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Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« on: May 14, 2018, 10:02:06 PM »
From a Pew Research Study, American adults over 30 more likely to be married than younger ones.  Here's a breakdown by religious affiliation:



Of particular interest to me was that not even a majority of Orthodox adults in this country are married and that 31% have never been married.  I wonder why that is.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2018, 11:18:25 PM »
Great! That means I can ask out 52% of boys in the Church!
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2018, 04:44:28 AM »
Of particular interest to me was that not even a majority of Orthodox adults in this country are married and that 31% have never been married.  I wonder why that is.
Maybe they spend to much time on online forums? ;)
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2018, 05:49:04 AM »
Of particular interest to me was that not even a majority of Orthodox adults in this country are married and that 31% have never been married.  I wonder why that is.

The 'married' percentage is the same as the general US adults, the Orthodox just have slightly lower rates of cohabitation and divorce, which pushes up the 'never married' number. I don't see anything of particular interest in the case.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2018, 06:31:51 AM »
I wonder if less people in general are getting married in the US, too, due to economic hardship and the expectation of having an expensive wedding.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2018, 06:39:11 AM »
I wonder if less people in general are getting married in the US, too, due to economic hardship and the expectation of having an expensive wedding.

Among the not-strictly-religious lot, a common arrangement involves cohabitation until they decide to add to the family, so I guess struggling with poorly paying jobs while being neck-deep in debt already pushes thoughts of family further and further into the future. What the wedding will cost is the least of their problems.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2018, 06:47:55 AM »
I wonder if less people in general are getting married in the US, too, due to economic hardship and the expectation of having an expensive wedding.

Among the not-strictly-religious lot, a common arrangement involves cohabitation until they decide to add to the family, so I guess struggling with poorly paying jobs while being neck-deep in debt already pushes thoughts of family further and further into the future. What the wedding will cost is the least of their problems.

Makes sense. The levels of cohabitation among religious groups would then likely be a little lower than the average (even if only due to people not self-reporting it to these kinds of surveys).
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 09:22:28 AM »
I think age probably has something to do with it--notice that most (though not all) of those similar to Orthodox are also groups with lower avg. age (Muslims, Agnostics/Atheists), which would also explain the low % of widows.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2018, 09:39:42 AM »
Ignore the above, didn't see the thing above the graphic  :-[
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2018, 10:14:20 AM »
The most interesting figure in these charts to me was the ratio of widowed people.  My thinking is that, since widowed people are usually of advanced age, the fewer of them, the younger the demographics of the religion.  If this is true, then only the Mormons, the Hindus, the Orthodox, Church of God, the Muslims and the Atheists/Agnostics/Nones have a future in this country.  Seems legit.

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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2018, 11:52:28 AM »
Of particular interest to me was that not even a majority of Orthodox adults in this country are married and that 31% have never been married.  I wonder why that is.
Maybe they spend to much time on online forums? ;)

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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 05:46:08 PM »
Ignore the above, didn't see the thing above the graphic  :-[

Seems to me that you still make a good point.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2018, 11:22:18 AM »
From a Pew Research Study, American adults over 30 more likely to be married than younger ones.  Here's a breakdown by religious affiliation:



Of particular interest to me was that not even a majority of Orthodox adults in this country are married and that 31% have never been married.  I wonder why that is.
It was just a few years ago that the census bureau announced most adults in the US for the first time were not married.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
Great! That means I can ask out 52% of boys in the Church!

Although, thinking ahead, consider that you get a more joyous wedding liturgy if you limit yourself to the 31%, or also if you had desires of becoming a Presbytera.  :P
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2018, 02:38:07 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.

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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2018, 03:04:16 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.

1. Why should someone care about marriage if they don't have a religious mandate to? It's not like casually murdering people or doing smack. Sorry, but the bougie nuclear family is not the sine qua non of all morality (even if it is a useful institution for a lot of things).

2. Cohabitation does not automatically imply a fly-by-night relationship or casual sex. Some cohabitators have been together for years and are married in all but name (does this survey even take common law marriage into account?) Heck, maybe the only reason they aren't married is some financial issue.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2018, 03:52:21 PM »
Some law systems grant recognised cohabitation same or similar rights as those who are married, so common it is. Makes sense for the sake of possible children, but otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2018, 04:03:26 PM »
Some law systems grant recognised cohabitation same or similar rights as those who are married, so common it is. Makes sense for the sake of possible children, but otherwise it doesn't make sense to me.

If the intention is to share their lives together for as long as possible, then it essentially is a marriage other than the lack of paperwork and legal entanglements. Perhaps that's an argument for libertarian "get the state out of marriage" positions.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2018, 04:13:26 PM »
If the intention is to share their lives together for as long as possible, then it essentially is a marriage other than the lack of paperwork and legal entanglements. Perhaps that's an argument for libertarian "get the state out of marriage" positions.
Yeah, but the systematisation of civil union exchanges a simple process for a world of frauds and Byzantine discussions. When working for a family law public defender, I've worked with two or three cases of homosexual civil unions (which makes sense since homosexual "marriage" is a recent institution in Brazil), but otherwise I couldn't understand how people got so despondent over making their stuff official and just let it be until they broke up and it became a serious problem (since the part that will be negatively affected by the recognition of the civil union often denies the essential marks of the union).
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2018, 04:30:40 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
Not disgusted, no.  Saddened, yes.  Either way, I'm not throwing anything in anyone's face.   :)
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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2018, 04:43:17 PM »
If the intention is to share their lives together for as long as possible, then it essentially is a marriage other than the lack of paperwork and legal entanglements. Perhaps that's an argument for libertarian "get the state out of marriage" positions.
Yeah, but the systematisation of civil union exchanges a simple process for a world of frauds and Byzantine discussions. When working for a family law public defender, I've worked with two or three cases of homosexual civil unions (which makes sense since homosexual "marriage" is a recent institution in Brazil), but otherwise I couldn't understand how people got so despondent over making their stuff official and just let it be until they broke up and it became a serious problem (since the part that will be negatively affected by the recognition of the civil union often denies the essential marks of the union).

I think part of the blame can be placed on social and family pressure to have a giant, expensive wedding. Part on how lengthy the divorce process can be and people thinking that cohabitation would make everything simpler.

You're right that the changes in law aren't really desirable, but I'm not sure that that in itself indicates some gross immorality that justifies Alpha's pearl clutching.
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2018, 05:51:17 PM »
It does indicate a disregard for the institution they're trying to follow up.
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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 05:56:24 PM »
It does indicate a disregard for the institution they're trying to follow up.

Well, if you have an institution that's closely intertwined with a religion that you don't follow, I'm not sure why you should have to pretend to respect it if you honestly don't.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 06:07:23 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
Not disgusted, no.  Saddened, yes.  Either way, I'm not throwing anything in anyone's face.   :)

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2018, 06:59:36 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.

In the unlikely event that any of them considers cohabitation immoral, that would be one sick burn. Except not.
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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2018, 07:56:18 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
it’s a stunt that’s not gonna work with a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.
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« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2018, 09:10:12 PM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
it’s a stunt that’s not gonna work with a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.
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Indeed "throwing it in their face" is probably going to backfire when it confirms their belief that all Christians are holier-than-thou hypocrites.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2018, 09:19:02 PM »
it’s a stunt that’s not gonna work with a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.

+1. I was raised in a virtually non-mystical form of evangelical Protestantism and despite the fact that marriage was heavily pushed, it never "made sense" to me until I found Orthodoxy.
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2018, 10:47:26 PM »
a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.
Atheism is one thing, but demystified copulation? I won't stand for it.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2018, 10:50:43 PM »
a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.
Atheism is one thing, but demystified copulation? I won't stand for it.

Of course you won't. You have to lie down.
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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2018, 10:51:47 PM »
You have to lie down.
That you think this indicates the demystification has already begun.
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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2018, 06:52:08 AM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
Not disgusted, no.  Saddened, yes.  Either way, I'm not throwing anything in anyone's face.   :)

Careful, I literally have right now a slice of apple pie and an itchy trigger finger.  :P Granted,  when I last had pie, I had both a banana cream pie and a cholocate cream pie, I could have delivered more confectionary firepower.  ;)

Needless to say, the epic pie battle royale in the 1960s comedy film The Great Race, which was otherwise rather too long, is high on my list of preferred slapstick comedy.

 :D  I haven't seen that movie; I'll have to check it out.  And I'm glad actual pie can't travel through the internet!  But now I'm wondering if it could, would it have missed or would it have been a delayed effect...  ???  I think I need coffee.   ;D
Is any of the above Orthodox?  I have no idea, so there’s that.

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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2018, 12:02:07 AM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
it’s a stunt that’s not gonna work with a group of people that attaches no mystical qualities to copulation.
 

The flame isn’t for their benefit.  The idea when criticizing someone in an online debate isnt to attempt to change their views, which is usually a lost cause, but to discredit them.

Council of Nicea:
Εθη ἀρχαῖα κρατείτω. 
Mores antiqui obtineant.
The ancient ways shall prevail.

The sentiment of Nicea in Greek and Latin, translated into English.

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Re: Marital Status of Religious Groups in USA
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2018, 12:04:53 AM »
On a more serious note, does anyone elss find themselves disgusted by the implied hedonism and disregard for morality among the Buddhists, Anogstics and especially the Atheists?  Atheists have the highest rate of cohabitation in the US.  I will throw that statistic in their face the next time one dares to flame me about Christian moral values.
Not disgusted, no.  Saddened, yes.  Either way, I'm not throwing anything in anyone's face.   :)

Careful, I literally have right now a slice of apple pie and an itchy trigger finger.  :P Granted,  when I last had pie, I had both a banana cream pie and a cholocate cream pie, I could have delivered more confectionary firepower.  ;)

Needless to say, the epic pie battle royale in the 1960s comedy film The Great Race, which was otherwise rather too long, is high on my list of preferred slapstick comedy.

 :D  I haven't seen that movie; I'll have to check it out.  And I'm glad actual pie can't travel through the internet!  But now I'm wondering if it could, would it have missed or would it have been a delayed effect...  ???  I think I need coffee.   ;D

Evidently.  I should say you need a double shot of espresso or some full-strength Ethiopian coffee.

Council of Nicea:
Εθη ἀρχαῖα κρατείτω. 
Mores antiqui obtineant.
The ancient ways shall prevail.

The sentiment of Nicea in Greek and Latin, translated into English.