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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2018, 12:43:17 PM »
Yes. Yes you did, sir.

You also seem to have lied about it before. Thus I don't trust you to be sincere now.


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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 12:52:38 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 12:57:07 PM »
Yes. Yes you did, sir.

You also seem to have lied about it before.

How did things proceed from there?
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 01:28:41 PM »
Yes. Yes you did, sir.

You also seem to have lied about it before.

How did things proceed from there?

I don't think there really was a follow-up, just silence. I could be misinformed, though. At any rate, it indicates to me that this Pope is a deceiver. So, I can't really take today's statement as anything but crocodile tears.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 01:37:16 PM »
After lots of pressure he apologized for misreading the situation and jumping to conclusions, on the basis of insufficient evidence. He does not mention, in his apology, his receipt of the letter prior to his snap judgment in defense of Barros. So I'd say Volnutt's assessment is fair.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2018, 02:06:32 PM »
Sad. I had been dimly aware that he wasn't nearly active enough in backing up the claims about wanting to set things right, but I hadn't known about specific situations like that.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 11:25:13 PM »


Sad but true.

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions. 
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 03:16:06 AM »


Sad but true.

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions.

True, but it's not such a widespread problem. Something about the culture in Roman Catholicism breeds bad apples.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 01:25:32 PM »


Sad but true.

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions.

True, but it's not such a widespread problem.

How do you know?
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 02:28:16 PM »


Sad but true.

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions.

True, but it's not such a widespread problem.

How do you know?


Well, we hadn't learn about a similar widespread paedophile and gay subculture in orthodox circles, probably there are isolated cases here and there, like in every other place of planet earth. I believe that certain cultural, pastoral, liturgical and social characteristics of the RCC, made it more atractive to homossexuals and paedophiles.

I will point some topics comparing western and eastern practices that in my view my play a role in the problem, just remembering that it is MY perception:

-In western liturgies, I noticed that sometimes there is one adult priest, 2 or 3 teenage acolytes and several younger altar boys in their child age; in the eastern tradition, there are more grown ups participating in the liturgy, wich can act as a deterrent of bad behavior.

-Lots of teenagers not fully sexually developed, with the typical hormonal storm inside the seminaries; in contrast with orthodox seminaries that have older and more mature seminarians, some of them married or engaged.

-The unified characteristic of the roman church also may contribute to the cover up culture, one scandal in the roman church stains the public image of everyone, the regular priest till the pope; the dispersed power structure of the orthodox church, her diverse ethnic backgrounds and relative autonomy of the patriarchates also may help to avoid the cover-up culture.


I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.



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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 02:52:25 PM »
Yes. Yes you did, sir.

You also seem to have lied about it before. Thus I don't trust you to be sincere now.


In the words of the illustrious Tyra Banks, "I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you."

Oh, no. So Pope Francis isn't your Messiah after all?
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 04:41:57 PM »


Well, we hadn't learn about a similar widespread paedophile and gay subculture in orthodox circles, probably there are isolated cases here and there, like in every other place of planet earth. I believe that certain cultural, pastoral, liturgical and social characteristics of the RCC, made it more atractive to homossexuals and paedophiles.

I will point some topics comparing western and eastern practices that in my view my play a role in the problem, just remembering that it is MY perception:

-In western liturgies, I noticed that sometimes there is one adult priest, 2 or 3 teenage acolytes and several younger altar boys in their child age; in the eastern tradition, there are more grown ups participating in the liturgy, wich can act as a deterrent of bad behavior.

-Lots of teenagers not fully sexually developed, with the typical hormonal storm inside the seminaries; in contrast with orthodox seminaries that have older and more mature seminarians, some of them married or engaged.

-The unified characteristic of the roman church also may contribute to the cover up culture, one scandal in the roman church stains the public image of everyone, the regular priest till the pope; the dispersed power structure of the orthodox church, her diverse ethnic backgrounds and relative autonomy of the patriarchates also may help to avoid the cover-up culture.


I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.

Interesting viewpoint.  You do raise a good question about Eastern Catholic Churches as well.

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2018, 05:33:06 PM »
Yes. Yes you did, sir.

You also seem to have lied about it before. Thus I don't trust you to be sincere now.


In the words of the illustrious Tyra Banks, "I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you."

Oh, no. So Pope Francis isn't your Messiah after all?

You assume that I ever thought he was. I was cautiously optimistic about how he'd handle sex abuse (just like I was about Pope JP II, actually), is all.
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^Using "your" in the general sense here. 
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2018, 05:49:13 PM »
I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.

I don’t know about Europe and the Middle East, but sadly in America we were not immune.  Each of my Metropolia’s eparchies had a couple of cases a piece, the Melkites had one very recently.  There were two convictions in my Archeparchy.  One in the 80s and another just a couple of years ago, both were laicized.  Two other priests were laicized for having credible allegations but no cases brought against them.  The recent case was for possessing child porn, he hadn’t molested any children.  He had been a priest about a year. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2018, 05:56:34 PM »

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions.

True, but it's not such a widespread problem. Something about the culture in Roman Catholicism breeds bad apples.

Hard to tell without an investigation, as long as things stay in the realm of anecdotal evidence. Lots of people have stories and haven't even said anything.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2018, 06:50:54 PM »

To be fair, all you'd have to do is change the vestments a bit and the same cartoon would be applicable to many Orthodox jurisdictions.

True, but it's not such a widespread problem. Something about the culture in Roman Catholicism breeds bad apples.

Hard to tell without an investigation, as long as things stay in the realm of anecdotal evidence.

You're not wrong, but that's also the kind of statement that abusers love to hide behind, not that you intended it that way of course. *Sigh*
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2018, 07:01:58 PM »
The Greek hierarchy in Jerusalem would probably come out very badly if an earnest and independent investigation were to happen there. Their contempt for their flock and for accountability almost guarantee it.
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2018, 07:16:00 PM »
The Greek hierarchy in Jerusalem would probably come out very badly if an earnest and independent investigation were to happen there. Their contempt for their flock and for accountability almost guarantee it.

Well, I'm sad for the situation in the JP and how bad they treat their arab flock, but if something like a widespread child abuse network was happening there I think that would be public already, Jerusalem is a place with lots of interethnic and interconfessional tensions. I read about the real estate manipulation of the greek clergy, the hostility towards arabs and copts and profit from real estate bussiness with israeli settlers, but never a paedophile scandal or something like that.

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Samn!, if you're out there, I remember you mentioning something about rumors of abuse in the Jerusalem Patriarchate. Perhaps you could fill us in.
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Samn!, if you're out there, I remember you mentioning something about rumors of abuse in the Jerusalem Patriarchate. Perhaps you could fill us in.

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2018, 08:21:10 PM »
Samn!, if you're out there, I remember you mentioning something about rumors of abuse in the Jerusalem Patriarchate. Perhaps you could fill us in.

Are you refering to me or someone named Samn?

The latter.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2018, 08:28:02 PM »
https://neoskosmos.com/en/114284/greek-orthodox-bishop-involved-in-sex-scandal/

I found this...not exactly a widespread child abuse case, but scandalous nevertheless.

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2018, 08:36:59 PM »
https://neoskosmos.com/en/114284/greek-orthodox-bishop-involved-in-sex-scandal/

I found this...not exactly a widespread child abuse case, but scandalous nevertheless.

If you really want to go digging, there's a whole website about it. Though I recommend hiding all the sharp objects in the house, first.

That having been said, it's not as bad as in the RCC (that we know of... yet). So thank God for that.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2018, 08:38:27 PM »
https://neoskosmos.com/en/114284/greek-orthodox-bishop-involved-in-sex-scandal/

I found this...not exactly a widespread child abuse case, but scandalous nevertheless.

If you really want to go digging, there's a whole website about it. Though I recommend hiding all the sharp objects in the house, first.

That having been said, it's not as bad as in the RCC (that we know of... yet). So thank God for that.


https://www.pokrov.org/

I think this is the site you are looking for, but it is not exclusively about sexual crimes, but all types of crimes.

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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2018, 08:39:21 PM »
Yep.
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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2018, 09:42:45 PM »
https://neoskosmos.com/en/114284/greek-orthodox-bishop-involved-in-sex-scandal/

I found this...not exactly a widespread child abuse case, but scandalous nevertheless.

At least it was with a consenting adult woman.
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2018, 01:14:49 AM »
I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.
It depends on the eparchy.  Some of those Churches don't have their own seminary, so they either send their candidates to another Eastern Church's or to the Latin Church's, where they might get engulfed in the rot typically found in them (v. https://is.gd/B75UHO).  Most rely on a mix of secular college for non theological subjects, such as philosophy, and and of their own professors for theology.

However, some Eastern Catholic bishops love to hobnob with their powerful and wealthy Latin colleagues and have adopted some of the same rot, in my anecdotal experience.  Enough said.
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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2018, 07:11:37 AM »
I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.
It depends on the eparchy.  Some of those Churches don't have their own seminary, so they either send their candidates to another Eastern Church's or to the Latin Church's, where they might get engulfed in the rot typically found in them (v. https://is.gd/B75UHO).  Most rely on a mix of secular college for non theological subjects, such as philosophy, and and of their own professors for theology.

However, some Eastern Catholic bishops love to hobnob with their powerful and wealthy Latin colleagues and have adopted some of the same rot, in my anecdotal experience.  Enough said.

What about the middle east? Do the melkites, maronites, catholic syriacs, chaldean have this problem in their homeland Lebanon/Syria/Iraq?

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2018, 07:55:41 AM »
I wonder if the eastern catholics churches, melkites, maronites...have the same problem of their latin counterparts.
It depends on the eparchy.  Some of those Churches don't have their own seminary, so they either send their candidates to another Eastern Church's or to the Latin Church's, where they might get engulfed in the rot typically found in them (v. https://is.gd/B75UHO).  Most rely on a mix of secular college for non theological subjects, such as philosophy, and and of their own professors for theology.

However, some Eastern Catholic bishops love to hobnob with their powerful and wealthy Latin colleagues and have adopted some of the same rot, in my anecdotal experience.  Enough said.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2018, 09:10:00 PM »
Ruthenians, Ukrainians, Maronites, and Chaldeans all have our own seminaries.  Melkite and Romanians use ours.  I think the Armenians, Syriacs, Syro-Malabars, Syro-Malankars, Copts, Ethiopians, and Eritreans use the seminaries in their home territory.  For Philosophy most if not all Ruthenians go to Duquesne University if they don’t have a degree, the Ukrainians and Maronites use Catholic University of America, I believe.  There are agreements between the seminaries and universities for reduced tuition. These does, at least with us, most seminarians are entering later and already have a bachelor degree.  If it is a non-philosophy/theology degree, they may make you take a year of that before starting on your M Div.
Thank you for the detailed information.

What about the middle east? Do the melkites, maronites, catholic syriacs, chaldean have this problem in their homeland Lebanon/Syria/Iraq?
I'm not familiar with the situation in the original territories, even of my former Church.
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