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Offline ConstantinusMagnus

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What makes an Ecumenical Council Valid??
« on: January 31, 2018, 07:44:46 PM »
There are several competeing theories on what makes a council, ecumenical.

1)According to the Roman Catholic concept of the Church, the pope, himself one of the five patriarchs (the word "pope" means simply in Greek, "father" or "papas") holds not only titular primacy as primus inter pares (first among equals) over all the patriarchs.  The Pope has even the right to intervene and to act as supreme judge in the internal affairs of all other churches with authority and jurisdiction over the entire church(all rites). This theory established itself during the 8th century.

2)Opposed to this latter theory is the Eastern Orthodox concept of the "Pentarchy." That is, instead of a papal "monarchy" governing the entire Church, there exists a supreme body of five heads, the 5 patriarchs above named, each of whom exercises jurisdiction over his own ecclesiastical area and who meets together with the other patriarchs in ecumenical councils to regulate matters of dogma and church discipline. This pentarchic theory was firmly established by the time of the Roman Emperor Justinian in the mid-sixth century, as is clearly reflected in his nomocanones (combined civil-ecclesiastical law codes) Corpus Juris Civilis.

3) People on this website have told me that I dont understand the Pentarchy or that i dont understand what an ecumenical council is because im a former Roman Catholic. Maybe they are right, or maybe they were just being negative towards me, I dont know, so I will leave option 3 open.  So if you have another theory on what makes an ecumenical council valid, please share with us.

So what do you guys think? What makes a council Ecumenical?



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Re: What makes an Ecumenical Council Valid??
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2018, 10:30:34 PM »
Orthodoxy must be professed so that a Council be valid, there's no magic formula for that. Orthodoxy wasn't professed in Florence despite massive approval, for instance.
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Re: What makes an Ecumenical Council Valid??
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018, 01:09:39 AM »
Pentarchy was an interesting theory at the time of Justinian, but by the middle of the seventh century, was no longer a tenable proposition for church governance, including the approval of ecumenical councils. Pentarchy was not some sort of divine institutional set up, but merely a temporal and earthly criteria that Justinian posited, quite reasonably at the time perhaps, as a means to clarify proper doctrine. Once the Mediterranean Sea ceased to be a Roman lake, communication between the patriarchates became overly difficult, thereby making the theory nearly impossible in practice.
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Re: What makes an Ecumenical Council Valid??
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018, 07:24:44 AM »
A valid council has to be recognized later as being valid.
While most participants in the councils were wise men without contact with God in many councils were wise men with contact with God and through miracles they were able to convince everyone of the truth .
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Re: What makes an Ecumenical Council Valid??
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2018, 11:42:10 PM »
Anyhow when God was asked he said Eastern Orthodox is true Church and not Catholic Church. So come home and enjoy. Whatever you do comes back to you. You give eternal life and HEaven and true Church, eternal life and heaven and true Church copes back to you many times over. How and when did that happen that CAtholic Church topped being true Church is not important. Important is to know where true Church is now.
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