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Does God's patience run out?
« on: September 27, 2017, 09:49:26 PM »
Hosea 9:15 is one of the oddest verses of Scripture to me. Talking about apostate Israel:

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Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels.

It seems to me that the point of this verse is not just that they've hardened their hearts like Pharaoh and made their own salvation impossible, but that God Himself will stop loving them, will stop "knocking at the door." That seems odd to me.

Not only does it seem to speak against popular "River of Fire" thinking that wrath and Hell are just forms of God's love. But it also seems to contradict Psalm 30:5 which seems to me to imply that God never gives up on anybody (even desiring to save the devil, as per St. Isaac of Syria):

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For his anger is but for a moment,
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Weeping may tarry for the night,
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Re: Does God's patience run out?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 10:00:26 PM »
When taken as a whole, this is a theme in Hosea:
For his anger is but for a moment,
    and his favor is for a lifetime.
Weeping may tarry for the night,
    but joy comes with the morning.

It is a back and forth story of Hoses with his prostitute wife and God's analogous back and forth relationship with Israel. Hosea was told to pick a prostitute for a wife because Israel is like that.

God says No More
But then......

It is kind of like the ending of Gone with the wind. The characters break up, but there is an expectation that they will reunite. Rhett says he always had a weakness for lost causes.

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Re: Does God's patience run out?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 10:15:15 PM »
I think you're really overreading. God offers his grace to everyone. If a whole people doesn't accept it, the prophet says God loves them no more. Hosea was always open to receive Gomer back, but once she decided to leave for her lovers, he broke up with her, announcing he wouldn't accept an insincere return.
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Re: Does God's patience run out?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2017, 09:25:52 PM »
These sound like good explanations. Thanks  :)
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