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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #270 on: June 12, 2018, 04:03:22 PM »
please answer truthfully what did everyone think of my contributions! (the links)

If you wish to retain your sanity on internets (and in life in general) I'd suggest stop caring about what people think about you and post anyway.

That said, the icons were quite nice.

Should've not said anything to make your point.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #271 on: June 12, 2018, 05:00:50 PM »
^Just saying something I wish someone had told me when I was younger.
I just need to find out how to say it in Slavonic!

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #272 on: June 12, 2018, 06:46:22 PM »
Well, when I heard from my priest that he has to deal with depressed teenagers because they didn't get at least 100 "likes" at the end of the day, it's probably a good advice, depending on the age of the poster.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #273 on: June 12, 2018, 07:07:57 PM »
Well, when I heard from my priest that he has to deal with depressed teenagers because they didn't get at least 100 "likes" at the end of the day, it's probably a good advice, depending on the age of the poster.

Especially as well if English is not his first language (which, based on his jurisdiction, seems to be the case).
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #274 on: June 13, 2018, 11:05:29 AM »
^Considering how many mistakes I make that should be fairly obvious.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #275 on: June 13, 2018, 01:31:46 PM »
I was talking about Orthodox Slav.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #276 on: June 14, 2018, 12:23:20 PM »
well, thanks for the replies and thanks for the interesting comment alpo! and I can speak English fluently by the way!
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #277 on: June 16, 2018, 10:56:04 AM »
my pictures that were in links previously  ;)













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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #278 on: June 17, 2018, 07:22:32 AM »
all saints of Britain:
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #279 on: June 23, 2018, 06:28:34 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.

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« Reply #280 on: June 23, 2018, 07:54:20 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.

Saint Catherine of Alexandria (left), Saint Lawrence the Deacon (right).

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #281 on: June 23, 2018, 08:29:18 PM »
It's a deeisis setup, where Christ in the center is flanked by supplicating saints; in this case the Mother of God and John the Forerunner. 
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #282 on: June 23, 2018, 10:46:44 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.



Is that Our Lady of Walsingham in Houston? I’ve been there before, but didn’t notice the icons on the altar.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #283 on: June 24, 2018, 09:50:52 AM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #284 on: June 24, 2018, 10:05:33 AM »
What's with the Hebrew?
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #285 on: June 24, 2018, 10:22:45 AM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #286 on: June 24, 2018, 10:34:26 AM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?

Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #287 on: June 24, 2018, 10:50:10 AM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?

Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew

yes but this is an Anglican church!
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #288 on: June 24, 2018, 12:03:45 PM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?

Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew
yes but this is an Anglican church!
The Aleph symbolizes truth, as does the Tav. Though since it's the last letter in the Hebrew alphabet, it means beginning and end. It's related to the "Alpha and Omega" symbol in Greek.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #289 on: June 24, 2018, 12:20:07 PM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?

Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew
yes but this is an Anglican church!
The Aleph symbolizes truth, as does the Tav. Though since it's the last letter in the Hebrew alphabet, it means beginning and end. It's related to the "Alpha and Omega" symbol in Greek.

thanks i get it now
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #290 on: June 24, 2018, 01:29:11 PM »
why is there Hebrew :o surely this is not a synagogue this is not a Jewish place of worship! whats Hebrew doing there!?
I suspect the holy prophets didn't talk to God in Slavonic.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #291 on: June 24, 2018, 01:31:41 PM »
Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew
I wonder who uses it. I mean, there are plenty of Orthodox Christians from Palestine and abroad in Israel, but I wouldn't expect such a fast substitution of their mother languages so that their liturgical language would change from Greek, Slavonic or Georgian to Hebrew in 70 years at most. Or there is active mission, but I never heard of such.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #292 on: June 24, 2018, 01:53:53 PM »
Hebrew is also one of the languages of the Orthodox Church:

Paschal troparion in Hebrew
I wonder who uses it. I mean, there are plenty of Orthodox Christians from Palestine and abroad in Israel, but I wouldn't expect such a fast substitution of their mother languages so that their liturgical language would change from Greek, Slavonic or Georgian to Hebrew in 70 years at most. Or there is active mission, but I never heard of such.

I know there is a community of Russian Jews that are Orthodox Christians in Haifa.  I suppose it's unique parish that uses Hebrew as a liturgical language. A friend of mine, an only priest in the Polish Church that knows Hebrew, got from them (after months of exchanging e-mails) Horologion in Hebrew.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #293 on: June 24, 2018, 02:07:18 PM »
I know there is a community of Russian Jews that are Orthodox Christians in Haifa.  I suppose it's unique parish that uses Hebrew as a liturgical language. A friend of mine, an only priest in the Polish Church that knows Hebrew, got from them (after months of exchanging e-mails) Horologion in Hebrew.
Wow, really interesting! Also, there's a PAOC priest in Rio who knows Hebrew too.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #294 on: June 24, 2018, 02:11:56 PM »
Russian Jews that are orthodox Christians now thats something new!? there usually either follow Judaism or are atheists.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #295 on: June 24, 2018, 02:51:38 PM »
Russian Jews that are orthodox Christians now thats something new!? there usually either follow Judaism or are atheists.
I know in person such 2 brothers.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #296 on: June 24, 2018, 03:24:32 PM »
Also - I know there are a lot of criticisms for other reasons - the Cathedral of Christ the Savior's infamous painting of the Trinity has Hebrew as well.

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #297 on: June 24, 2018, 03:28:37 PM »
Also - I know there are a lot of criticisms for other reasons - the Cathedral of Christ the Savior's infamous painting of the Trinity has Hebrew as well.



i cant even look at it without cringing not because of the Hebrew  but just because of the old man God the father and the way it looks so unorthodox OH MY WHAT WAS THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH THINKING WHEN THEY MADE THIS!
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #298 on: June 24, 2018, 04:19:20 PM »
Also - I know there are a lot of criticisms for other reasons - the Cathedral of Christ the Savior's infamous painting of the Trinity has Hebrew as well.



i cant even look at it without cringing not because of the Hebrew  but just because of the old man God the father and the way it looks so unorthodox OH MY WHAT WAS THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH THINKING WHEN THEY MADE THIS!

They were thinking they should embrace the captivity of the Russian Church.

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« Reply #299 on: June 24, 2018, 04:24:50 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.



btw in this picture, Jesus' feet are crossed on the crucifix and this is the heresy of Triclavianism!
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« Reply #300 on: June 24, 2018, 04:40:52 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.


this is the heresy of Triclavianism!

I don't think that was ever condemned by the Orthodox church.

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« Reply #301 on: June 24, 2018, 04:43:49 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.

btw in this picture, Jesus' feet are crossed on the crucifix and this is the heresy of Triclavianism!

I find that way less imperfect than Russia's main Cathedral.
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« Reply #302 on: June 24, 2018, 04:48:35 PM »
They were thinking they should embrace the captivity of the Russian Church.

Who is the Russian Orthodox Church held captive by? Communism is dead... that is, mostly dead. There's a huge difference between being completely dead and mostly dead.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #303 on: June 24, 2018, 04:57:23 PM »
This is from an Anglican Ordinariate church, but it really stuck out to me - aside from the Virgin Mary looking to the right towards Jesus and not towards the viewer. I also don't recognize the two Saints on the left and right of the altar.


this is the heresy of Triclavianism!

I don't think that was ever condemned by the Orthodox church.

even though it was not necessarily condemned by any of the Eastern Orthodox churches during the time of the great schism when The roman catholic church was brewing up its horrible heresies they started to depicted the crucifixion with Jesus Christ's feet crossed
this act even though it is a minor one cause disruption in the church cause you have the orthodox looking at the Catholic crosses and going hey that looks different the feet are crossed in our crosses his feet are apart. I can assure you if you do some research you will find that before the schism both Rome and the east depicted Christ's feet apart!!!  >:(
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #304 on: June 24, 2018, 06:31:41 PM »
They were thinking they should embrace the captivity of the Russian Church.

Who is the Russian Orthodox Church held captive by? Communism is dead... that is, mostly dead. There's a huge difference between being completely dead and mostly dead.
Jackson is referring to the infiltration of Latin ideals and patterns in the Russian Orthodox Church, which is often called the "Western Captivity".
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #305 on: June 24, 2018, 06:42:05 PM »
Ah. That period.
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« Reply #306 on: June 24, 2018, 06:46:26 PM »
Ah. That period.

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« Reply #307 on: June 24, 2018, 07:15:07 PM »
I know, right? Why is it outside the quotation marks?
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« Reply #308 on: June 24, 2018, 07:25:20 PM »
Ah. That period.

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I don't get it, do I sound British?  :police:  (Scotland Yahd emoticon)
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #309 on: June 24, 2018, 07:39:18 PM »
He's using a play on the word "period."
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #310 on: June 25, 2018, 01:18:16 PM »
This painting is a mix mash of iconographic themes, so I don't know if it could be completely regarded as an "icon", but



This is from the 13th century Spain.
It's the awaiting of Final Judgement with Christ Enthroned in Majesty after the people have risen from the tombs, with many under the protection of the Theotokos.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #311 on: June 25, 2018, 01:38:29 PM »
It seems this painting is actually from Spoleto, Italy, and there's some early neo-Byzantinism there. I googled it since I found this influence strange for late medieval Spain (although it might even be possible since the Visigothic Kingdom was frequently just Byzantine cosplay, so maybe some influence might have endured, who knows).
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #312 on: June 25, 2018, 01:40:06 PM »
all saints of Britain:

"Two Romes fell, a third stands, and there will not be a fourth one."-Philotheus of Pskov

Christ is risen from the dead,
Trampling down death by death,
And upon those in the tombs
Bestowing life!- Paschal troparion

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #313 on: June 25, 2018, 01:40:41 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #314 on: June 25, 2018, 01:50:48 PM »
Sorry, I'm an idiot.
Why would you say that? Don't be so tough with yourself...
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