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Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« on: December 01, 2017, 12:10:29 PM »
Patriarch Kirill spoke of the necessity of ending the crime of abortion in Russia. It has declined 25% over the last five years.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/russian-orthodox-leader-the-problem-of-abortion-...-is-our-highest-priority

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"His Holiness said the way to combat the mass slaughter of the preborn is not only to rebuke abortionists and exhort women not to kill their children but to help women in crisis. The primate told 2,000 attendees to analyze why young women abort. He said we must address the problems that drive women to kill, such as instability, parents’ anger, social pressure, and poverty.

Kirill coordinated political leaders and Orthodox bishops to work together to build homes for pregnant women in every province. “I cannot say that everything is working well; there are issues in Church-State relations, but my call was heard,” he reported.

The Russian hierarch addressed the State Duma twice, boldly issuing a call to solve the “horrifyingly high” number of abortions in the mother country. 

He pointed out that 650,000 abortions were committed in Russia in 2016. “A city like Tyumen has 744,000 residents. That means an entire city was lost within a year,” he noted."
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2017, 12:56:05 PM »
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... He said we must address the problems that drive women to kill, such as instability, parents’ anger, social pressure, and poverty.

Kirill coordinated political leaders and Orthodox bishops to work together to build homes for pregnant women in every province. ...

Excellent. The Russian society, especially around Moscow, is very harsh for young women. Somehow I doubt his proposals will be taken up by the government, but we can pray.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 05:32:46 PM »
As long as it's actually replaced with something, then good. To be honest, though, the words "Church" and "home for pregnant mothers" in the same sentence tends to give me hives (and even more so when we're talking about the Patriarch of the Holy Disappearing Watch).

But I guess it's a crappy situation no matter what.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2017, 11:01:56 AM »
Nice that's he adresses the social reasons for foeticide. As awful as it is, we can't pretend it's just a bunch of hysteric women killing their own children for no reason at all.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 11:21:06 AM »
As long as it's actually replaced with something, then good. To be honest, though, the words "Church" and "home for pregnant mothers" in the same sentence tends to give me hives (and even more so when we're talking about the Patriarch of the Holy Disappearing Watch).

But I guess it's a crappy situation no matter what.

There's definitely reason to be wary of the corruption of the MP and any ostensibly charitable activity can be distorted. I guess the key difference here from institutions like the Magdalene Laundries is that the latter were basically forced labor prisons, in a society where pregnancy out of wedlock was viciously stigmatized. They were instituted as punishment/ "penitence" for the mothers and the welfare of the children was not a concern. In Russia, for better or worse, the mores are quite different now and what the MP is proposing is to ostensibly make it easier for mothers to keep and raise their children, not to punish them.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 11:57:44 AM »
As long as it's actually replaced with something, then good. To be honest, though, the words "Church" and "home for pregnant mothers" in the same sentence tends to give me hives (and even more so when we're talking about the Patriarch of the Holy Disappearing Watch).

But I guess it's a crappy situation no matter what.

There's definitely reason to be wary of the corruption of the MP and any ostensibly charitable activity can be distorted. I guess the key difference here from institutions like the Magdalene Laundries is that the latter were basically forced labor prisons, in a society where pregnancy out of wedlock was viciously stigmatized. They were instituted as punishment/ "penitence" for the mothers and the welfare of the children was not a concern. In Russia, for better or worse, the mores are quite different now and what the MP is proposing is to ostensibly make it easier for mothers to keep and raise their children, not to punish them.

Fair enough. I hope you're right.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 02:07:25 AM »
Yes, women should be helped to choose other options than abortion. But abortionists who keep killing children should be prosecuted. In my opinion, abortionists should receive a 10 year prison sentence at the least. That could be commuted to a lighter sentence if they demonstrate true remorse and contrition for their crime. But otherwise it shouldn't be. Protecting children's lives is serious business and will not be accomplished without strong resolve never to allow the genocide of innocent infants to continue.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 03:29:24 AM »
Nice that's he adresses the social reasons for foeticide. As awful as it is, we can't pretend it's just a bunch of hysteric women killing their own children for no reason at all.
No, in my experience on sidewalks before abortion clinics, in about half of the cases it's hysteric boyfriends or parents who pressure them to kill their own children or grandchildren.
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Re: Ending abortion our priority: Patriarch Kirill
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 08:33:52 AM »
Nice that's he adresses the social reasons for foeticide. As awful as it is, we can't pretend it's just a bunch of hysteric women killing their own children for no reason at all.
No, in my experience on sidewalks before abortion clinics, in about half of the cases it's hysteric boyfriends or parents who pressure them to kill their own children or grandchildren.

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