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Offline Linus7

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Okay, where is everybody?
« on: March 04, 2003, 01:38:59 AM »
Excuse this goofy topic; but where have you all gone?

I like this web site, but I cannot post much until somebody else says something!

We need some posts here, folks!  ::)
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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2003, 01:59:01 AM »
Excuse this goofy topic; but where have you all gone?

I like this web site, but I cannot post much until somebody else says something!

We need some posts here, folks!  ::)

Linus, you think this is bad?  Just wait until next week when we all go into "Great Fast" mode!!!    ;)

Btw, happy Cheesefare Week y'all!  I enjoyed a great "maslenitsa" at my church after Divine Liturgy yesteday.  Kielbasa and blini were the main entre items.

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2003, 07:01:06 AM »
Excuse this goofy topic; but where have you all gone?

I like this web site, but I cannot post much until somebody else says something!

We need some posts here, folks!  ::)

Well Linus,

I have been participating in the new thread on the Rosary, and Protestant Seeker has opened up a new thread on the Liturgy.

Also, modesty forbids me from mentioning the obscure and useless information which is my stock-in-trade on St David and the cross of St Brigid ;)

Shall I look out something else on Dave Hunt to cheer you up?

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2003, 08:11:12 AM »
Yes, I think with the Great Fast soon upon us, we will be seeing a drastic increase in the number of posters. I also found that certain periods during the month are less prone to visitors. Since Spring Break is around the corner, parents might be staying home with kids, vacation, etc.

It'll pick up soon, it comes in spurts :)

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2003, 11:18:37 AM »
Sorry, Linus, I just didn't have anything to say about Kucinich, or such. My mother taught me that having 2 ears and one mouth was significant re listening vs. talking.  :)

Otoh, with 2 eyes and 10 fingers (or would it be 2 hands) I'm not sure how to apply that it posting.  ;D

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2003, 01:38:14 PM »
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Shall I look out something else on Dave Hunt to cheer you up?

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Yes, Brigid, you could do that!  ;D

I will have to check out the threads on the Rosary and the Liturgy you were talking about, as well.

I have been visiting CBBS, but I get tired of arguing with Protestants all the time. I prefer to come here for actual edification.
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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2003, 01:46:40 PM »

Btw, happy Cheesefare Week y'all!  I enjoyed a great "maslenitsa" at my church after Divine Liturgy yesteday.  Kielbasa and blini were the main entre items.

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Dear-to-Christ Hypo-Ortho,

Maslenitsa by the Orthodox (Julian) computation is not until March 9th this year.  Cheesfare = Maslenitsa/-£-¦-ü-+-¦-+-+-Ã¥-¦. This past Sunday, March 2nd, was Meatfare for the overwhelming majority of Orthodox. (Finland and isolated parishes elsewhere excepted.)    Are you in Finland?  Are you Catholic?

For those who observed Meatfare on Sunday, no meat will be eaten until Pascha, certainly not on Cheesefare.

To me it really doen't matter much, my curiosity comes from your post.

Tony
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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2003, 04:20:33 PM »
Pardon the most likely silly question, but what is CBBS?

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2003, 04:39:24 PM »

Btw, happy Cheesefare Week y'all!  I enjoyed a great "maslenitsa" at my church after Divine Liturgy yesteday.  Kielbasa and blini were the main entre items.

Hypo-Ortho

Dear-to-Christ Hypo-Ortho,

Maslenitsa by the Orthodox (Julian) computation is not until March 9th this year.  Cheesfare = Maslenitsa/-£-¦-ü-+-¦-+-+-Ã¥-¦. This past Sunday, March 2nd, was Meatfare for the overwhelming majority of Orthodox. (Finland and isolated parishes elsewhere excepted.)    Are you in Finland?  Are you Catholic?

For those who observed Meatfare on Sunday, no meat will be eaten until Pascha, certainly not on Cheesefare.

To me it really doen't matter much, my curiosity comes from your post.

Tony


Dear in Christ, Tony,

Slava Isusu Christu!

No, I am not in Finland, and I am indeed Orthodox (OCA).  Since my parish is having Forgiveness Vespers immediately after Divine Liturgy next Sunday (Cheesefare/Forgiveness Sunday), March 9, it had its Maslenitsa on March 2, which was Meatfare Sunday, but we are still in Cheesefare Week, as I posted elsewhere.  A ROCOR parish I know of had its Maslenitsa three days before ours for the same reason!

In one of my previous parishes on Forgiveness (Cheesefare) Sunday, they would have Divine Liturgy, then Blini dinner (maslenitsa), THEN Forgiveness Vespers.

In another parish, every year the Orthodox priest mistakenly forbids his parishioners from indulging in dairy products even during Cheesefare Week!

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2003, 05:17:48 PM »
Hypo, our practice will be similar to your previous parish.  After Divine Liturgy, we will have an extended coffee hour with blini and other cheesefare treats(probably omelets and quiches), with Forgiveness Vespers following immediately thereafter.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2003, 05:24:40 PM »
Pardon the most likely silly question, but what is CBBS?

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Patrick,

CBBS is the acronym for Christianity.com Bulletin Board System.  It is a discussion board with a "Mere Christianity" focus, but seems to be taken over with Protestant Evangelicals who like to call other Christians heretical, especially Catholics and Orthodox.  Linus, Oblio, Aklie, and others are attempting to fight the good fight to answer ignorant misinformation about us and present the Church of Christ to those who may have never heard of the Orthodox Church outside of the sponser of ethnic food festivals.  If you decide to participate in the site, please maintain a kind and patient demeanor.  It seems that we have made an impression on that site by taking the high road and not debasing ourselves in namecalling and posting inflamitory photos as some have.  The site may be found at www.christianbbs.com or http://forums.christianity.com.  If you want more information, see the To the Orthodox Apologists thread.
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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2003, 05:44:01 PM »
Hypo, our practice will be similar to your previous parish.  After Divine Liturgy, we will have an extended coffee hour with blini and other cheesefare treats(probably omelets and quiches), with Forgiveness Vespers following immediately thereafter.

Yes, Amator (David?), and if we take the words of the Stikhera of the Vespers of Forgiveness literally ("Lex orandi, lex credendi est"), we formally enter into the Great Fast ("with joy") during that Service and should no more eat dairy products until Holy Pascha, if we are among those who keep the Fast strictly in all aspects.  I prefer the practice you currently have in your parish and in my former parish, btw.

In another parish where Forgiveness Vespers immediately follows Cheesefare Sunday Liturgy, some worshippers hurriedly leave after Liturgy so as to not be caught attending the Forgiveness Vespers and so be bound by the rules of the Great Fast until sometime in the evening!  But they also miss the important and moving Rite of Forgiveness, so necessary for a good start on the Lenten journey to Pascha.  Oh, I'm afraid the Pharisees are still among us!  And in some years, I was to be found among them, I must confess!    :'(

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2003, 06:11:03 PM »
Hypo,

For as long as I've been a member at this parish(5 years) we've had the same practice of Forgiveness Vespers following Coffee Hour, with almost no one ever leaving before Forgiveness Vespers.  The primary reason why is that Fr. Marcus makes clear during each of his after liturgy announcements that Forgiveness Vespers is one of the most important services of the year for the community and that at St. Vladimir's students are told that if they do not attend Forgiveness Vespers they may be asked to leave the school(not sure if this has ever happened, though).  He treats it very seriously, but if a person honestly cannot make the service(we have a courier who is always on call and is 95% sure he will be on the road at the time) Fr. Marcus asks that person to make peace with the people in their lives before they go, so that all of might start the fast with a "clean slate"(my words not his).  

Our rite of forgiveness at the end is a very moving experience as well.  As I have never attended this rite at another parish, I'm not sure if what we do is standard.  After the benediction at the end of Vespers, Fr. Jacob walks up to Fr. Marcus at the ambvon where they ask each other to forgive them and exchange three kisses.  The readers get in line after Fr. Jacob and everyone else behind the readers.  When you approach someone, we do a metania and say "forgive me (name)" to which that person replies "God forgives," and we kiss three times.  After you go past the last person you join the chain yourself.  At the end, we surround the entire perimeter of the building in one long chain of forgiveness and kissing.  Many of us shed tears at such a joyous and cleansing event.  

What is your Rite of Forgiveness like?
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2003, 06:26:55 PM »
Amator Dei<<What is your Rite of Forgiveness like?>>

EXACTLY like yours, David.  By the end of the Rite of Forgiveness, not only am I in discomfort from the prostrations done to the ground before the priest, the archdeacon, and *each* parishioner, but I am bathed in sweat and tears!  

Any year in which I *intentionally* missed the Forgiveness Vespers (to delay refraining form dairy products, poor excuse!!!) with this moving rite, I reproached myself and made it a point to confess it in the Mystery of Repentance/Confession as soon as possible afterwards.

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Re:Okay, where is everybody?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2003, 07:58:37 PM »
Dear in Christ, Tony,

Slava Isusu Christu!

No, I am not in Finland, and I am indeed Orthodox (OCA).  Since my parish is having Forgiveness Vespers immediately after Divine Liturgy next Sunday (Cheesefare/Forgiveness Sunday), March 9, it had its Maslenitsa on March 2, which was Meatfare Sunday, but we are still in Cheesefare Week, as I posted elsewhere.  A ROCOR parish I know of had its Maslenitsa three days before ours for the same reason!

In one of my previous parishes on Forgiveness (Cheesefare) Sunday, they would have Divine Liturgy, then Blini dinner (maslenitsa), THEN Forgiveness Vespers.

In another parish, every year the Orthodox priest mistakenly forbids his parishioners from indulging in dairy products even during Cheesefare Week!

Hypo-Ortho

Dear-in-the-Lord Hypo,

Slava na v'iki!

I see.  Your parish had its Maslenitsa event on Meatfare Sunday.  

I wish you a pleasant rest of Cheesfare week.

Tony
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2003, 08:07:57 PM »
TonyS<<I see.  Your parish had its Maslenitsa event on Meatfare Sunday.>>

Correct, Tony.  It is not too uncommon in the parishes in New England to do so, whether ROCOR or OCA.  But they still refer to the pre-Lenten meal as "maslenitsa," even if it is held on Meatfare Sunday rather than the Sunday of Cheesefare (Forgiveness) (These crazy Russians!   :D).  They say "farewell" to meat at this Meatfare Sunday "maslenitsa," and have some blini as an entre also to introduce Cheesfare Week.

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2003, 12:48:06 AM »
Pardon the most likely silly question, but what is CBBS?

Patrick

Patrick,

CBBS is the acronym for Christianity.com Bulletin Board System.  It is a discussion board with a "Mere Christianity" focus, but seems to be taken over with Protestant Evangelicals who like to call other Christians heretical, especially Catholics and Orthodox.  Linus, Oblio, Aklie, and others are attempting to fight the good fight to answer ignorant misinformation about us and present the Church of Christ to those who may have never heard of the Orthodox Church outside of the sponser of ethnic food festivals.  If you decide to participate in the site, please maintain a kind and patient demeanor.  It seems that we have made an impression on that site by taking the high road and not debasing ourselves in namecalling and posting inflamitory photos as some have.  The site may be found at www.christianbbs.com or http://forums.christianity.com.  If you want more information, see the To the Orthodox Apologists thread.

Many thanks.  I would certainly say that this approach sounds like the best one, and I would not want to affect that in any way.  However, considering my current situation of seeking acceptance in Orthodoxy and therefore beginning all over again in learning I doubt that such debate sites would be for me.  I was really only curious about what was meant.  And thanks again for clueing me in.

Patrick