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Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« on: September 27, 2017, 02:31:24 PM »
We don’t have to be right-wing zealots to fear that the walls that hold up our reality will one day come tumbling down, even without really agreeing on what will cause that cataclysm.

Take, for example, parents who read rumors on the Internet that vaccines might be linked to autism and thus refuse to have their children inoculated for diseases such as measles, diphtheria, and pertussis (more commonly known as whooping cough). Since the inception of mass-vaccination campaigns in the nineteenth century, every so often a public panic has set in against one or another vaccine program. Early advocates of the smallpox vaccine were ridiculed and attacked by skeptics.


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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 03:45:04 PM »
My autistic kid is the one who didn't get vaccines until way late.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 04:02:44 PM »
From what it sounds like on my first glance at reading the page he takes the method I've been trying to favor when discussing this and that is to go after "conspiracy" methodology, talking about how it undermines itself,  how knowledge is diversified (ex: these people do not act skeptical when they cross bridges even though they can not construct bridges), and the use of tradesmen being able to read the facts with a deeper understanding due to inarticulate knowledge (ex: a mechanic may not be able to give an articulate response to an amateur conspiracy theorist on crank physics, but he "knows" how cars are engineered more than the crank looking at the same kind of articulated information to confirm his confirmation bias).

Lines like this I find interesting as well, as it is (often political, but it can be other things as well) activists who get into the most undermining philosophy to support their own ends:

We don’t have to be right-wing zealots to fear that the walls that hold up our reality will one day come tumbling down, even without really agreeing on what will cause that cataclysm.


One of my big schticks since I had to deal with a lot of this in college is to show how specific kinds of rationalistic approaches turns into a snake that eats it's own tail.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 04:08:16 PM »
My autistic kid is the one who didn't get vaccines until way late.

Wait, so you're saying vaccines cause autism retroactively, actually distorting time itself? That's even more nefarious than I could have imagined.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 04:12:29 PM »
My autistic kid is the one who didn't get vaccines until way late.

Wait, so you're saying vaccines cause autism retroactively, actually distorting time itself? That's even more nefarious than I could have imagined.

Did you just take the red pill?  Or do they just want you to think you took the red pill?
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 04:13:34 PM »
My autistic kid is the one who didn't get vaccines until way late.

Wait, so you're saying vaccines cause autism retroactively, actually distorting time itself? That's even more nefarious than I could have imagined.

Did you just take the red pill?  Or do they just want you to think you took the red pill?

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 04:16:12 PM »
My autistic kid is the one who didn't get vaccines until way late.

Wait, so you're saying vaccines cause autism retroactively, actually distorting time itself? That's even more nefarious than I could have imagined.

I knew I shouldn't have trusted a lady pediatrician.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 04:19:37 PM »
Also, I didn't see it on this guys summation, but there really has to be caution for how these things are implemented.  If you get heavy handed and hubristic with people, take their agency away, and force foreign substances down their body (and this was at a time when medicine had a much more spotty record) - the reaction against it is more than understandable.  I don't think there is much excuse for this anti vaccine stuff anymore in the developed world anymore, but you can and do hear horror stories (like stuff Colonel Kurtz talked about in Apocalypse Now) of the developing world with forced things like this...and I don't find it justifiable at all.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 02:22:09 PM »
Its not that ALL vaccines are bad, its just the ingredients in some of them can cause horrible side effects. Also, an infant child is given to many at once, and not spread out. In japan they spread them out over a longer period of time, and have fewer side effects.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

Also some vaccines have ABORTED BABY TISSUE. I for one do want to have murdered babies injected into me. But maybe some people dont mind abortion.

http://medscienceresearch.com/aborted-human-fetal-dna-ingredient/

The HPV vaccine only cover 4 out of 30ish types, and its being injected into millions of kids.


https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/hpv-vaccination-cervical-cancer/

I dont trust the government, from testing syphilis drugs on blacks, to spying and tracking us all.  We all know their are bad elements who wish to do harm and that care only for the almighty dollar. On a side note, my wife is Filipino and never got 1 shot, neither did anyone in her family. Shes ok, as is all her relatives, all have had measles, and who knows what else.

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 02:56:59 PM »
Judging by this official Japanese Pediatric vaccines schedule, it is practically the same as the American one:

https://www.jpeds.or.jp/uploads/files/JPS%20Vaccine%20Schedule%2020170115%20ENGLISH.pdf

So when you say “spread out”, you actually say, “I know better than scientists on what the human body can handle.” 

I hate to have to do this all the time, but the fear mongering that is spread around against vaccines is irrational, and based on faulty ideas.

The ingredients issue is another one.  Did you know sodium is a metal that can kill you, and chlorine gas can also kill you.  But when you put them together, it becomes table salt.  When people read ingredients and say “oh my God, and you inject that into me?”  Yes, yes we do, and guess what?  It doesn’t kill you based on the amount and it’s ionic composition!

Finally, the fetal tissue accusation?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted-fetuses-vaccines/story?id=29005539

In other words, abortions do not occur because they want to use the fetus for vaccine production.  Abortions occur, and when they occur, just as a car accident can occur, the sacrifice made by that life can be used to save others.  It is no more than organ donation.

Finally, when you vaccinate, not only are your protecting yourself, but others around you who may not be able to take certain vaccines.  Herd immunity is a real thing.  If you don’t take the flu vaccine for instance, you may be healthy as a bull, but you will make toddlers and elderly sick from your presence, and you will be the cause of their avoidable death.

Enough with the ignorance and the random pulling of websites.  That’s not what “doing your research” is.  You want to learn how to do proper research?  Do a pubmed search.  Go to the local librarian and have him or her help you find good peer reviewed literature.  Don’t understand the literature?  Then you are not in a position to make a life threatening decision.  You need a professional.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 03:08:44 PM »
Its not that ALL vaccines are bad, its just the ingredients in some of them can cause horrible side effects. Also, an infant child is given to many at once, and not spread out. In japan they spread them out over a longer period of time, and have fewer side effects.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

Also some vaccines have ABORTED BABY TISSUE. I for one do want to have murdered babies injected into me. But maybe some people dont mind abortion.

http://medscienceresearch.com/aborted-human-fetal-dna-ingredient/

The HPV vaccine only cover 4 out of 30ish types, and its being injected into millions of kids.


https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/hpv-vaccination-cervical-cancer/

I dont trust the government, from testing syphilis drugs on blacks, to spying and tracking us all.  We all know their are bad elements who wish to do harm and that care only for the almighty dollar. On a side note, my wife is Filipino and never got 1 shot, neither did anyone in her family. Shes ok, as is all her relatives, all have had measles, and who knows what else.

I had the measles in 1981, when I was eight. I nearly died.

The year after that, after a big outcry from parents, the state made the vaccination mandatory for all school kids.

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2018, 03:15:36 PM »
Its not that ALL vaccines are bad, its just the ingredients in some of them can cause horrible side effects. Also, an infant child is given to many at once, and not spread out. In japan they spread them out over a longer period of time, and have fewer side effects.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

No vaccines are bad. If your healthcare system is botching their administration, that's another story entirely. Some unlucky people have allergies severe enough that they cannot be vaccinated, and they tend to be grateful for the rest of us who can.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/anti-vaccination-advocate-takedown/

Also some vaccines have ABORTED BABY TISSUE. I for one do want to have murdered babies injected into me. But maybe some people dont mind abortion.

http://medscienceresearch.com/aborted-human-fetal-dna-ingredient/

How about some real science for a change?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

The HPV vaccine only cover 4 out of 30ish types, and its being injected into millions of kids.


https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/hpv-vaccination-cervical-cancer/

The latest iteration covers 9 strains, which is a rather impressive improvement, considering how new it is. We'll get there. In the meantime...

https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/new-hpv-vaccine-may-protect-against-90-of-cervical-cancers/

I dont trust the government, from testing syphilis drugs on blacks, to spying and tracking us all.  We all know their are bad elements who wish to do harm and that care only for the almighty dollar. On a side note, my wife is Filipino and never got 1 shot, neither did anyone in her family. Shes ok, as is all her relatives, all have had measles, and who knows what else.

Because holding your government accountable is too much work, hm?

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2018, 05:45:07 PM »
Its not that ALL vaccines are bad, its just the ingredients in some of them can cause horrible side effects. Also, an infant child is given to many at once, and not spread out. In japan they spread them out over a longer period of time, and have fewer side effects.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2014/flu-vaccine-is-the-most-dangerous-vaccine-in-the-united-states-based-on-settled-cases-for-injuries/

No vaccines are bad. If your healthcare system is botching their administration, that's another story entirely. Some unlucky people have allergies severe enough that they cannot be vaccinated, and they tend to be grateful for the rest of us who can.

https://www.mamamia.com.au/anti-vaccination-advocate-takedown/

Also some vaccines have ABORTED BABY TISSUE. I for one do want to have murdered babies injected into me. But maybe some people dont mind abortion.

http://medscienceresearch.com/aborted-human-fetal-dna-ingredient/

How about some real science for a change?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

The HPV vaccine only cover 4 out of 30ish types, and its being injected into millions of kids.


https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/hpv-vaccination-cervical-cancer/

The latest iteration covers 9 strains, which is a rather impressive improvement, considering how new it is. We'll get there. In the meantime...

https://www.nhs.uk/news/cancer/new-hpv-vaccine-may-protect-against-90-of-cervical-cancers/

I dont trust the government, from testing syphilis drugs on blacks, to spying and tracking us all.  We all know their are bad elements who wish to do harm and that care only for the almighty dollar. On a side note, my wife is Filipino and never got 1 shot, neither did anyone in her family. Shes ok, as is all her relatives, all have had measles, and who knows what else.

Because holding your government accountable is too much work, hm?

http://gehayi.tumblr.com/post/110284942046/or-a-adinfinitumxx-appropriately-inappropriate

Thank you so much.  Very useful links for all parents.  Especially this one:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aborted-fetal-tissue-and-vaccines-combining-pseudoscience-and-religion-to-demonize-vaccines-2/

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2018, 06:49:25 PM »
It seems most are far more trustful of the government than I.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exercise-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-u

If you all get your vaccines, and me and mine don't, it'll all be ok because you cant get me sick  :)

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2018, 06:55:33 PM »
It seems most are far more trustful of the government than I.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exercise-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-u

If you all get your vaccines, and me and mine don't, it'll all be ok because you cant get me sick  :)

Life Site News are liars.

Also, look up "herd immunity."

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 06:58:46 PM »
It seems ive stirred up the sheep. Im dangerous, LOL. Thats funny.

https://www.livingwhole.org/what-you-didnt-know-about-the-aborted-baby-parts-in-your-vaccines/

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2018, 07:23:01 PM »
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2018, 07:28:09 PM »
It seems ive stirred up the sheep. Im dangerous, LOL. Thats funny.

https://www.livingwhole.org/what-you-didnt-know-about-the-aborted-baby-parts-in-your-vaccines/

I prefer not to participate in murder. But go on how its ok, and justify it all you want.

I'm not a sheep, and there are no "aborted baby parts" in vaccines.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2018, 07:35:22 PM »
But aborted fetal tissue was used, and has been used.

I dont see how its ok to you?

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 07:41:27 PM »
But aborted fetal tissue was used, and has been used.

I dont see how its ok to you?

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2018, 11:30:06 PM »



In other words, abortions do not occur because they want to use the fetus for vaccine production.  Abortions occur, and when they occur, just as a car accident can occur, the sacrifice made by that life can be used to save others.  It is no more than organ donation.

Ive never heard anyone compare abortion to a accident victim donating their organs. What if i told you planned parenthood has abortion quotas? What if they were actively pushing abortion to harvest baby parts?
Is a company that murders babies and sells their parts a company with morals, No they are profit driven.

If you can look past it, fine, but i cant. Their are aborted fetal tissues in some vaccines
https://www.liveaction.org/news/pressured-planned-parenthood-abortion-quota/

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2018, 11:35:23 PM »
They do not harvest baby parts, and they do not have quotas.

You need to quit believing garbage. A man shot up a clinic and killed several people because he believed that crap.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2018, 11:53:27 PM »
Mina said "can be" and nothing more.  A lot of things have potential that don't come to fruition, nor is potential automatically an imperative.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 12:17:54 AM »
They do not harvest baby parts, and they do not have quotas.

You need to quit believing garbage. A man shot up a clinic and killed several people because he believed that crap.

https://www.liveaction.org/news/pressured-planned-parenthood-abortion-quota/

There is a youtube video from project veritas where they (PP) candidly talks about selling baby parts, livers, arms and legs.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DjjxwVuozMnU&ved=0ahUKEwiQhZ_qkrbZAhUJ61MKHfzmAU8Qt9IBCEcwBQ&usg=AOvVaw3DtXi-Tr0Zfwt9F0MPU4xt

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2018, 12:26:11 AM »
The people who made that video went to jail. It was heavily edited.

It was a lie, and a man really did shoot up a clinic and kill several people because of it.

Why do you not know this was a lie?

Do you really believe anything people tell you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Daleiden

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/28/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting.html

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2018, 12:37:33 AM »
He advocated reverting current laws back to the time when all elective abortions were criminal acts

Sounds like a good man to me. Your saying the women in the video didnt say those things? She didnt candidly discuss baby parts like they were a widget?
Abortion = murder, or do you not think that?

Shooting up an abortion office is murder, or is killing a baby killer a defensive act? Either way abortion/murder is wrong and immoral

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2018, 12:45:21 AM »
THE VIDEO WAS HEAVILY EDITED. It's essentially a string of falsehoods.

So, shooting random strangers in a clinic is okay to you.

You believe lies, and you think shooting strangers is "a defensive act."

Disgusting and ignorant.

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2018, 01:40:19 AM »



In other words, abortions do not occur because they want to use the fetus for vaccine production.  Abortions occur, and when they occur, just as a car accident can occur, the sacrifice made by that life can be used to save others.  It is no more than organ donation.

Ive never heard anyone compare abortion to a accident victim donating their organs. What if i told you planned parenthood has abortion quotas? What if they were actively pushing abortion to harvest baby parts?
Is a company that murders babies and sells their parts a company with morals, No they are profit driven.

If you can look past it, fine, but i cant. Their are aborted fetal tissues in some vaccines
https://www.liveaction.org/news/pressured-planned-parenthood-abortion-quota/

Well, the problem with your logic is the cells which come from an aborted fetus came from only one fetus, apparently aborted to save the mother’s life in the 1960s, and that same 1960s aborted cells are used, and you call that a quota?

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2018, 02:02:51 AM »
Quota?

No, the one murdered baby might not have been a quota but today it seems there are.

Theres no sense arguing, I'm pro life, some others aren't.
All i can say is abortion is murder, and any tissue used in vaccines that came/come from a murdered baby, injected into another human is satanic.

Mark of the beast, HA, its injected by the beast.

To the other person who is ignoring me, thats fine we are one two different ends of the spectrum.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-vaccine-ruling-parents-cant-sue-drug-makers-for-kids-health-problems/

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2018, 03:37:19 AM »
God bless you all, i harbor no ill will.

Great. Then I assume you will be doing the responsible thing and keeping the unvaccinated members of your family in the house, away from interactions with other people?
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2018, 10:00:03 AM »
This study finds a link between Hep B vaccines administered to infants a month or two after birth and hyperkinetic syndrome in children (e.g., ADD, ADHD, etc.).

http://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/6/1/9

This study finds a 3X increase in autism among boys who received the Hep B vaccine within the first month after birth.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2010.519317

There's lots of other studies on problems with the Hep B vaccine. I can't find anything on the other vaccines. Mercury is a problem (https://www.nature.com/articles/4001177), so we always ask before loading up on a flu shot.

Anyway, we declined HepB. The doctors give us their stern looks.

My take is: when a doctor can recommend -- usually with zealous fervor -- injecting into a brand new baby a chemical, which evidence suggests might be causing developmental problems, the rest of their recommendations get an added dose of scrutiny. I'm sure I don't need to post pictures of thalidomide babies to prove the point that doctors can get it wrong, and often do.

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2018, 10:05:15 AM »
Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2018, 10:12:59 AM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2018, 10:19:37 AM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/

Yep. Filing this under 'incorrect use'.
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2018, 10:32:39 AM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/

Yep. Filing this under 'incorrect use'.

Which means docs in the US are needlessly putting infants at risk of developmental problems, given evidence regarding the HepB vaccine. 

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2018, 10:37:14 AM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/

Yep. Filing this under 'incorrect use'.

Which means docs in the US are needlessly putting infants at risk of developmental problems, given evidence regarding the HepB vaccine.

The pressure to make more money can be overwhelming.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2018, 01:02:43 PM »
This study finds a link between Hep B vaccines administered to infants a month or two after birth and hyperkinetic syndrome in children (e.g., ADD, ADHD, etc.).

http://www.mdpi.com/2076-3425/6/1/9

This study finds a 3X increase in autism among boys who received the Hep B vaccine within the first month after birth.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2010.519317

There's lots of other studies on problems with the Hep B vaccine. I can't find anything on the other vaccines. Mercury is a problem (https://www.nature.com/articles/4001177), so we always ask before loading up on a flu shot.

Anyway, we declined HepB. The doctors give us their stern looks.

My take is: when a doctor can recommend -- usually with zealous fervor -- injecting into a brand new baby a chemical, which evidence suggests might be causing developmental problems, the rest of their recommendations get an added dose of scrutiny. I'm sure I don't need to post pictures of thalidomide babies to prove the point that doctors can get it wrong, and often do.

Good info, as is seems more shots given early lead to issues later. To bad nobody can sue over it, its the only thing i can think of not eligible for a lawsuit.
http://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/vaccine-dangers/

Weve went from 1 in 150, to 1 in 68 in 12 years (since 1992) in 1980, or 1970 what were the chances of autism?
What is causing it? Nobody cares vaccines could be creating a whole generation of autistic kids
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2018, 01:05:41 PM »
Autism from 1975 to 2009.


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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2018, 01:26:39 PM »
Diagnosed cases fitting the definition of Autism from 1975 to 2009.

Fixed it for you.
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2018, 02:09:45 PM »
Autism from 1975 to 2009.

There are tons of medical issues that follow the same pattern. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, for example, which started getting attention in the 70s, and which is now recognized as a problem impacting tens of millions of people. Is it that alcohol use during pregnancy spun out of control in the last couple generations? Or did alcohol producers add all sorts of harmful chemicals that weren't there before? No, it just wasn't as medically recognized or identified with a label, and didn't have broad public awareness before.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2018, 02:22:38 PM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/

Yep. Filing this under 'incorrect use'.

Which means docs in the US are needlessly putting infants at risk of developmental problems, given evidence regarding the HepB vaccine.

There is no evidence.  Correlation does not equate causation.  Until studies can confirm this association, you can’t call it “evidence”.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2018, 04:35:25 PM »
Yesterday I was and my grandparents, who were going to visit my grandma's home island (which became a major touristic destination over the decades) today and my grandpa said he wasn't going to vaccine for the yellow fever. In a matter of minutes the news reported seven deaths from yellow fever in this very island. I hope he didn't go.
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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2018, 09:35:15 PM »
Diagnosed cases fitting the definition of Autism from 1975 to 2009.

Fixed it for you.r

So just ignore the link above then? The one from the cdc.
Austism is on the rise, that isnt debatable. Question is whats causing it? Vaccines, additives, drugs? Its better to walk a 5k, and put a magnet on your car, than to ask WHY?




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Re: Vaccination and the Virus of Fear
« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2018, 09:36:22 PM »
Yesterday I was and my grandparents, who were going to visit my grandma's home island (which became a major touristic destination over the decades) today and my grandpa said he wasn't going to vaccine for the yellow fever. In a matter of minutes the news reported seven deaths from yellow fever in this very island. I hope he didn't go.

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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2018, 10:09:46 PM »
That part about Hep B "only given earlier" simply isn't true at the hospital we were at. We were compelled to fill out a form, in advance, declining the vaccine.

And no surprise. The CDC recommends that "all babies should get the first shot of hepatitis B vaccine shortly after birth."  (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/child/hepb.html)

Totally different countries and practices, evidently.



Vaccinations under 8 weeks of age have an elevated chance of failure, because a newborn's system is not mature enough to process them. HepB is given earlier only if the mother is infected, in which case there's a lot more at stake than a chance of autism.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/childhood-vaccines-timeline/

Yep. Filing this under 'incorrect use'.

Which means docs in the US are needlessly putting infants at risk of developmental problems, given evidence regarding the HepB vaccine.

There is no evidence.  Correlation does not equate causation.  Until studies can confirm this association, you can’t call it “evidence”.

1) Yes you can call it evidence. It's practically the book definition of it.
2) You must've missed the cites I posted above. Those articles included theory. For instance, the physiological link between Hg and developmental problems appear to be well known. Don't take my word for it ... I offered cites to back it up.  I'm just a social scientist! :p
3) But thanks for the platitude anyway! "Causation doesn't equal correlation." I'll need to write that one down, lol.