Author Topic: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy  (Read 1483 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« on: July 07, 2019, 12:12:15 PM »
I am posting this in this section because, as my name states, I am almost Orthodox and still in the examination stage.  One thing that I find hard to understand is the miracles that have occurred outside of Orthodoxy. It would seem to me that if Orthodoxy is the Church, miracles should only occur in Orthodoxy. To allow those holding heretical opinions (Immaculate Conception, Indulgences, Salvation by "faith alone" etc) is a real stumbling block to people such as myself. I look at the miracles occurring outside Orthodox and wonder why they happen.

Would someone care to explain why God would do miracles in the name of Jesus Christ through heretical bodies?

Offline Mor Ephrem

  • A highly skilled and trained Freudian feminist slut
  • Section Moderator
  • Hypatos
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,921
  • Hey, did you ever wanna hold a terryfold?
    • OrthodoxChristianity.net
  • Faith: Mercenary Freudianism
  • Jurisdiction: Texas Feminist Coptic
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2019, 12:40:33 PM »
Mark 9.38-41.
OCnet is KGB.
I hail Mor Ephrem as our Secretary General.

Quote
Oh you Greeks, you are all dumb!

An Athonite

Offline WPM

  • Taxiarches
  • **********
  • Posts: 7,350
  • Faith: Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Granbury to Abilene
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »


Would someone care to explain why God would do miracles in the name of Jesus Christ through heretical bodies?


Because not everything is related to Orthodox Christianity.
Study the Skull & Spine of the Common Ancestor at Talk Origins archive.
www.talkorigins.org

Offline hecma925

  • Non-clairvoyant, but you can call me Elder
  • Stratopedarches
  • **************
  • Posts: 18,741
  • You're my guardian angel hiding in the woods
  • Faith: Truthful Chalcedonian Truther
  • Jurisdiction: Enemy State Orthodox Church Abroad
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2019, 04:28:48 PM »
God is not limited.
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2019, 08:01:15 PM »
I agree that God is not limited, but that is not the issue I am trying to solve.  The working of miracles outside of the Orthodox Church makes it look like other bodies have a valid claim to being the Church (I think of Roman Catholicism here in particular).  As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.

I just find it hard to understand why our Lord would allow for such confusion in the minds of those who are honestly seeking.

But then again, I'm pretty dumb.

Offline hecma925

  • Non-clairvoyant, but you can call me Elder
  • Stratopedarches
  • **************
  • Posts: 18,741
  • You're my guardian angel hiding in the woods
  • Faith: Truthful Chalcedonian Truther
  • Jurisdiction: Enemy State Orthodox Church Abroad
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2019, 08:07:42 PM »
Define "miracle".
Happy shall he be, that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock. Alleluia.

Once Christ has filled the Cross, it can never be empty again.

"But God doesn't need your cookies!  Arrive on time!"

Offline Ainnir

  • Section Moderator
  • Protokentarchos
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,458
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2019, 09:13:32 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

Pray for me, a sinner.

Offline PorphyriosK

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,175
  • Господи помилуй
  • Faith: Russian Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: ROCOR
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2019, 09:24:13 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)
"When you don’t live with Christ, you live in melancholy, in sorrow, in anxiety and in worry. You don’t live properly… The best medicine is to devote yourself to the worship of Christ. Everything is cured. Everything works properly."

~ St. Porphyrios


"The Church is indeed 'Apostolic'.  But the Church is also 'Patristic'.  And only by being 'Patristic' is the Church continuously 'Apostolic'."

~ Fr. Georges Florovsky

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2019, 12:46:55 PM »
Define "miracle".

Raising the dead, reading souls in Confession, healings, etc.

True miracles.....not the faux miracles of Pentecostal "healers" such as Benny Hinn and the like

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2019, 12:51:56 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)

Absolutely inadequate response. 

Look, I am told by certain Roman Catholics (and especially by their history) that unless I am in the "true Church" and doomed to eternal fire. And the RC don't have a lock on this either. I have seen Orthodox sites which state the same thing, except that it is Orthodoxy which you must belong to or you are in deep kimchee.

And the history of the Church also seems to bear this out.  If we read the writings of the Early Fathers, they are very condemnatory towards anyone who is outside the Church, and especially to heretics. There is a dreadful next life waiting for anyone who is outside the Church which Christ established in His Blood.

Maybe this will help you understand how I feel about all this:

https://http4281.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/somebodys-lying/

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2019, 12:53:58 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Only two bodies have apostolic succession - Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy. All others are pretenders who broke away from the authority of the apostolic faith  So let's narrow this down please. My choice is between being "in communion" with Rome (which I find distasteful) and being Orthodox (which I know you would say I should be).

But the stories of the many saints in the Roman Church, their miracles, etc., gives me pause.

Offline PorphyriosK

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,175
  • Господи помилуй
  • Faith: Russian Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: ROCOR
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 01:09:27 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)

Absolutely inadequate response. 

Look, I am told by certain Roman Catholics (and especially by their history) that unless I am in the "true Church" and doomed to eternal fire. And the RC don't have a lock on this either. I have seen Orthodox sites which state the same thing, except that it is Orthodoxy which you must belong to or you are in deep kimchee.

And the history of the Church also seems to bear this out.  If we read the writings of the Early Fathers, they are very condemnatory towards anyone who is outside the Church, and especially to heretics. There is a dreadful next life waiting for anyone who is outside the Church which Christ established in His Blood.

Maybe this will help you understand how I feel about all this:

https://http4281.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/somebodys-lying/

God is merciful to those who sincerely seek the truth.  He's not eagerly awaiting to damn people for mistaking which side is right or wrong on certain issues.  Mistakes in discernment aren't the same as willful, deliberate sins.

Become more active in prayer and spirituality than in reading debates.  Debates often go nowhere.  God won't abandon you, just keep seeking Him with sincerity of heart and humility and ask Him to reveal the truth to you.   
« Last Edit: July 08, 2019, 01:11:24 PM by PorphyriosK »
"When you don’t live with Christ, you live in melancholy, in sorrow, in anxiety and in worry. You don’t live properly… The best medicine is to devote yourself to the worship of Christ. Everything is cured. Everything works properly."

~ St. Porphyrios


"The Church is indeed 'Apostolic'.  But the Church is also 'Patristic'.  And only by being 'Patristic' is the Church continuously 'Apostolic'."

~ Fr. Georges Florovsky

Offline Orthodox_Slav

  • A sinful servant of God.
  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,350
  • 1539: Seal of Ivan IV
  • Faith: Orthodox Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Moscow Patriarchate
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 02:10:44 PM »
With Catholics their "Miracles" such as Mary appearing to people and the such are the works of Demonic forces. Just my two cents 
"Two Romes fell, a third stands, and there will not be a fourth one."-Philotheus of Pskov

Christ is risen from the dead,
Trampling down death by death,
And upon those in the tombs
Bestowing life!- Paschal troparion

Offline LizaSymonenko

  • Слава Ісусу Христу!!! Glory to Jesus Christ!!!
  • Global Moderator
  • Hoplitarches
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,101
    • St.Mary the Protectress Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral
  • Faith: Eastern Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the U.S.A.
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2019, 03:02:39 PM »

First, be certain that what you are labeling a "miracle", is in fact a miracle... and is from God, and not the devil to deceive people.

Second, God makes the rain fall upon the saints and the sinners, and the sun to shine on both.

Three, don't question God.  Perhaps in allowing such miracles, he is slowly steering the individuals towards Orthodoxy.  MANY Orthodox were once atheists, who found the Roman Catholic Church... and with further study discovered the Orthodox Church and were illumined.

It is not for us to judge.  However, WE need to be careful about miracles.  We are told not to "buy in" to the miracle just because.  We are in fact told to doubt what we see as a miracle.  Doubt it again and again and again.

IF it is truly from GOD, He will continue pressing us and He will find a way to reach our understanding.

Don't let true miracles, fake miracles, rumors of miracles, lack of miracles... ever dissuade you from God's true and only Orthodox Church.
Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.
—St. Isaac of Syria

Offline LizaSymonenko

  • Слава Ісусу Христу!!! Glory to Jesus Christ!!!
  • Global Moderator
  • Hoplitarches
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,101
    • St.Mary the Protectress Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral
  • Faith: Eastern Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the U.S.A.
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2019, 03:03:07 PM »


Would someone care to explain why God would do miracles in the name of Jesus Christ through heretical bodies?


Because not everything is related to Orthodox Christianity.

...oh... but, it is.
Conquer evil men by your gentle kindness, and make zealous men wonder at your goodness. Put the lover of legality to shame by your compassion. With the afflicted be afflicted in mind. Love all men, but keep distant from all men.
—St. Isaac of Syria

Offline Almost_Orthodox

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 31
    • Muddling Through Life
  • Faith: Ukrainian Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Archeparchy of Philadelphia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2019, 03:06:52 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)

Absolutely inadequate response. 

Look, I am told by certain Roman Catholics (and especially by their history) that unless I am in the "true Church" and doomed to eternal fire. And the RC don't have a lock on this either. I have seen Orthodox sites which state the same thing, except that it is Orthodoxy which you must belong to or you are in deep kimchee.

And the history of the Church also seems to bear this out.  If we read the writings of the Early Fathers, they are very condemnatory towards anyone who is outside the Church, and especially to heretics. There is a dreadful next life waiting for anyone who is outside the Church which Christ established in His Blood.

Maybe this will help you understand how I feel about all this:

https://http4281.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/somebodys-lying/

God is merciful to those who sincerely seek the truth.  He's not eagerly awaiting to damn people for mistaking which side is right or wrong on certain issues.  Mistakes in discernment aren't the same as willful, deliberate sins.

Become more active in prayer and spirituality than in reading debates.  Debates often go nowhere.  God won't abandon you, just keep seeking Him with sincerity of heart and humility and ask Him to reveal the truth to you.

That has been my continuing prayer. I guess I just need to trust and wait.

Offline Ainnir

  • Section Moderator
  • Protokentarchos
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,458
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2019, 05:34:17 PM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)

Absolutely inadequate response. 

Look, I am told by certain Roman Catholics (and especially by their history) that unless I am in the "true Church" and doomed to eternal fire. And the RC don't have a lock on this either. I have seen Orthodox sites which state the same thing, except that it is Orthodoxy which you must belong to or you are in deep kimchee.

And the history of the Church also seems to bear this out.  If we read the writings of the Early Fathers, they are very condemnatory towards anyone who is outside the Church, and especially to heretics. There is a dreadful next life waiting for anyone who is outside the Church which Christ established in His Blood.

Maybe this will help you understand how I feel about all this:

https://http4281.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/somebodys-lying/

God is merciful to those who sincerely seek the truth.  He's not eagerly awaiting to damn people for mistaking which side is right or wrong on certain issues.  Mistakes in discernment aren't the same as willful, deliberate sins.

Become more active in prayer and spirituality than in reading debates.  Debates often go nowhere.  God won't abandon you, just keep seeking Him with sincerity of heart and humility and ask Him to reveal the truth to you.
Thank you.  ^^ This is a more perfect one, I think.  :)
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

Pray for me, a sinner.

Offline NewEnglandMan

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8
  • Faith: Roman Catholic
  • Jurisdiction: Burlington
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 06:27:00 PM »
I've had a similar struggle as "Almost Orthodox" for a long time (still kind of do). "Holy cow, if I choose wrong, God will make hot irons and pliers look like a day at the beach." I thought, prayed a ton, read a lot and talk to many people.

Still don't have much of a clue what is true. God has not revealed His nature to me as Jesus Christ in the Orthodox Church. I know of a couple of Orthodox seminarians who are converts. They have such certainty that God will guide all to Orthodoxy who truly seek. I've concluded God is a complete mystery as to what He plans, because most of those who truly seek Him don't end up Orthodox in my experience. What they end up as is often pretty random. Mormonism, Calvinism and Secular Buddhism are examples that come time mind.

I've cried my eyes out, prayed and asked for the grace of faith and have not received it. I love God. I trust that He will save me. Orthodoxy is a way to love God, it's not the way of salvation, God is Salvation itself. In the end, it's His choice what to do with me. Without the grace bestowed on others, not a whole lot he can honestly expect of me to get correct.

But in summary, when I believed God wanted to torture me if I got the wrong answer, I was also really stressed out all the time. Good luck moving through this.

Offline biro

  • Site Supporter
  • Stratopedarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 22,871
  • Excelsior
    • Archive of Our Own works
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 07:44:49 PM »
Good luck to you.
https://archiveofourown.org/users/Parakeetist/works Warning: stories have mature content.

"Some people only feel good when they are praising the Lord." - Coptic bishop

Mt. 21:31 Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you."

"Our Lord will *never* stop loving us." - Fr. Michael P.

Offline Ainnir

  • Section Moderator
  • Protokentarchos
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,458
  • Faith: Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Antiochian
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 09:58:39 PM »
Lord, have mercy on your servants.
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

Pray for me, a sinner.

Offline noahzarc1

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 595
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2019, 12:23:03 AM »
As one who wishes to find the true faith and enter the true Church, the miracles outside of Orthodoxy give me pause before I make my decision to "Swim the Bosphorus" so to speak.
Well invert that...how can the RCC or the SBC or the UMC or the whatever be the true faith if miracles happen outside of them?  That aside, all of creation is a miracle, in my opinion.  For the "extraordinary" miracles, I just assume that God does as He wills where He wills, because He's God.  :)

Absolutely perfect response Ainnir.  :)

Absolutely inadequate response. 

Look, I am told by certain Roman Catholics (and especially by their history) that unless I am in the "true Church" and doomed to eternal fire. And the RC don't have a lock on this either. I have seen Orthodox sites which state the same thing, except that it is Orthodoxy which you must belong to or you are in deep kimchee.

And the history of the Church also seems to bear this out.  If we read the writings of the Early Fathers, they are very condemnatory towards anyone who is outside the Church, and especially to heretics. There is a dreadful next life waiting for anyone who is outside the Church which Christ established in His Blood.

Maybe this will help you understand how I feel about all this:

https://http4281.wordpress.com/2018/11/03/somebodys-lying/
Are you the author of this blog post or you know/follow the author of this blog post? I'm trying to figure out when you said the link explains how you feel as to whether you actually wrote it or follow the writer.

Church fathers like St. Cyprian of Carthage wrote at a time before the schism. By the way, though 1054 is given as the hard date of the "schism" no one actually knows if that was the date. Many days I come down on the side of those who ask whether there really was a schism at all, perhaps if there was it could be as late as the 19th century after Vatican I. "Great Schism" is a nice way to draw up battle lines, get out your theological prowess and say "my side is right and your side is wrong." Both sides are guilty of it. That Orthodox and Catholic can talk here and in many public spheres of life to me proves there was perhaps no schism as much as differences of terminology that may or may never get worked out.

Anyway, whether anyone really likes it or not, the issue of the church (and salvation within and without) is what Rome attempted to address at Vatican II. Whether they were right or wrong in their conclusions, they did attempt to address it. Finding common ground has to start somewhere.

If both sides have miracles, then one can ascertain how God feels about the "schism" and perhaps one can ask, "What is God still doing with, in and through the Church." I believe Mark 9 was already quoted above. God be with you.
"While we fight about words, take advantage of ambiguities, criticize authors, fight on party questions, have difficulty in agreeing, and prepare to anathematize each other, there is scarce a man who belongs to Christ." - Hilary of Poitiers (367)

Offline Tannhouser

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 26
  • Faith: Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Inquirer
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2019, 07:53:29 AM »
In my 'studies' of the EOC, I've heard the following statement (not quoted perfectly): We know where the Church starts and ends, and know where the Holy Spirit begins, but don't know where it ends.

I wonder if the draw to the EOC from outside bodies is a miracle in itself? I don't proclaim to prescribe single events to the Holy Spirit per se, but I wouldn't doubt the Holy Spirit worked in a fashion to draw me.

Offline rakovsky

  • Toumarches
  • ************
  • Posts: 11,541
  • St. Mstislav I
    • The Old Testament Prophecies of the Messiah's Resurrection and Orthodox Christianity's roots in the Holy Land
  • Faith: Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Orthodox Church in America
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2019, 03:15:09 AM »
I wonder if the draw to the EOC from outside bodies is a miracle in itself?
Sure, sometimes people observe this, especially in times of people converting in unexpected circumstances.
The ocean, infinite to men, and the worlds beyond it, are directed by the same ordinances of the Lord. ~ I Clement 20

Offline jewish voice

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 904
  • Faith: Christian
  • Jurisdiction: Still dont know yet
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2020, 02:47:23 PM »
I am posting this in this section because, as my name states, I am almost Orthodox and still in the examination stage.  One thing that I find hard to understand is the miracles that have occurred outside of Orthodoxy. It would seem to me that if Orthodoxy is the Church, miracles should only occur in Orthodoxy. To allow those holding heretical opinions (Immaculate Conception, Indulgences, Salvation by "faith alone" etc) is a real stumbling block to people such as myself. I look at the miracles occurring outside Orthodox and wonder why they happen.

Would someone care to explain why God would do miracles in the name of Jesus Christ through heretical bodies?
you should never put your faith and hang it up on any type of miracles at all follow the Bible and what the church and her tradition has always taught to the faithful.

Offline Sethrak

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 3,594
  • Faith: Armenian Orthodox
  • Jurisdiction: Etchmiadzin, Armenia
Re: Miracles Outside of Orthodoxy
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2020, 05:50:44 PM »
Bravo Liza
...oh... but, it is.


God loves Christians where ever they are ~ if they be in prison or in some out of the way "Place" where Orthodoxy is not ```
Իմաստութիւն Հոր Յիսուս՝ տո՝ւր մեզ իաստուփին՝ զբարիս խորհել եւ խոսել եւ գործել առաջի Քո յամենայն ժամ : եւ ի չար խորհրդոց ի բանից եւ ի գործոց   փրկեա  զմեզ՝ ամէն:
Jesus, Wisdom of the Father, give us wisdom, to think, speak and do what is Good before you at all times. And save us from evil thoughts, words and deed, amen.