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Vladimir Solzhenitsyn, after spending a lifetime researching the fundamental errors behind Communism, concluded atheistic materialism was at its root. If men forget God, society and civilization will be lost. Do you agree with him?

http://www.aoiusa.org/solzhenitsyn-men-have-forgotten-god/

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More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.
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I suppose so, sure, though admittedly one of the things that surprised me about The Gulag Archipelago was how little God and faith were mentioned.

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Chinese society for many centuries seems to have given little recognition to God. Buddhism isn't particularly focused on God Himself. Taoism is a Chinese religion that may have a supreme God in its pantheon. Chinese Folk religion has a concept of the supreme deity, but he doesn't seem to have frequent worship by the peasantry since ancient times.
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Chinese society for many centuries seems to have given little recognition to God. Buddhism isn't particularly focused on God Himself. Taoism is a Chinese religion that may have a supreme God in its pantheon. Chinese Folk religion has a concept of the supreme deity, but he doesn't seem to have frequent worship by the peasantry since ancient times.

I thought we were talking about 20th century Russia...?  ;)

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The curse of death was given as a punishment or a natural occurrence.  People have just accepted it. I don't personally. Science and other cultural systems see it as natural. It is seen that way, if one is in sin. I choose not to accept it because I love myself to much.
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Chinese society for many centuries seems to have given little recognition to God. Buddhism isn't particularly focused on God Himself. Taoism is a Chinese religion that may have a supreme God in its pantheon. Chinese Folk religion has a concept of the supreme deity, but he doesn't seem to have frequent worship by the peasantry since ancient times.

I thought we were talking about 20th century Russia...?  ;)

I think his point is that a society forgetting about God doesn't necessarily descend into a century+ of poverty, corruption, and suffering.

For my part, I wouldn't exactly characterize pre-modern China as a nice place to live for anybody who wasn't rich.
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Chinese society for many centuries seems to have given little recognition to God. Buddhism isn't particularly focused on God Himself. Taoism is a Chinese religion that may have a supreme God in its pantheon. Chinese Folk religion has a concept of the supreme deity, but he doesn't seem to have frequent worship by the peasantry since ancient times.

I thought we were talking about 20th century Russia...?  ;)

I think his point is that a society forgetting about God doesn't necessarily descend into a century+ of poverty, corruption, and suffering.

I would agree. I think that atheists can be caring, moral people; and on the other hand that people have used their Christianity as self-righteous-tinted glasses when justifying despicable things they've done (including large-scale murder). In the case of 20th century Russia, however, I think the turning away from God, combined with authoritarianism and paranoia, played a significant part in the disaster it was (not that the Tsars were living saints).

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Chinese society for many centuries seems to have given little recognition to God. Buddhism isn't particularly focused on God Himself. Taoism is a Chinese religion that may have a supreme God in its pantheon. Chinese Folk religion has a concept of the supreme deity, but he doesn't seem to have frequent worship by the peasantry since ancient times.

I thought we were talking about 20th century Russia...?  ;)

I think his point is that a society forgetting about God doesn't necessarily descend into a century+ of poverty, corruption, and suffering.

I would agree. I think that atheists can be caring, moral people; and on the other hand that people have used their Christianity as self-righteous-tinted glasses when justifying despicable things they've done (including large-scale murder). In the case of 20th century Russia, however, I think the turning away from God, combined with authoritarianism and paranoia, played a significant part in the disaster it was (not that the Tsars were living saints).

Yeah, especially when changes like that get imposed on society at large in so disruptive a manner. It kind of traumatized a generation.
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