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Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« on: October 26, 2017, 03:34:09 PM »
In the last year, I've seen numerous discussions online from laypeople who themselves or know of people who would like to have some kind of minimal participation in the life of the Church (e.g., anointing, confession, Eucharist) but are not able to because they are bound by distance, circumstance or a combination of both. (I have felt a combination of both in my own life in the past year.) In some cases discussed, the people in question couldn't leave their homes and had even found themselves begging anyone to get a priest to come to see them, but because of geography weren't able to.

While I'm still inclined to tell someone who says, "I have to drive 30 minutes across town to get to church!" to just deal with it, I don't think it's really fair to tell those who want the Gospel that they have to come find it 80 miles from home.

At the same time, I don't know that it would be fair to just demand every priest out there run out to every person in the boondocks every or even every month. The need is too great and the workers too few.

Which is what I want to get at: While I don't think the Byzantine Rite could really develop something akin to the Roman Rite's extraordinary minister system, I think we could do something to better reach out to those who can't step within the physical nave.

Is there some kind of ministry your parish does or that you know of that seeks to address these issues?
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 03:43:53 PM »
My first parish would record every liturgy so that shut-ins could stream it. The priest of course would make visits regularly. How well this satisfied people's needs I couldn't say, since I didn't know anybody involved.

Maybe OC.net is coffee hour for introverts? In which case I should definitely be a lot nicer here...
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 04:28:08 PM »
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 04:28:23 PM »
My first parish would record every liturgy so that shut-ins could stream it. The priest of course would make visits regularly. How well this satisfied people's needs I couldn't say, since I didn't know anybody involved.

Maybe OC.net is coffee hour for introverts? In which case I should definitely be a lot nicer here...

I am a big fan of recording the liturgy and uploading it to youtube, every Sunday, not just for shut ins, but also for outreach.

In Santa Barbara, there is a group of 8 or so elderly Serbian Orthodox who usually go to ROCOR, or meet in one of their own houses, but occasionally, a priest comes to see them and serve the liturgy.

I like the idea of micro-churches formed from groups like this, as satellites of major parishes, which could in turn, God willing, become mission parishes.  The only problem with this I can forsee is the priest shortage in several of our denominations.

The Latin Rite of the Catholic Church is able to serve so many masses for small groups in diverse locales and odd hours in part due to a large number of retired diocesan clergy who still retain the obligation to say mass and the divine office daily as their health permits.  The main tragic shortage is usually of new vocations.

I don't think OCNet is fit for purpose as a coffee hour given our robust debating culture, but we are mostly very good people, and I think we could, as a community, have a forum on OCNet which would be more of a coffee hour type of friendship and fellowship oriented forum.  This might include opportunities for group prayer and video chat using FaceTime and social media based live streaming.

As an amusing aside, a Methodist pastor who I greatly dislike, for doctrinal reasons, once seriously proposed using drones to deliver the Eucharist to shut-ins, like Amazon packages.  This and other similiar views are the basis for my intense lack of appreciation for his ministry.
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 05:11:55 PM »
I am all for recording liturgies, but is there anything that can be done for in-person interactions? Like, developing some kind of lay chaplaincy for people who would like to help those withering in the wilderness but who don't have a full calling to orders?
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2017, 05:27:05 PM »
In Poland there is a good, developed system of the Orthodox chaplains: militants, for prisoners, for elder people, for disabeld people. They visit these peopel to talk with them, offer short service like molebien, hear confession and give Eucharist. Actually, parish priest also do it if it's necessary.

I think that for people living far from any church or preist tehre are 2 basic things: broadcasts of the services and try serving typika with blessing of a priest; maybe there is anotehr Orthodox person or family lviing in the area? If so, it's always easier to serve typika.
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 05:19:52 PM »
In Poland there is a good, developed system of the Orthodox chaplains: militants, for prisoners, for elder people, for disabeld people. They visit these peopel to talk with them, offer short service like molebien, hear confession and give Eucharist. Actually, parish priest also do it if it's necessary.

I think that for people living far from any church or preist tehre are 2 basic things: broadcasts of the services and try serving typika with blessing of a priest; maybe there is anotehr Orthodox person or family lviing in the area? If so, it's always easier to serve typika.

That's related to a thought I had. Is it possible for priests or readers to come do some truncated version of the service in somebody's house?
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 07:16:37 PM »
In Poland there is a good, developed system of the Orthodox chaplains: militants, for prisoners, for elder people, for disabeld people. They visit these peopel to talk with them, offer short service like molebien, hear confession and give Eucharist. Actually, parish priest also do it if it's necessary.

I think that for people living far from any church or preist tehre are 2 basic things: broadcasts of the services and try serving typika with blessing of a priest; maybe there is anotehr Orthodox person or family lviing in the area? If so, it's always easier to serve typika.

That's related to a thought I had. Is it possible for priests or readers to come do some truncated version of the service in somebody's house?

Reader's Typica is pretty truncated compared to the liturgy, especially if you don't pray it with the preceding hours.
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 07:22:43 PM »
Ah. Ok.

Maybe there should be Readers who visit people's homes to serve one, then.
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 11:47:22 PM »
I've seen people get out of their own states to receive sacraments, as large as Brazil is and as much as the demand for Orthodoxy has grown here over the last few years. Once or twice it even resulted on a mission inside the fold of the Polish Orthodox Church. Archpriest Bento has estabilished a mission in Belo Horizonte (440km from Rio) among a couple of guys who heard about the faith online. A friend of mine from Belém (a 4 hour flight away) will be chrismated in the Russian Orthodox Church in Rio. I believe there's a parish "only" some 800km away from him, but he wished to be catechised by a Rio priest.

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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 02:46:47 AM »
I've seen people get out of their own states to receive sacraments, as large as Brazil is and as much as the demand for Orthodoxy has grown here over the last few years. Once or twice it even resulted on a mission inside the fold of the Polish Orthodox Church. Archpriest Bento has estabilished a mission in Belo Horizonte (440km from Rio) among a couple of guys who heard about the faith online. A friend of mine from Belém (a 4 hour flight away) will be chrismated in the Russian Orthodox Church in Rio. I believe there's a parish "only" some 800km away from him, but he wished to be catechised by a Rio priest.

I believe nothing is impossible to those who have faith and really feel the calling of the Holy Spirit to the Church. Philip Ludwell III lived as an Orthodox Christian centuries before internet in a continent without a single parish. Using a Roman Catholic example, the Kakure Kirishitan lived a priestless Roman Catholic life among persecution for centuries in Japan.

This is all true (and good!), but it's not exactly "Go ye therefore..."
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 01:56:25 PM »
True. The internet undoubtedly favours mission, but a parish in town will never be dispensable.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 06:33:08 PM »
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Re: Homebound/Distancebound ministries
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2018, 10:00:43 PM »
In Poland there is a good, developed system of the Orthodox chaplains: militants, for prisoners, for elder people, for disabeld people. They visit these peopel to talk with them, offer short service like molebien, hear confession and give Eucharist. Actually, parish priest also do it if it's necessary.

I think that for people living far from any church or preist tehre are 2 basic things: broadcasts of the services and try serving typika with blessing of a priest; maybe there is anotehr Orthodox person or family lviing in the area? If so, it's always easier to serve typika.

That's related to a thought I had. Is it possible for priests or readers to come do some truncated version of the service in somebody's house?

Reader's Typica is pretty truncated compared to the liturgy, especially if you don't pray it with the preceding hours.

Then add the Hours.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2018, 09:42:36 PM »
Philip Ludwell III lived as an Orthodox Christian centuries before internet in a continent without a single parish.

That's very impressive. I've lived on an island with no Orthodox Church for the last two years and it's not a setup I'd recommend to anyone. Thankfully, I'm able to attend Liturgy on the mainland every few months.
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