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Offline AncientFaith

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David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« on: October 04, 2005, 12:46:24 PM »
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The other day I heard a reference to David dancing before the Lord (as the Ark was being returned) as essentially a defense for dancing in the sanctuary - i.e. "liturgical dance". 

Can anyone point me to any of the Church Fathers who may have addressed that passage from 2 Samuel?  I have found where St. Chrysostom was opposed to dancing within Church, but I don't think he specifically addressed this one passage.

Looking for some help and ammo.

I should add that I was reading an article a while back that pointed out that Churches (this was specific to the Anglican Church, but applied to any "liturgical" Church) have liturgical dance already - its the movements of the clergy and acolytes.

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Re: David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 05:14:54 AM »

Hey, sorry it took so long for a response. I know this probably won't be of any help, and comes too late anyway. I was hoping that someone who knew about the subject would be able to post here, but I guess it's a very unique subject. I certainly do thank you for bringing up something that hasn't been discussed here before. I only wish one of us knew something about the subject! :)  Fwiw, I did a quick search of the Church Fathers series at CCEL and on the specific passage from 2 Sam. 6, I only found two references, neither of which really seemed to be relevant. The references were in St. Gregory the Theologian (Oration 38, 17) and St. Gregory of Nyssa (Funeral Oration on Meletios). The subject of "dance" in general is, unfortunately, a much larger project than I am ready to take on (St. John liked to speak against dancers and actors, so it'd be pretty time-consuming sorting through all the references). I hope you had better luck elswhere (if you did, please feel free to share what you learned).

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Re: David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2005, 12:33:17 AM »
Unfortunately, I haven't gotten anywhere with this.  On the other hand, its kept me from being put in the position of debating with my priest, which is, all in all, a bad thing.  Our parish occasionally picks up some charismatic influences around the edges, and it always drives me nuts. In a couple of weeks, we'll have a priest in to lead a retreat who I've read and listened to before, and is a pro-choice, pro-women's ordination, pseudo-traditionalist (that is a Sola Scripturalist pretending to be a Hooker Anglican).

I hope you had better luck elswhere (if you did, please feel free to share what you learned).

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Re: David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2016, 07:58:45 PM »
Yes this thread is over 10 years old; sorry :p. But I'm wondering if you ever found anything relating to this? We're currently attending an AG church and the pastor has just instituted video worship and praise dancing during service. He cited this same passage about David dancing before the Ark as justification of such things but since I've been learning about Orthodoxy it's left me feeling very uncomfortable. So I was wondering what the church fathers have to say regarding this passage, or the church in general. Thanks!

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Re: David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 07:49:45 PM »
Unless everybody dances, it's more like spectacle or entertainment.  Not the sort of thing I think has much precedent in a church until very recently.

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Re: David and Dancing, Church Fathers
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 07:31:59 PM »
By the way, this account is of dancing in procession, not of dancing in the temple.

Holy King David was a "man after God's own heart"; however, his behavior here was remarkable and is given special notice in the Hebrew history. It is not at all as tho we are glimpsing some liturgical practice in ancient Israel.

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