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I have a couple of questions - what does the Church teach about heretics who have introduced a new idea into the Church? For example, Origen was anathematized after his death, as was Pope Honorius - but is this a saying on the state of their soul? Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?
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Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?

People are accidental heretics all the time. I have no particular evidence to back it up, but I think God weighs very heavily the difference between intention and mistake.
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I always like to think that the purpose for condemning someone post-mortem was not to judge that person to hell, but to lead the people away from influence of his writings or teachings, especially people who have not attained a substantial level of discernment.
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Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?

People are accidental heretics all the time.

My mom was an Arian for decades.  I was her Athanasius.
I think you can say ~ In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and post with charitable and prayerful intentions.

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I always like to think that the purpose for condemning someone post-mortem was not to judge that person to hell, but to lead the people away from influence of his writings or teachings, especially people who have not attained a substantial level of discernment.

Yeah, this is the understanding the makes the most sense to me. Any afterlife-ish import would more consist in the recognition by the Church that God has always know that they were negligent (but perhaps still saved in spite of that).
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Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?

People are accidental heretics all the time. I have no particular evidence to back it up, but I think God weighs very heavily the difference between intention and mistake.

I can't wait for Brad Paisley's "The Accidental Heretic." It's going to be a duet with TD Jakes.
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Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?

People are accidental heretics all the time.

My mom was an Arian for decades.  I was her Athanasius.

Did you show her your degree from St. Vlad's?
Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years.

THE OPINIONS HERE MAY NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED ORTHODOX CHURCH

Take a breath, read Ecclesiastes 1:9.

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Could they potentially "accidentally" created heresy?

People are accidental heretics all the time.

My mom was an Arian for decades.  I was her Athanasius.

Did you show her your degree from St. Vlad's?

I didn’t have it at the time, but she’s certainly familiar with it now!
I think you can say ~ In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and post with charitable and prayerful intentions.

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I live near st Vlads. Never stepped foot in the place.
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I live near st Vlads. Never stepped foot in the place.

I grew up in the area and didn’t visit until about 2002.
I think you can say ~ In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and post with charitable and prayerful intentions.

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I live near st Vlads. Never stepped foot in the place.

I grew up in the area and didn’t visit until about 2002.
Cool. I still live in the area. I resently met a priest who went there. And is interning at a local parish.
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