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What's on your ex cathedra list? Define morals.
« on: December 09, 2017, 05:14:08 AM »
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Papal teaching is ex cathedra, "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he [the Bishop of Rome] defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church". (Vatican I, Session 4, chapter 4.9)

"For the more a thing is huge and obvious and stares one in the face, the harder it is to define. Anybody can define conchology. Nobody can define morals." —GK Chesterton

Not even Vatican I could...

I, however, finally found the formula for what falls under morals in ex cathedra statements...

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"Whereas the articles of faith are at once recognizable as such, it is not so easy in matters of morals. If we take the compendium of morals most used, that of Gury, we find as belonging thereto –

1. lectures about Human Actions; 2. Conscience; 3. Laws (foundation, subject, object, promulgation, obligation, definition, dispensation therefrom, termination, natural, of the Church, civil law, law of custom, privilege); 4. Sins; 5. Virtues; 6. The Ten Commandments; 7. The Commandments of the Church (holidays, confession and communion at Easter, abstinence, fastdays); 8. Righteousness and Right (ideas, kinds of right); Property (object, subject, of the clergy, regulars, authors); gain of property; use and temporary enjoyment; actions against the law (theft, restitution); agreements (object, subject, base, obligation, alteration, strengthening by oath, modus, condition); kinds: promise, gift, borrowing and precarium, depositing, sequestering, order, loan [interest, pawnbrokering], purchase and sale, society, current agreements, bills of exchange, rents, bail, assurances, bets, lottery, playing); 9. The different classes (laymen, duties of judges, advocates, legal executors, actuaries, notaries, plaintiff, defendant, witnesses, physicians, surgeons, apothecaries, watchmen [field, forest], artists, tradesmen, clergymen); 10. Sacraments; 11. The punishments of the Church ; 12. Irregularities, appendix, indulgences, and jubilees.

It is seen that the morals embrace the whole compass of the life of the individual as such. Thus the infallible teaching of the Church can extend itself over all matters, and in all directions, which exercise any importance on the moral life of man. That this is no idle assertion, but one declared ex cathedra by the pope, therefore an unchangeable doctrine, is evident." (Johann Friedrich Von Schulte, Professor of Canonical Law at Prague, 1871)

Catholics—do you agree this is a fair compendium or definition of what falls under morals? If not, what does?

It seems to me that Vatican I's definition on when papal teaching is ex cathedra has a built-in escape hatch. Was this by design?

In other words, whatever you want to be ex cathedra is ex cathedra. What doesn't concern morals?

"Anything you want, you got it. Anything you need, you got it. Anything at all, you got it babe."

What's on your ex cathedra list? What do you think is on Pope Francis' list? What do you think is preventing Catholics from all having the same list?

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Re: What's on your ex cathedra list? Define morals.
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 10:08:59 AM »
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Re: What's on your ex cathedra list? Define morals.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 02:09:13 PM »
When one is trying to define something is as widely applied as morals, the positive and negative predicates available (what can or cannot be said of it and in it) are more numerous, so it takes more effort. Morals are a set of patterns of what one should or should not do.
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Re: What's on your ex cathedra list? Define morals.
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 02:45:59 PM »
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