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Two Karmapas issue joint statement
« on: October 12, 2018, 09:45:09 AM »
For those unfamiliar with this situation, the Karma Kagyu lineage is one of the major Buddhist lineages in Tibet and it is headed by the Karmapa, a reincarnated lama (tulku). When the 16th Karmapa died in 1981 a power struggle ensued between the top lamas and eventually two different Karmapas were recognized by different factions, resulting in a schism. For the first time the two young men met yesterday and issued a joint statement.

Earlier this year, one of the karmapas, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, gave a speech which seemed to indicate that he was not very happy as the Karmapa and that his development as a person had been stunted by the office being imposed on him from such a young age. He is not the first tulku to hint at such discontentment- back in 2011, the 2nd Kalu Rinpoche (another high Kagyu reincarnated lama) revealed he had been sexually abused by monks as a child.

Here is the joint statement of the Karmapas:

We are both very pleased to have had this opportunity to meet and get to know each other in a peaceful and relaxed environment. We both had this wish for many years, and we are gratified that this wish has now been fulfilled.
The purpose of our meeting was primarily to spend time together so that we could establish a personal relationship. We were able to talk together freely and to learn about each other for the first time. We were thus able to begin what we expect will develop into a strong connection.

While we were together we also talked about ways that we could work to heal the divisions that have unfortunately developed within our precious Karma Kagyu lineage in recent years. We view it as our duty and responsibility to do whatever we can to bring the lineage together.

This undertaking is critically important for the future of the Karma Kagyu lineage as well as for the future of Tibetan Buddhism and the benefit of all sentient beings. We therefore ask everyone within the Karma Kagyu community to join us in our efforts to strengthen and preserve our lineage. We view it as our collective responsibility to restore harmony to our tradition which is a lineage of wisdom and compassion.

His Holiness Ogyen Trinley Dorje    His Holiness Trinley Thaye Dorje
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Re: Two Karmapas issue joint statement
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 10:43:34 AM »
One of the Karmapas, Karmapa Thaye Dorje, recently had a baby son. (Apparently, a few other Karmapas of the past have been fathers.) Perhaps the birth of a son influenced the decision to meet with the other Karmapa.

Sangyumla and I are overjoyed to announce the birth of our first child.
I have spoken often of the unconditional love of a mother as one of the best examples of courage and compassion. Being present for the birth of our first child, I was deeply honoured to witness the dignity, courage and spiritual strength of Sangyumla – qualities that are present in all mothers around the world. Therefore, just as a mother’s love for her children knows no bounds, may there be no limits to our love for our mothers.
The experience of becoming a father has further strengthened my inspiration and aspirations as Karmapa. In some ways, I have always been in a parental role, as head of the Karma Kagyu family. Now this spiritual role and title of Karmapa, and the responsibilities that come with it, are clearer than ever before. I will continue to try and preserve our precious lineage, a lineage of wisdom and compassion, with all my heart.
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Re: Two Karmapas issue joint statement
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 11:00:52 AM »
“Karmapa embracing schism”
"I saw a miracle where 2 people entered church one by baptism and one by chrismation. On pictures the one received by full baptism was shinning in light the one by chrismation no."