

The Lutherans?

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 05:45:24 PM »
It seems that lately the Russian Church has been meeting quite a bit with the OO Churches, most recently the Indian and Coptic.

In spirit of the big theological diologue coming up 2020 (2021?) between the Coptic and Russian Churches, what is the overall OO opinion of reunion with the EO?

My sense of the average person’s opinion is that reunion is long overdue and s/he wonders why it hasn’t happened yet.  I don’t think most people really appreciate how divided EO actually is (in doctrinal, ecclesiological, and political terms) at this point in its history.  We may have to wait for some measure of healing before we can move further.
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2019, 09:11:09 AM »
It seems that lately the Russian Church has been meeting quite a bit with the OO Churches, most recently the Indian and Coptic.

In spirit of the big theological diologue coming up 2020 (2021?) between the Coptic and Russian Churches, what is the overall OO opinion of reunion with the EO?

My sense of the average person’s opinion is that reunion is long overdue and s/he wonders why it hasn’t happened yet.  I don’t think most people really appreciate how divided EO actually is (in doctrinal, ecclesiological, and political terms) at this point in its history.  We may have to wait for some measure of healing before we can move further.

Since schism is a sin according to St. Clement, and therefore an evil, it should logically not have an independent reality, and therefore it seems to me like reunion, or limited intercommunion, like the Antiochian-Syriac relationship, with individual EO churches, is viable, because it looks to me like some of them really want reunion with us, and some of them don’t (and vice versa in the case of some Ethiopians)

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2019, 09:46:54 AM »
I agree

And I think that the local Orthodox Churches, of EO and OO, should not create a pseudo-reality called the EO Church or the OO Church, or even the EO Communion and the OO Communion, and then act as if this is a reality that cannot and must not change. I mean that local Orthodox Churches should be considering always - who can we be in communion with? who do we share the Faith with? - and not always fearfully, we must not recognise the Orthodoxy of this group or that group because it will cause problems for us elsewhere.

It needs to be messy for a while. Because the black and white pseudo-reality is not true and prevents growth towards unity.
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2019, 03:23:00 AM »
I agree

And I think that the local Orthodox Churches, of EO and OO, should not create a pseudo-reality called the EO Church or the OO Church, or even the EO Communion and the OO Communion, and then act as if this is a reality that cannot and must not change. I mean that local Orthodox Churches should be considering always - who can we be in communion with? who do we share the Faith with? - and not always fearfully, we must not recognise the Orthodoxy of this group or that group because it will cause problems for us elsewhere.

It needs to be messy for a while. Because the black and white pseudo-reality is not true and prevents growth towards unity.

I think we could be in absolutely perfect harmony of thought, not that you and I have ever really disagreed, but rather your post is such an exquisite exposition of what I was trying to say, I feel as though we have been greatly blessed by our Lord who is Reason, the incarnate Word of God, the Truth and the Light in person, shining out on the chaotic darkness now as in Genesis.  And the darkness comprehends Him not.

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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2019, 12:45:09 PM »
I hope it happens soon. I love The Oriental Orthodox.

We have a lot of Ethiopian Orthodox / Formally Ethiopian Orthodox people who come to our Church in Las Vegas.

I'm not sure how it works when people officially switch over or what they do etc.

Before I became a Catechumen in The Greek Orthodox Church I visited an Ethiopian Orthodox Church here.
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 03:32:12 PM »
I hope it happens soon. I love The Oriental Orthodox.

We have a lot of Ethiopian Orthodox / Formally Ethiopian Orthodox people who come to our Church in Las Vegas.

I'm not sure how it works when people officially switch over or what they do etc.

Before I became a Catechumen in The Greek Orthodox Church I visited an Ethiopian Orthodox Church here.

It's the same with the large Greek parish in Dallas. There is an Ethiopian church quite literally right across the street, but, a lot of the Ethiopians opt into going to the Greek parish because the liturgy is in a language they understand (English), as it is my understanding that the majority of Ethiopian parishes in the U.S do not use English. The other reason is that the Greek parish has a better Sunday School program for kids.

At the parish I previously attended (Antiochian), we had Armenians who would attend our parish even though there is an Armenian parish less than 10 miles away 

This is also very similar to what I have heard from the Antiochian and Greek parishes in Austin
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Re: Upcoming theological diologue between the Russian & Coptic Churches
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2019, 12:22:11 AM »
Nowadays when I think about positive efforts to heal relations and reconcile with the OOs I think about how much of a problem we have in the EO Church. It makes it harder to even think and talk about the positive task of reconciling with OOs. It is a very painful situation, but at least many OOs like those in the Orthodox Cognate Page have been sympathetic to what we are going through.

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