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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #855 on: August 19, 2013, 04:34:41 AM »
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #856 on: August 19, 2013, 10:18:39 AM »
Would someone just answer somebody's question so the discussion can actually make some progress?
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #857 on: August 19, 2013, 10:24:03 AM »
Would someone just answer somebody's question so the discussion can actually make some progress?

Progress? Extremely unlikely given views are polarised, best that may be had is to agree to fundamentally disagree. :-[
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« Reply #858 on: August 19, 2013, 10:27:09 AM »
Would someone just answer somebody's question so the discussion can actually make some progress?

Progress? Extremely unlikely given views are polarised, best that may be had is to agree to fundamentally disagree. :-[

You're probably right.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #859 on: August 19, 2013, 10:35:21 AM »
It seems like a no brainer to me. Altering your mental state with any sort of drug or alcohol, outside of necessary medical treatment, would seem to be sinful to me. The difference between MJ and alcohol to me is that I dont know anyone (maybe yall do) who smokes MJ without the intention to get high. One the other hand, practically everyone I know drinks alcohol without the intention to get drunk, or even buzzed. I can have a couple beers with friends without feeling a thing. Certainly should be used with caution though as I would agree that alcohol CAN be much more dangerous when abused.

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #860 on: August 19, 2013, 10:45:41 AM »
Did anyone see the special the other night called Weed?  It was very interesting.  I haven't really worked out exactly what I believe, but it was a interesting perspective into the use of medical marijuana.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #861 on: August 19, 2013, 10:59:35 AM »
Does anyone know if there have been any relatively recent statements by a recognized Orthodox body (such as a synod) on this topic? I guess individual laypeople will have any number of opinions, but I don't read a lot of official church things, so I don't know what for instance the bishops have said about this. I am of the opinion that if the Bible says "Be not drunk on wine," it implies we shouldn't make ourselves drunk-like with other things. However, that is just my personal thing and I may be wrong. Thanks.

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« Reply #862 on: August 19, 2013, 12:20:35 PM »
It seems like a no brainer to me. Altering your mental state with any sort of drug or alcohol, outside of necessary medical treatment, would seem to be sinful to me. The difference between MJ and alcohol to me is that I dont know anyone (maybe yall do) who smokes MJ without the intention to get high. One the other hand, practically everyone I know drinks alcohol without the intention to get drunk, or even buzzed. I can have a couple beers with friends without feeling a thing. Certainly should be used with caution though as I would agree that alcohol CAN be much more dangerous when abused.



There is a singular difference between the two. The God-Man turned water into wine and used wine at the Last Supper. This use continued at every Liturgy to the present should be remembered by those who in promoting MJ chose to disparage alcohol. I never use MJ and outside the communion cup only partake of a couple of wine glasses a year. Being drunk or stoned is altering your mental state, and certainly St John of Kronstadt viewed drunkenness as a serious sin.

As for those who drive while in a mind altered state due substance use I just hope neither me or mine find ourselves on the same road. Know enough officers on the Central Police Motorway Group who can testify neither substance improves drinking ability or 'chills out' drivers.

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #863 on: August 19, 2013, 05:07:03 PM »
Caught sight of an article in today's The Times by Dr Mark Porter headlined "Cannabis is Dangerous".

The article won't change any bodies views, of course, but it is nice to have someone else say what I have been saying for a long time. In particular, with apologies to the author Lee Childs, it's effect of turning every day into Sunday. Certainly had that effect on some my clinical colleagues, much to my horror.

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« Reply #864 on: August 20, 2013, 09:29:36 AM »
I'm late to this conversation, but I am absolutely dumbfounded by how many posts there are on this.  And, frankly, this is such a ridiculous topic that I Cannot believe that every possible angle has not been covered already.  What's the only reason to continue this?  There's no consensu, people are going to keep talking past each other for another 800 responses.  Seriously, what's the point?

This is applicable to many, many threads. You have managed to synthesize the feelings of so many. Thank you.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #865 on: August 20, 2013, 12:31:46 PM »
I'm late to this conversation, but I am absolutely dumbfounded by how many posts there are on this.  And, frankly, this is such a ridiculous topic that I Cannot believe that every possible angle has not been covered already.  What's the only reason to continue this?  There's no consensu, people are going to keep talking past each other for another 800 responses.  Seriously, what's the point?

This is applicable to many, many threads. You have managed to synthesize the feelings of so many. Thank you.
So what are you doing to improve the situation?
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« Reply #866 on: August 20, 2013, 12:39:36 PM »
This is applicable to many, many threads. You have managed to synthesize the feelings of so many. Thank you.
So what are you doing to improve the situation?

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #867 on: August 20, 2013, 01:09:39 PM »
I'm late to this conversation, but I am absolutely dumbfounded by how many posts there are on this.  And, frankly, this is such a ridiculous topic that I Cannot believe that every possible angle has not been covered already.  What's the only reason to continue this?  There's no consensu, people are going to keep talking past each other for another 800 responses.  Seriously, what's the point?

This is applicable to many, many threads. You have managed to synthesize the feelings of so many. Thank you.
So what are you doing to improve the situation?
I, for one, mostly just complain and point fingers at others.  I find that it helps immensely.  ;D
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #868 on: August 20, 2013, 01:29:30 PM »
Does anyone know of a case where a physician prescribed marijuana to a patient and the priest/bishop has blessed it (the action of using it as medicine, not blessing the marijuana itself)?  Just curious.
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« Reply #869 on: August 20, 2013, 01:36:20 PM »
There is this street in chicago called weed. "I live on weed".

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #870 on: August 20, 2013, 02:03:45 PM »
There is this street in chicago called weed. "I live on weed".

Which is also near a street called Hooker.  Just saying. :P
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #871 on: August 20, 2013, 03:31:31 PM »
Does anyone know of a case where a physician prescribed marijuana to a patient and the priest/bishop has blessed it

Why would medical procedure need a blessing from a bishop?
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« Reply #872 on: August 20, 2013, 06:55:31 PM »
Does anyone know of a case where a physician prescribed marijuana to a patient and the priest/bishop has blessed it

Why would medical procedure need a blessing from a bishop?
or, frankly, why should I care?

I respect the bishops, but if my doctor is telling me I should smoke weed or take a THC pill for medication...I'm doing it and I'm not looking for a blessing.
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« Reply #873 on: August 20, 2013, 06:59:10 PM »
There is this street in chicago called weed. "I live on weed".

Which is also near a street called Hooker.  Just saying. :P
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #874 on: December 25, 2013, 10:47:36 AM »


yeah, I know it's not that. still looking funny
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #875 on: January 23, 2014, 02:55:18 PM »
Jan. 22, 2014 — Exposing adolescent rats to THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) –the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana—can lead to molecular and behavioral alterations in the next generation of offspring, even though progeny were not directly exposed to the drug, researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai have found.
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“Our study emphasizes that cannabis [marijuana] affects not just those exposed, but has adverse affects on future generations,” said Yasmin Hurd, PhD, the study’s senior author, and professor of psychiatry and neuroscience at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “Finding increased vulnerability to drug addiction and compulsive behavior in generations not directly exposed is an important consideration for legislators considering legalizing marijuana.”
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« Reply #876 on: January 24, 2014, 11:25:36 AM »
Recently, the OCF at my college was debating whether smoking marijuana was a sin.  I was wondering what any of your thoughts were regarding "smoking poit"

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The last thing you want to do is ask college students. Ask your priest. Smoking anything is a sin. It is a sin to put toxic and mind altering things into the body, which is supposed to be holy, and a temple of the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #877 on: January 27, 2014, 12:25:09 AM »
Does anyone know if there have been any relatively recent statements by a recognized Orthodox body (such as a synod) on this topic? I guess individual laypeople will have any number of opinions, but I don't read a lot of official church things, so I don't know what for instance the bishops have said about this. I am of the opinion that if the Bible says "Be not drunk on wine," it implies we shouldn't make ourselves drunk-like with other things. However, that is just my personal thing and I may be wrong. Thanks.

The wine topic is a very, VERY biased one of the human flesh rather than the spirit.

Those who are repulsed by drinking (prophet Mohammed) will use the very same scriptures for backing their personal viepoint. Others will go the other way.

Then theres the realistic translation of what the would have meant in context and considering theyr limited language and alphabet.

I think alchohol in the bible speaks for itself...  as well as the daily health benefits.

I think being a 'that guy' at the Christmas party - 'the drunkard' also speaks for itself.

Then theres the opinion of man afterwards telling other men what to do.

The issue with the latter is limited free choice on the opinion of man, not what is written.

I mean... I've read lies on large blogs saying that wine wasnt invented back then and they really meant grape juice. These are the lengths people will go through in order to overule the Word into their own viewpoints.

God put MJ on the earth. By stomping out that plant you are stomping out Gods creaton which is stomping out God.

Mj is terribly addictive like ciggarettes and its best to be kept out of reach for easy sale at the stores.

However, those who want to exersize free will can chose to grow it at home or buy through private delivery service. No coffee shops, no corner stores, no advertising, no easy access.

If they really want to have an addiction like ciggarettes, then go ahead and use free will. Maybe it helps your OCD or whatever. Who am i to judge.

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #878 on: August 11, 2014, 09:47:56 PM »
"Frequent marijuana use can have a significant negative effect on the brains of teenagers and young adults, including cognitive decline, poor attention and memory, and decreased IQ, according to psychologists discussing public health implications of marijuana legalization at the American Psychological Association's 122nd Annual Convention.
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Additionally, people's acceptance of legalized medical marijuana use appears to have an effect on adolescents' perception of the drug's risks, according to Bettina Friese, PhD, of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in California. She presented results from a 2013 study of 17,482 teenagers in Montana, which found marijuana use among teenagers was higher in counties where larger numbers of people voted to legalize medical marijuana in 2004. In addition, teens in counties with more votes for the legalization of medical marijuana perceived marijuana use to be less risky."
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #879 on: August 11, 2014, 10:30:54 PM »
Not a orthodox video but still an interesting one to watch

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« Reply #880 on: August 11, 2014, 10:31:52 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.
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« Reply #881 on: August 11, 2014, 10:35:15 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

Wasn't me >_>

Kind of wish this thread would die in a horrible fire

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« Reply #882 on: August 11, 2014, 10:42:08 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

Wasn't me >_>

Kind of wish this thread would die in a horrible fire

Hopefully no marijuana plants will be harmed in said fire.
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« Reply #883 on: August 11, 2014, 10:42:27 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #884 on: September 14, 2014, 08:38:44 PM »
I would like to let you know that -on that day- I was searching for some Hashish and had about $60 dollars , if you find this person please let me know.

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« Reply #885 on: September 14, 2014, 09:37:48 PM »
I would like to let you know that -on that day- I was searching for some Hashish and had about $60 dollars , if you find this person please let me know.

I don't think anyone on this board is going to help you buy hash.

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« Reply #886 on: September 14, 2014, 09:44:51 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.

Forget the moon, I am still under the effects of that latest CME. It was a wipe-out, but the auroras were awesome.

I think most of us would agree that smoking marijuana would be a sin because of the carcinogens in it, much like cigarette and cigar smoke. However, taking medicinal marijuana orally would be of benefit to those suffering from cancer, at least easing their pain.

The plant has so many pluses. It is a shame to outlaw this humble plant that has so much to give us in the way of plant fibers (hemp) to make ropes, burlap, shoes, etc.



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« Reply #887 on: September 14, 2014, 10:05:18 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

Wasn't me >_>

Kind of wish this thread would die in a horrible fire

Yeah, it gets that way with some threads.  :P

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #888 on: September 14, 2014, 10:49:57 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.

Forget the moon, I am still under the effects of that latest CME. It was a wipe-out, but the auroras were awesome.

I think most of us would agree that smoking marijuana would be a sin because of the carcinogens in it, much like cigarette and cigar smoke.
I think most of us would disagree with that point of view.
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« Reply #889 on: September 14, 2014, 10:58:07 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.

Forget the moon, I am still under the effects of that latest CME. It was a wipe-out, but the auroras were awesome.

I think most of us would agree that smoking marijuana would be a sin because of the carcinogens in it, much like cigarette and cigar smoke.
I think most of us would disagree with that point of view.

Has there been a poll at OC.net to prove your point. Speaking of which ....

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However, taking medicinal marijuana orally would be of benefit to those suffering from cancer, at least easing their pain.

The plant has so many pluses. It is a shame to outlaw this humble plant that has so much to give us in the way of plant fibers (hemp) to make ropes, burlap, shoes, etc.

You left out the last portion of my response.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #890 on: September 14, 2014, 11:04:31 PM »
so basically, the summary of your opinion is


'it's a sin with lots of benefits'



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« Reply #891 on: September 14, 2014, 11:04:42 PM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.

Forget the moon, I am still under the effects of that latest CME. It was a wipe-out, but the auroras were awesome.

I think most of us would agree that smoking marijuana would be a sin because of the carcinogens in it, much like cigarette and cigar smoke.
I think most of us would disagree with that point of view.

Has there been a poll at OC.net to prove your point.
Has there been a poll here to prove yours?

Speaking of which ....

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However, taking medicinal marijuana orally would be of benefit to those suffering from cancer, at least easing their pain.

The plant has so many pluses. It is a shame to outlaw this humble plant that has so much to give us in the way of plant fibers (hemp) to make ropes, burlap, shoes, etc.

You left out the last portion of my response.
Yes, I know I did. I saw nothing there to which I felt any need to reply.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #892 on: September 14, 2014, 11:41:06 PM »
so basically, the summary of your opinion is


'it's a sin with lots of benefits'

Those are my favourite sins.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #893 on: September 15, 2014, 12:27:40 AM »
I was so hoping someone would resurrect this thread.

We're under the effects of the super moon still. Also, it's Monday.

Forget the moon, I am still under the effects of that latest CME. It was a wipe-out, but the auroras were awesome.

I think most of us would agree that smoking marijuana would be a sin because of the carcinogens in it, much like cigarette and cigar smoke. However, taking medicinal marijuana orally would be of benefit to those suffering from cancer, at least easing their pain.

The plant has so many pluses. It is a shame to outlaw this humble plant that has so much to give us in the way of plant fibers (hemp) to make ropes, burlap, shoes, etc.





So you are saying that smoking tobacco, in and of itself, is a sin because it can cause cancer? To me this is Protestant and borders on heresy. I call it Healthism. If heresy is too strong a word, then error. It is true that smoking tobacco causes cancer. But not in everyone. Is the risk serious enough to constitute a sin? My argument is that the harm has to be immediate enough to constitute sin. And I mean all kinds of tobacco, from cigarettes to the pipe. Any excess generally constitutes gluttony, but only in an immediate sense of sin, like eating or drinking too much. But there is no sin of self-harm, like say in cutting yourself which is an immediate injury.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #894 on: September 15, 2014, 12:30:35 AM »
I'm addressing the tobacco because you seem to imply that the risk to health is the sin. If marijuana is a sin (outside of health reasons of course) it is a sin because of gluttony, but mainly the injury done to ones ability to judge, like being drunk is a sin for that reason. Being drunk is not a sin because it harms your health--it's not really going to do serious health unless you are an alcoholic. It's a sin because of excess (gluttony) and the injury to your ability to judge right from wrong, making yourself more vulnerable to other sins.
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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #895 on: September 24, 2014, 06:14:32 PM »
Being drunk is not a sin, but Orthodox Tradition of Holy Russia.

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Re: Is smoking marijuana a sin?
« Reply #896 on: September 24, 2014, 06:15:41 PM »
Being drunk is not a sin, but Orthodox Tradition of Holy Russia.

That seems as good a place as any to lock this thread.  Thanks to all for your participation. 
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