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Resources for learning Russian?
« on: May 23, 2019, 01:27:05 PM »
Now that I've finished grad school, I want to begin learning Russian. I'm primarily interested in literary/theological Russian, and I prefer textbooks that focus on grammar early. Has anyone used a text that they like or could recommend?
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2019, 01:38:16 PM »
I think you have to learn the letters and symbols.

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2019, 05:07:41 PM »
Have you tried duolingo?
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 05:48:25 PM »
Now that I've finished grad school, I want to begin learning Russian. I'm primarily interested in literary/theological Russian, and I prefer textbooks that focus on grammar early. Has anyone used a text that they like or could recommend?

Maybe the Evergtinos or small Russian philokalia? ..

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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2019, 10:05:22 PM »
Literary Russian was all Church Slavonic until the 1800s, right? I imagine you've got to learn modern Russian first then sort of work your way back.

But I don't speak Russian, so my ideas may be safely ignored.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2019, 05:44:16 AM »
There is no big difference, to learn modern Russian, or pre-revolutionary. But the Church Slavonic language will have to be taught as a separate/different one. At least, that's what say.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2019, 06:28:19 AM »
Literary Russian was all Church Slavonic until the 1800s, right? I imagine you've got to learn modern Russian first then sort of work your way back.

But I don't speak Russian, so my ideas may be safely ignored.

LOL, Church Slavonic is more based on South Slavic languaes plus it's an artifical, sacred langauge. Sure, high Russian has taken a lot from it, but it's not the same. I'd say medieval Serbian or even later one is closer to Church Slavonic.
Anyway, as isxdnik has written, Church Slavonic is a separate language.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2019, 04:47:03 PM »
You can see how liturgical Slavonic is in Russian.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2019, 09:16:00 PM »
Duolingo is fine. I use a Lonely Planet book too, but it has very dumb notes on pronunciation, so it only works because I had some little knowledge before picking it up.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2019, 12:38:16 PM »
Duolingo is fine. I use a Lonely Planet book too, but it has very dumb notes on pronunciation, so it only works because I had some little knowledge before picking it up.

Just listen to music. Worked for me in german.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sbnQ7qpmkI&
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2019, 10:37:25 PM »
Literary Russian was all Church Slavonic until the 1800s, right? I imagine you've got to learn modern Russian first then sort of work your way back.

But I don't speak Russian, so my ideas may be safely ignored.

LOL, Church Slavonic is more based on South Slavic languaes plus it's an artifical, sacred langauge. Sure, high Russian has taken a lot from it, but it's not the same. I'd say medieval Serbian or even later one is closer to Church Slavonic.
Anyway, as isxdnik has written, Church Slavonic is a separate language.

Yes, but wasn't it the literary language in Russia until the 17th or 18th century? This is what Wikipedia claims, at least.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2019, 01:23:25 PM »
Font. Not the language. Church Slavonic language is sacred in origin and application.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2019, 11:13:59 PM »
Now that I've finished grad school, I want to begin learning Russian. I'm primarily interested in literary/theological Russian, and I prefer textbooks that focus on grammar early. Has anyone used a text that they like or could recommend?
You want a reference grammmar?
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2019, 11:33:44 PM »
As for grammar, I like Schaum's outline.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2019, 12:10:50 AM »
In addition to the previous advice - go to where they prepare spies. The CIA?
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2019, 08:15:38 AM »
Now that I've finished grad school, I want to begin learning Russian. I'm primarily interested in literary/theological Russian, and I prefer textbooks that focus on grammar early. Has anyone used a text that they like or could recommend?
You want a reference grammmar?

Yes, in addition to a course.
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2019, 12:41:03 PM »
Now that I've finished grad school, I want to begin learning Russian. I'm primarily interested in literary/theological Russian, and I prefer textbooks that focus on grammar early. Has anyone used a text that they like or could recommend?
You want a reference grammmar?

Yes, in addition to a course.
On the reference grammar, Terrence Wade "A Comprehensive Russian Grammar," 3rd ed.
http://www.politicalavenue.com/languageschool/Russian%20Language%20Learning%20Pack%20(Updated)/43.A%20Comprehensive%20Russian%20Grammar%20(Blackwell).pdf
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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 01:20:48 AM »
Good for looking up Russian doctors.

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Re: Resources for learning Russian?
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2019, 02:49:13 PM »
Literary Russian was all Church Slavonic until the 1800s, right? I imagine you've got to learn modern Russian first then sort of work your way back.

But I don't speak Russian, so my ideas may be safely ignored.

LOL, Church Slavonic is more based on South Slavic languages plus it's an artificial, sacred language. Sure, high Russian has taken a lot from it, but it's not the same. I'd say medieval Serbian or even later one is closer to Church Slavonic.
Anyway, as isxdnik has written, Church Slavonic is a separate language.

This is true.  When I studied Old Church Slavonic at university the minimum entrance requirements were two years of university courses of Russian or Bulgarian or Serbian or Ukrainian.  It is an artificial language: created to be a written and read language.
In the attachments I have included pictures of the Church Slavonic alphabet, a prayer in Church Slavonic and the original Glagolitic alphabet. 

As for learning Russian I would advise that you just sign up for the first year course at your nearest university.  When I was in grad school I signed up for an intensive Reading Course in Russian for 6 weeks in which we translated texts into English: using both the modern orthography and the pre-revolutionary orthography.  But the prerequisite for this was other courses in Russian. 

If you are just interested in learning Church Slavonic to understand the church services then I recommend this site here: www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/lrc/eieol/ocsol-0-X.html




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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2019, 08:35:26 PM »
It is an artificial language: created to be a written and read language.
No, it is not.
Just like Latin or Attic Greek, it ended up that way, though.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2019, 07:49:29 PM »
It would be more precise to say Church Slavonic was developed than created. It might be grossly comparable to Modern Standard Arabic, since both have their origins in formalised ancient languages that suffered the effect of time, although not in the same pace of the respective spoken languages.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2019, 09:09:54 PM »
It would be more precise to say Church Slavonic was developed than created. It might be grossly comparable to Modern Standard Arabic, since both have their origins in formalised ancient languages that suffered the effect of time, although not in the same pace of the respective spoken languages.

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2019, 06:48:51 AM »
It would be more precise to say Church Slavonic was developed than created. It might be grossly comparable to Modern Standard Arabic, since both have their origins in formalised ancient languages that suffered the effect of time, although not in the same pace of the respective spoken languages.

or rather adapted to be universal for Slavs, being based on South Slavic dialects, and adapted for new religion, Anyway, yeah, I see some similarities with Arabic Fusha, but it's not MSA (MSA it's for our modern times, it was Classical Arabic that time). And it's funny, that both langauges and their adaptation/codyfing happened in quite similar time.
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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2019, 08:31:35 PM »
- How the Church adapted to Modern Times although Ancient -

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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2019, 03:19:56 PM »
This is pretty nice. Mess around with this website: https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/fsi.html
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