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Communion - EO-OO
« on: May 24, 2018, 04:30:00 PM »
Hi everyone, long time since I posted.

Some time ago, I (EO, Serbian Orthodox) went to the Netherlands and needed to find the nearest Orthodox Church. Google told me it was a Coptic Orthodox Church near my host's place of residence.

Just to be sure, I asked if we were in communion and told them exactly what denomination I came from. They said it was fine and I could take Communion - so I did.

It was beautiful, all of it. I loved the people amd the place.

Later, I found out they were OO, not, EO. I'm not asking about my personal culpability - more about why we're apart and if this could be remedied.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 04:38:42 PM »
To put it in the broadest terms, there was strong disagreement in the church around the Council of Chalcedon held in 451. Some held it to be an orthodox council refuting a dangerous heresy, while others held it to be heretical itself and a compromise with Nestorianism.

The struggle between these parties persisted for many years until the two points of view coalesced into two distinct communions which nowadays we call EO and OO.

There have been various attempts at reconciliation. Some believe the differences are based on terminological differences, beneath which both communions share the same faith. Others think there are real theological differences.

The complicated theological and historical issues have been discussed and re-discussed in many places on this forum and if you search you will find all kinds of material, some helpful, some less so.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 06:04:36 PM »
Greetings ~ It seems a matter of cousins ~ not in total agreement ~ myself I see all Orthodox as my brothers and sisters ```

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```

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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 08:10:37 PM »
To put it in the broadest terms, there was strong disagreement in the church around the Council of Chalcedon held in 451. Some held it to be an orthodox council refuting a dangerous heresy, while others held it to be heretical itself and a compromise with Nestorianism.

The struggle between these parties persisted for many years until the two points of view coalesced into two distinct communions which nowadays we call EO and OO.

There have been various attempts at reconciliation. Some believe the differences are based on terminological differences, beneath which both communions share the same faith. Others think there are real theological differences.

The complicated theological and historical issues have been discussed and re-discussed in many places on this forum and if you search you will find all kinds of material, some helpful, some less so.
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 05:00:29 AM »
The topic is complec and opinions vary. I know Polish Orthodox priests (EO) that allow Polish Orthodox Christians to commune in OO parishes (however, it actaully applies outside Poland, as there are no OO parishes, only some groups that gather from time to time if an Armenian or Coptic priest comes there) and they alllow OOs to commune at Polish Orthodox parishes.

Personally, if my priest gave me the blessing, and the OO priest would allow, and I'd be prepared for the Communion, I'd approach to the chalice in an OO church.
I'm strongly for EO-OO dialouge and intercommunion. That's a real ecumenism and something that can be fruitful, not like dialoge with RC or Protestants.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2018, 05:16:14 AM »
I thought Copts are generally against intercommunion (with the exception of married EO-OO couples in Egypt). Am I mistaken?

Personally I wouldn't take OO communion as IMO were not there yet. I would attend services though which I generally don't when it comes to Protestants and Catholics.
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2018, 07:49:37 AM »
Some Copts may be more hesitant. I am not. I would commune any EO. I would say that those Copts more against intercommunion of laity - which our Fathers supported - are also those who are less educated about the real issues and the real history.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2018, 10:51:36 AM »
Ive taken communion in both EO and OO churches and from my perspective, the main issue in deciding which one to go to is convenience; technically I was received by both churches. 
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2018, 11:54:55 AM »
Armenians ~ members of Our Family ( from the city of Dicranakertz {Turks call Diyarbyer} ~ fought in the Army of King Sobieski against the Turk ~ thousands were in the armies at the many battles ~ over hundreds of years ~ even to the defense of Vienna ```

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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2018, 03:35:39 PM »
About your personal case, this is the "talk to your priest" kind of question. I wouldn't commune at an OO parish because our hierarchy hasn't settled peace, so I wouldn't have the first step as laity. Just like I wouldn't commune at an Old Calendarist or Macedonian Orthodox parish.

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```
IIRC, however, the Armenian Church later explicitly subscribed to the anti-Chalcedonian position in a series of councils in Tver, along with Georgians, who later accepted Chalcedon.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2018, 05:55:03 PM »
About your personal case, this is the "talk to your priest" kind of question. I wouldn't commune at an OO parish because our hierarchy hasn't settled peace, so I wouldn't have the first step as laity. Just like I wouldn't commune at an Old Calendarist or Macedonian Orthodox parish.

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```
IIRC, however, the Armenian Church later explicitly subscribed to the anti-Chalcedonian position in a series of councils in Tver, along with Georgians, who later accepted Chalcedon.
Why do you have to even identify them as Macedonian? I hope this is over soon. Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian. This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country.  Unprecedented

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 06:01:46 PM »
Why do you have to even identify them as Macedonian? I hope this is over soon. Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian. This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country. 
The official name of the church is Macedonian Orthodox Church - Archbishopry of Ohrid and the official name of the country is Republic of Macedonia, whether you agree with their claim to "Macedonicity" or not. No need to overstate the names, it's just a way to identify them without confusion.
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 06:48:13 PM »
Why do you have to even identify them as Macedonian? I hope this is over soon. Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian. This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country. 
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The problem is if we keep calling them that. One day it might stick.

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 07:31:35 PM »
The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2018, 12:14:11 AM »
About your personal case, this is the "talk to your priest" kind of question. I wouldn't commune at an OO parish because our hierarchy hasn't settled peace, so I wouldn't have the first step as laity. Just like I wouldn't commune at an Old Calendarist or Macedonian Orthodox parish.

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```
IIRC, however, the Armenian Church later explicitly subscribed to the anti-Chalcedonian position in a series of councils in Tver, along with Georgians, who later accepted Chalcedon.

Note that formal agreements exist between the Syriac and Antiochians and the Copts and the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria allowing intercommunion.   So if you were Antiochian or lived in Africa, you could consider episcopal blessing in place.  Also my understanding is that St. Catharine’s communicates Coptic pilgrims, which would suggest the autonomous Archbishop of Sinai has at least informally assented to the reunion.   This might have something to do with the large amount of OO material in their monastic library and the need for solidarity (the library of St. Catharine’s is an Aladdin’s Cave of knowledge rivalled only by those of the Athonite and Ethiopian monasteries).
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 01:27:43 AM »
The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 02:16:41 AM »
About your personal case, this is the "talk to your priest" kind of question. I wouldn't commune at an OO parish because our hierarchy hasn't settled peace, so I wouldn't have the first step as laity. Just like I wouldn't commune at an Old Calendarist or Macedonian Orthodox parish.

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```
IIRC, however, the Armenian Church later explicitly subscribed to the anti-Chalcedonian position in a series of councils in Tver, along with Georgians, who later accepted Chalcedon.

Note that formal agreements exist between the Syriac and Antiochians and the Copts and the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria allowing intercommunion.   So if you were Antiochian or lived in Africa, you could consider episcopal blessing in place.  Also my understanding is that St. Catharine’s communicates Coptic pilgrims, which would suggest the autonomous Archbishop of Sinai has at least informally assented to the reunion.   This might have something to do with the large amount of OO material in their monastic library and the need for solidarity (the library of St. Catharine’s is an Aladdin’s Cave of knowledge rivalled only by those of the Athonite and Ethiopian monasteries).

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2018, 04:49:53 AM »
About your personal case, this is the "talk to your priest" kind of question. I wouldn't commune at an OO parish because our hierarchy hasn't settled peace, so I wouldn't have the first step as laity. Just like I wouldn't commune at an Old Calendarist or Macedonian Orthodox parish.

We Armenian ~ could not attend the council because we were busy ~ fighting a war with the Persians ~ so The Armenian Church does not recognize that council ```
IIRC, however, the Armenian Church later explicitly subscribed to the anti-Chalcedonian position in a series of councils in Tver, along with Georgians, who later accepted Chalcedon.

Note that formal agreements exist between the Syriac and Antiochians and the Copts and the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria allowing intercommunion.   So if you were Antiochian or lived in Africa, you could consider episcopal blessing in place.  Also my understanding is that St. Catharine’s communicates Coptic pilgrims, which would suggest the autonomous Archbishop of Sinai has at least informally assented to the reunion.   This might have something to do with the large amount of OO material in their monastic library and the need for solidarity (the library of St. Catharine’s is an Aladdin’s Cave of knowledge rivalled only by those of the Athonite and Ethiopian monasteries).

Speaking of.

Indeed I am familiar with that work, and it is vital given the danger St. Catharine’s is in.  Unfortunately the libraries at the Syriac Orthodox monastery of Mor Mattai in Iraq and the formal Patriarchal seat in Tur Abdin, and the libraries of numerous Coptic monasteries, specifically St. Anthony’s, the Syrian monastery, and the White Monastery, are not being scanned AFAIK, and much more work is needed on Mount Athos due to the risk of fire or other disasters.  The library at Esphigmenou strikes me as being particularly at-risk.
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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2018, 05:30:52 AM »

Indeed I am familiar with that work, and it is vital given the danger St. Catharine’s is in.  Unfortunately the libraries at the Syriac Orthodox monastery of Mor Mattai in Iraq and the formal Patriarchal seat in Tur Abdin, and the libraries of numerous Coptic monasteries, specifically St. Anthony’s, the Syrian monastery, and the White Monastery, are not being scanned AFAIK, and much more work is needed on Mount Athos due to the risk of fire or other disasters.  The library at Esphigmenou strikes me as being particularly at-risk.

Are you familiar with HMML? They've scanned most of the Christian collections in Tur Abdin and Iraq, as well as Syria and Lebanon. http://hmml.org/

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This might have something to do with the large amount of OO material in their monastic library

Actually, there's surprisingly little... There's one Coptic liturgical manuscript and a couple in Ethiopic. Otherwise, there are some texts of originally OO provenance that find themselves in Arabic and Syriac Melkite manuscripts produced in Syria, but few actual manuscripts that originate in OO milieux.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2018, 02:01:18 PM »
The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2018, 07:23:48 PM »
The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2018, 11:39:59 PM »
The Macedonian name dispute is the stupidest controversy in international politics and should not be on this thread unless you want to prove EO’s are morons.
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Mor Ephrem is a nice guy.  Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2018, 12:55:21 AM »
Why do you have to even identify them as Macedonian? I hope this is over soon. Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian. This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country. 
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2018, 12:58:09 AM »
Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian.
Why? Are they Macedonian?
This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country.  Unprecedented
Hardly. The Latins remained upset about the Greek speaking Romans of Constantinople and her empire.
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2018, 01:15:32 AM »
Oh Ralph Sage, Excre de Gotham ~ has your faith and Christianity increased in value due to this council ~ is you connection and understanding of the Lord greater than anyone else on this thread ``` Do you personally Understand and agree with the whole of the Dogma ```


se estou enganado e não foi você quem postou o que me refiro para me desculpar por favor `` `
if I am mistaken and it was not you who posted what I refer to excuse me please ```
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2018, 01:36:40 AM »
Oh Ralph Sage, Excre de Gotham ~ has your faith and Christianity increased in value due to this council ~ is you connection and understanding of the Lord greater than anyone else on this thread ``` Do you personally Understand and agree with the whole of the Dogma ```

se estou enganado e não foi você quem postou o que me refiro para me desculpar por favor `` `
if I am mistaken and it was not you who posted what I refer to excuse me please ```
I did post this, but I have no ~idea ~ what you're asking or telling me. ```
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"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

Anyhow when God was asked he said Eastern Orthodox is true Church and not Catholic Church. So come home and enjoy.

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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2018, 02:18:22 AM »
Oh Ralph Sage, Excre de Gotham ~ has your faith and Christianity increased in value due to this council ~ is you connection and understanding of the Lord greater than anyone else on this thread ``` Do you personally Understand and agree with the whole of the Dogma ```

se estou enganado e não foi você quem postou o que me refiro para me desculpar por favor `` `
if I am mistaken and it was not you who posted what I refer to excuse me please ```
I did post this, but I have no ~idea ~ what you're asking or telling me. ```

My guess would be he's trying to say that you're being unfair to the Armenians in saying that they rejected Chalcedon.
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2018, 10:50:42 AM »
If he thinks that's unfair, the councils of Dvin (not Tver as I previously said) would be even unfairer, lol.
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2018, 11:03:24 AM »
Yeah, it’s really untenable to claim the Armenians never accepted Chalcedon this whole time because they were too busy.
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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2018, 12:19:01 PM »
RalphCam ~ I ask your pardon and forgiveness ~ I'm dealing with a situation in real life ~ and ~ Projected the sist off ness on you ~ you didn't deserve that for repeating what I said earlier ``` Iff you will forgive ~ that will be cool ```

 I emphthize with what you have to put up with where you are ~ and truly hope for better ```


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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2018, 12:36:17 PM »
It's fine, man.
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2018, 06:28:26 PM »

Obrigado irmão ```

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Re: Communion - EO-OO
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2018, 12:35:58 PM »
Why do you have to even identify them as Macedonian? I hope this is over soon. Ask the monks at mount athos who is a Macedonian. This is clearly a thrift of identity.  I just can't believe that it can happen on a big scale like this. I can see it on the credit card level but an entire country. 
The official name of the church is Macedonian Orthodox Church - Archbishopry of Ohrid and the official name of the country is Republic of Macedonia, whether you agree with their claim to "Macedonicity" or not. No need to overstate the names, it's just a way to identify them without confusion.
The problem is if we keep calling them that. One day it might stick.
It already has.
I guess you haven't been reading the news lately. https://greekcitytimes.com/2018/05/31/fyrom-church-requests-to-rejoin-ecumenical-patriarchate-after-dropping-macedonia/amp/