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https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2018/06/23/documents-detail-vatican-crackdown-in-troubled-indian-archdiocese/

Pope Francis is now personally interfering in the operation of a Sui Juris Eastern Catholic church, by appointing an Apostolic Administrator for the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church.   This is, as many of you know, the East Syriac Rite church that was taken over by the Roman Catholics following the Portuguese conquest in India, prompting those dedicated to preserving Orthodoxy in India to swear the Coonan Cross Oath and contact the Syriac Patriarchate of Antioch.   The first bishop Antioch sent, Mar Ahatullah, was abducted and murdered by the Jesuits, but his successor made it through, and the modern day Syriac Orthodox church in India was created, albeit switching to the West Syriac liturgical tradition (we also briefly had a Western Rite in Sri Lanka, but this disappeared many decades ago, and I cannot recall the pastoral rationale behind its creation; it was with that entity that Rene Villatte was ordained Mor Timotheos, and thus became a part of the Syriac Orthodox church until he decided to ignore our canons and ordain another bishop without permission from Antioch).   The Syriac church in India is alas divided; there is a schism between the Jacobite Church, under the Maphrian and the Patriarch of Antioch, and the Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church under the Catholicos of India, also known as the Indian Orthodox Church, to which belongs our right beloved moderator Mor Ephrem, and a more substantial schism between these churches and the Mar Thoma Syrian Church, an entity created by the Anglicans using money stolen from the Orthodox by the British East India Company during the early days of the Raj, and Thooyizor, the Independent Syrian Church, which uses the traditional liturgy but which is effectively in communion with the Mar Thoma church, which is basically Anglican with Syriac styled liturgy, and which in turn is in communion with the Anglican/Protestant Church of South India.

These subsequent schisms were unfortunate, but things would have been far worse for the Indian Orthodox had they not declared independence from the Roman church.  I was under the misapprehension that the Sui Juris churches were supposed to be autonomous, and that the whole point of having these churches with their own archbishops or Patriarchs was to provide a degree of separation between them and the Pope.   It now appears that the promises made at Vatican II concerning the autonomy of these churches are worthless, and that there is literally nothing stopping Pope Francis from, at any time, promulgating any edict or issuing any demand he can conceive of upon these churches.   The misconduct of the Cardinal warranted a response, but the direct intervention of Pope Francis comes across as a huge overleap.

I think Eastern Catholics should consider that not only are they unjustly loathed by many Latin Rite Catholics, as was demonstrated by their abusive removal from Catholic Answers, which brought many of them to us, but also, that they do not actually posess the autonomy from the Pope that they think they posess.  Rather, they are merely isolated, it would seem, from automatic subordination to various curial organs of the Vatican, such as the Congregation for Divine Worship, but even this seems uncertain in the grand scheme of things.  It is obvious they possess nothing approaching autocephaly, even where their leader posesses the title of Patriarch, and this incident has the effect of completely legitimizing the refusal of the Antiochian Orthodox to enter into communion with the Melkites, and the Assyrian Church of the East to enter into communion with the Chaldean Catholics, who are the closest ecclesiastical relatives of the Syro Malabar church.
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Re: Syro-Malabar Scandal Shows why the Coonan Cross Oath was Needed
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2018, 12:22:56 PM »
that [vulgarism removed] pope!

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Re: Syro-Malabar Scandal Shows why the Coonan Cross Oath was Needed
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2018, 06:04:31 PM »
The Coonan Cross Oath was necessary because Catholics are heretics and the Portuguese were murderous thugs (who nevertheless have beautiful women and decent food).  The Orthodox are quite capable of all manner of malfeasance.  All the Coonan Cross Oaths in the world won’t change that.

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Re: Syro-Malabar Scandal Shows why the Coonan Cross Oath was Needed
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2018, 08:39:26 PM »
Even more off-topic, Rome seemed ok with him saying the Catholic Church today holds no hesitation about the authenticity of the teachings of Theodore of Mopsuestia, even though a Pope approved the Fifth Ecumenical Council which anathemized him and all those who defend his teachings.

Makes you wonder if Rome still follows its own councils, or quietly revoked his anathema, or most likely doesn't care what you believe as long as you're subject to them.
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