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Vladimir Legoida, a Russian Church spokesman, said the Holy Synod had decided to suspend its participation in all structures chaired or co-chaired by representatives of the Patriarchate of Constantinople.

It is also suspending all services with top priests of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and will not commemorate the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I in its services, Legoida wrote on social media, summarizing the outcome of the meeting.

“Essentially this is a breakdown of relations. To take an example from secular life, the decision is roughly equivalent to cutting diplomatic ties,” the Russian Church’s Metropolitan Ilarion was quoted by RIA news agency as saying.

http://byztex.blogspot.com/2018/09/russian-church-ceases-commemorating-ep.html?m=1
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2018, 03:27:35 PM »
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2018, 03:31:23 PM »
The situation is bad but it's not breakdown of relations. We're not there yet. Ordinary priests can, say, still concelebrate as freely as they've previously did.
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2018, 04:18:50 PM »
Just to put things into perspective, there have been many breaches of communion, between various Orthodox churches before, such as between the EP and Greece in 2004 in a dispute over dioceses in Northern Greece, or more recently the ongoing schism between Jerusalem and Antioch. And of course there are many older examples. Those who want to maintain that union with Rome somehow guards against these schisms will have to explain the schisms that occurred throughout the first millennium. Usually these do not result in a church-wide schism and are healed within time. No one can foresee what will happen with this present dispute but I doubt it will be the earth-shaking event some are portending, unless the MP or EP start forcing other churches to pick a side, which seems highly unlikely to me.  Unless you are in some border area where you are passing from parishes of one jurisdiction to another, this will likely have no effect on you.
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2018, 07:13:36 PM »
Just to put things into perspective, there have been many breaches of communion, between various Orthodox churches before, such as between the EP and Greece in 2004 in a dispute over dioceses in Northern Greece, or more recently the ongoing schism between Jerusalem and Antioch. And of course there are many older examples. Those who want to maintain that union with Rome somehow guards against these schisms will have to explain the schisms that occurred throughout the first millennium. Usually these do not result in a church-wide schism and are healed within time. No one can foresee what will happen with this present dispute but I doubt it will be the earth-shaking event some are portending, unless the MP or EP start forcing other churches to pick a side, which seems highly unlikely to me.  Unless you are in some border area where you are passing from parishes of one jurisdiction to another, this will likely have no effect on you.

I think you are right.

Unfortunately, the OP did not post the story from the MP web site but from a blog. 
Readers should note that if you go to the MP news web site in English you can read that eucharistic union between the EP & MP has not been suspended.


https://mospat.ru/en/2018/09/14/news163805/

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–  You are speaking about the suspension of liturgical mention. It does not mean the suspension of the Eucharistic communion, does it? That is, can the faithful still take communion together?

–  The decision of the Holy Synod to suspend the liturgical mention of the Patriarch of Constantinople’s name during the liturgy and the fact that we suspend con-celebration with hierarchs of the Patriarchate of Constantinople does not imply a full breaking-off of the Eucharistic communion. The lay people who come to Mount Athos or find themselves in churches of the Patriarchate of Constantinople can take communion in them. But we refuse to concelebrate with hierarchs of the Patriarchate of Constantinople since every time they mention the name of their Patriarch during the liturgy while we have suspended it.
https://mospat.ru/en/2018/09/14/news163805/
 

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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2018, 07:23:07 PM »
Seems a little petty to me in the grand scheme of things, but I guess it's the only real non-damaging way of protesting that they have.
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2018, 08:59:34 PM »
It's reported that the EP also directed a bishop not to concelebrate.
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Re: Russian Church No Longer Will Commemorate EP Bartholomew in the Liturgy
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2018, 10:07:24 PM »
It's reported that the EP also directed a bishop not to concelebrate.

When I read the article it says that the EP Bishop was asked not to concelebrate at a Serbian liturgy because there were Russian bishops in attendance.
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