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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #180 on: March 21, 2018, 04:47:13 PM »
Weingarten Missal from Germany

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #181 on: March 22, 2018, 01:05:03 AM »
Saint Ambrose Mosaic from the Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio.

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #182 on: March 22, 2018, 07:35:41 PM »
The killing of Able from Sicily


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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #183 on: March 22, 2018, 07:48:40 PM »
Cain after Abel's murder:

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #184 on: March 22, 2018, 07:51:23 PM »
Saint Ambrose Mosaic from the Basilica of Sant'Ambrogio.



I also thought that made him look a bit like George Carlin (maybe Ringo Starr).
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #185 on: March 23, 2018, 06:57:12 AM »
Weingarten Missal from Germany



Love it! Plus the legs are separated!
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #186 on: March 23, 2018, 07:06:53 PM »
Down with the heresy of Triclavianism! :P
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #187 on: March 24, 2018, 12:33:18 AM »
The miraculous catch in sant'apollinare nuovo:

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #188 on: March 24, 2018, 07:06:45 AM »
Down with the heresy of Triclavianism! :P

:laugh:

Some Orthodox (at least in some parts of Poland) are convinced that the 4th nail was stolen by a Gypsy.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #189 on: March 24, 2018, 04:32:09 PM »
Down with the heresy of Triclavianism! :P

:laugh:

Some Orthodox (at least in some parts of Poland) are convinced that the 4th nail was stolen by a Gypsy.

Hah! Well, there's only three nails on the Coat of Arms of Drahovce, Slovokia. Maybe there's some historical relation.




Apparently, St. Gregory of Tours thought that they one of them got thrown into the Adriatic to calm a storm.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #190 on: March 24, 2018, 04:39:19 PM »
Wow, so interesting.
I've found a description in Slovak

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Obec má svoj  erb, ktorý schválilo obecné zastupiteľstvo dňa 22. 04. 1997. Je umiestnený na obecnom úrade, na začiatku, a na konci obce. Zobrazené sú na ňom tri klince, pripomínajúce ukrižovaného Ježiša Krista a patria k tzv. arma christi, sú aj symbolom Rádu jezuitov, ktorí pôsobili v našej obci. Pri skrížení nôh sa použil len jeden klinec a dva na ruky. Slnko a dva klasy symbolizujú slnečný kraj, a úrodnú pôdu.

From this site: http://obecdrahovce.sk/navstevnik/insignie/
It seems it's because of the Jesuits (always these guys!)
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #191 on: March 24, 2018, 06:22:46 PM »
Oh, wow. Thanks.

And I'm surprised that it was only approved in 1997. Guess they had to wait for the fall of Communism.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #192 on: March 26, 2018, 03:26:06 PM »
This is one of the most beautiful pieces of art from the 12th century, France.



http://www.learn.columbia.edu/treasuresofheaven/relics/Reliquary-of-the-True-Cross-85.php
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #193 on: March 26, 2018, 09:11:08 PM »
Christ mosaic from Santa Costanza


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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #195 on: March 27, 2018, 01:36:43 AM »
Really interesting, thanks! I always wondered why so much non-liturgical Anglo-Saxon (and Old Irish) didn't lead to a translation of the liturgy from Latin. Did the bishops/Pope block it or did the people not want it?
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #196 on: March 28, 2018, 01:15:49 PM »
Pietro Lorenzetti

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #197 on: March 28, 2018, 03:27:48 PM »
Really interesting, thanks! I always wondered why so much non-liturgical Anglo-Saxon (and Old Irish) didn't lead to a translation of the liturgy from Latin. Did the bishops/Pope block it or did the people not want it?

From what I’ve been told, the people didn’t want it because the Celts said the liturgy in the language of the people. Celtic Christianity, before 1066,was much closer to the Orthodox church.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #198 on: March 28, 2018, 03:39:41 PM »
There is no such thing as "Celtic Christianity". The Irish, Welsh, etc said mass in Latin.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #199 on: March 28, 2018, 03:50:31 PM »
There is no such thing as "Celtic Christianity". The Irish, Welsh, etc said mass in Latin.

I know. I'm just confused as to why- the Slavs got a translation of the Mass, the Ethiopians got one, etc.

I suppose it could be explained in terms of the Welsh and Anglo-Saxons (and the Celts of the Continent) in that they were already used to speaking Latin at least in terms of official business. But I don't think the Picts north of Hardian's Wall or the Irish were ever really under Roman rule to much extent.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #200 on: March 28, 2018, 03:57:24 PM »
As Sts Cyril and Methodius found in Moravia, translating the liturgy into local vernaculars was a point of controversy in the West. The prevailing attitude in Rome was that there were a few sacred languages- Hebrew, Greek, Latin (maybe Syriac too?) and that was it. Pope Nicholas seemed to have gone against the grain in supporting their Slavic liturgy, against the wishes of Latin clergy in the region, and his successor Stephen V overturned this support. 
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #201 on: March 28, 2018, 04:02:11 PM »
One could post anything in St. Isaac's church in St. Petersburg in this thread.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #202 on: March 28, 2018, 04:26:20 PM »
As Sts Cyril and Methodius found in Moravia, translating the liturgy into local vernaculars was a point of controversy in the West. The prevailing attitude in Rome was that there were a few sacred languages- Hebrew, Greek, Latin (maybe Syriac too?) and that was it. Pope Nicholas seemed to have gone against the grain in supporting their Slavic liturgy, against the wishes of Latin clergy in the region, and his successor Stephen V overturned this support.

I think the idea was that only the three languages written on the titulus on Christ's Cross were considered sacred. Hebrew/Syriac-Aramaic were not always clearly distinguished in the West.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #203 on: March 28, 2018, 04:31:52 PM »
So, I guess they just wrote off the Armenians, Georgians, and Ethiopians as heretics (and forgot that the Malankara existed)?
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #204 on: March 28, 2018, 05:07:51 PM »
One could post anything in St. Isaac's church in St. Petersburg in this thread.

Plus of many other churches that were built in that period in Russia(including Polish territorries too, as we were under Russian occupation)
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #205 on: March 28, 2018, 06:41:03 PM »
Entrance into Jerusalem from the Vita Christi (Life of Christ)

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #206 on: March 28, 2018, 06:55:19 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #207 on: March 28, 2018, 06:59:24 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #208 on: March 28, 2018, 09:50:25 PM »
Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:



Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #209 on: March 28, 2018, 09:53:43 PM »
Christ represented as a Roman solider:


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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #210 on: March 28, 2018, 10:58:15 PM »
Christ represented as a Roman solider:



This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #211 on: March 29, 2018, 03:31:16 AM »
Christ represented as a Roman solider:



This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.
beardlessness represented divinity in general
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #212 on: March 29, 2018, 09:03:06 AM »
Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:

Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.

Pretty!
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #213 on: March 29, 2018, 10:50:10 PM »
Christ represented as a Roman solider:



This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.
beardlessness represented divinity in general
Wasn't one of the issues with the Arians how they portrayed Christ beardless?

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #214 on: March 29, 2018, 10:50:50 PM »
Mosaic of Christ in Santa Prassede Rome:

Pope Paschal was alive in this mosaic as well! as referenced by the square halo.

Pretty!
Isn't it?  :)

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #215 on: March 29, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »
Hinton St. Mary mosaic from Roman-Britain

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #216 on: March 29, 2018, 11:10:08 PM »
Here's the full mosaic:


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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #217 on: March 30, 2018, 12:53:42 AM »
Christ represented as a Roman solider:



This gives more credence to the idea the beardless Christ was supposed to equivocate Christ to the Roman Enperor, as the beardlessness represents the divinity of the Emperor.
beardlessness represented divinity in general

The way I always heard it was that beardlessness meant He was alive and ever-young.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2018, 04:52:46 PM »
Christ surrounded by angels in Santa Prassede:

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #219 on: March 31, 2018, 04:56:16 PM »
Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora!  :P

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #220 on: April 01, 2018, 04:01:57 PM »
Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora!  :P


Bishop Theodora  :o
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« Reply #221 on: April 01, 2018, 06:41:04 PM »
Christ as the Lamb of God above bishop Theodora!  :P


Bishop Theodora  :o

It’s a reference to a women’s ordination video. In it, they claim that the headscarf she’s wearing implies an episcopal rank. It’s a good laugh!

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #222 on: April 07, 2018, 10:06:32 PM »
CHRIST IS RISEN!



Mosaic from Rome.
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« Reply #223 on: April 08, 2018, 03:46:13 PM »
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« Reply #224 on: April 08, 2018, 03:52:29 PM »
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