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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2018, 10:05:06 PM »
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I'm not sure that it's the enemy of the human race, but more likely Moses, who's often depicted with horns (after the Latin Vulgata translation of Ex. 34).

It's definitely Moses - Michelangelo's Moses also has horns:

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2018, 11:40:00 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2018, 12:34:30 AM »
Now, admittedly this one's from Domingo Ram in the 15th century.

Saint Martial, Saint Sebastian, and Saint Mary Magdalen.

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« Reply #138 on: January 13, 2018, 12:39:00 AM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #139 on: March 12, 2018, 02:31:13 PM »
I just wanted to apologize for being completely wrong on the San Damiano Cross discussion.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #140 on: March 12, 2018, 02:44:50 PM »


Christ Pantokrator in the apse of San Clemente in Taüll, Catalonia, Spain.


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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #141 on: March 12, 2018, 04:08:48 PM »
I just wanted to apologize for being completely wrong on the San Damiano Cross discussion.

Eh, don't worry about it. If I posted an apology every time I've been completely wrong, I'd be posting them in half the threads on the site :)
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #142 on: March 12, 2018, 05:10:08 PM »
Saint Mark, from Saint Mark's Anglican Church in Portland, Oregon.



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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #143 on: March 12, 2018, 05:16:34 PM »
Holy Name Roman Catholic Church in Columbus, Ohio

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #144 on: March 13, 2018, 07:08:59 AM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #145 on: March 13, 2018, 08:17:09 AM »
^^ Indeed, my first thought, when I was the picture, without the description: What a beautiful Orthodox church! :) (espeically that this construction below looks like the top part of the iconostasis).
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #146 on: March 13, 2018, 09:40:19 AM »
I'd like to get an icon of St. David.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #147 on: March 13, 2018, 11:09:31 AM »
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #148 on: March 13, 2018, 12:07:18 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #150 on: March 13, 2018, 01:18:43 PM »
^^ Indeed, my first thought, when I was the picture, without the description: What a beautiful Orthodox church! :) (espeically that this construction below looks like the top part of the iconostasis).

The one little detail that I love is the Trinity at the very top - engraved with God's Name (LORD) in Hebrew.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #151 on: March 13, 2018, 02:42:17 PM »
^^ Indeed, my first thought, when I was the picture, without the description: What a beautiful Orthodox church! :) (espeically that this construction below looks like the top part of the iconostasis).

The one little detail that I love is the Trinity at the very top - engraved with God's Name (LORD) in Hebrew.
Oh yeah, I haven't noticed it! That's nice - thank you.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #152 on: March 19, 2018, 02:23:26 AM »
12th century crucifixion icon in church of San Clemente

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #153 on: March 19, 2018, 02:27:50 AM »
Christ the good shepard mosaic from the Mausoleum of Galla Placida

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« Reply #154 on: March 19, 2018, 02:30:06 AM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #155 on: March 19, 2018, 02:45:10 AM »
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I believe it's Christ in glory.

It's known by neither title. That composition is derived from the iconography of the Ascension.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #156 on: March 19, 2018, 03:09:05 AM »
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I believe it's Christ in glory.

It's known by neither title. That composition is derived from the iconography of the Ascension.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #157 on: March 19, 2018, 03:22:36 AM »
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This is clearly a depiction of The Last Judgement.

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« Reply #158 on: March 19, 2018, 11:18:09 AM »
Those toes...
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #159 on: March 19, 2018, 06:41:47 PM »
Those toes...

Yeah, it is kind of a strange perspective, isn't it?
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« Reply #160 on: March 19, 2018, 07:24:12 PM »
Those toes...

Yeah, it is kind of a strange perspective, isn't it?
It looks like they're trying to grip something but nothing's there.
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #161 on: March 19, 2018, 09:26:10 PM »
I think they're reaching for the crossbar.
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« Reply #162 on: March 19, 2018, 11:49:50 PM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #163 on: March 20, 2018, 01:03:14 AM »
The Virgin and Child from the book of Kells:

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« Reply #164 on: March 20, 2018, 01:47:51 AM »
The Virgin and Child from the book of Kells:

Interesting... but a couple of questions immediately come to mind.

1. What is with the mole / beauty mark on Jesus?
2. Why is the Virgin Mary's breasts drawn?
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« Reply #165 on: March 20, 2018, 02:39:03 AM »
The Virgin and Child from the book of Kells:

Interesting... but a couple of questions immediately come to mind.

1. What is with the mole / beauty mark on Jesus?

My guess would be some kind of royalty symbolism (or it's just a flaw on the photo).

2. Why is the Virgin Mary's breasts drawn?

Breast feeding imagery is not uncommon in Medieval Western depictions (and a few Eastern). I'm guessing the artist just wanted to have both kinds of image in there at the same time.
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« Reply #166 on: March 20, 2018, 09:45:22 AM »
For Christmas I got Christopher De Hamel's beautiful book, Meetings with Remarkable Manuscripts. His assessment of this particular image from the Book of Kells:

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« Reply #167 on: March 20, 2018, 10:00:39 AM »
Apse of Santa Maria in Domnica from the 9th Century

The only potential problem is the icon of Pope Paschal I (the weird square halo person), who is a pre-schism Saint in the Roman Catholic Church, but whose canonization status in the Orthodox Church is unknown for me. He seemed to have friendly relations with the Eastern Churches, but this is the century where the real problems between Rome and the Eastern Churches became apparent.



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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Santa_Maria_in_Domnica_-_apse_mosaic.jpg

You have much to learn about iconography. It is common for donors and important esslesiastical figures (likes archbishops) to appear in icons and mosaics of that era, offering church buildings to Christ, supplicating Christ, standing next to an icon of a saint, etc. Obviously if one were to copy the mosaic, one would likely leave Pope Paschal out since his appearance elsewhere would be out of context, but there's nothing wrong with his presence in the original. In other words, he appears here because he was directly involved in rebuilding this basilica, and the square halo likely indicates that he was still living at the time the mosaic was made.
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« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2018, 10:17:58 AM »
For Christmas I got Christopher De Hamel's beautiful book, Meetings with Remarkable Manuscripts. His assessment of this particular image from the Book of Kells:

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As a result of what I am about to say, I shall probably have my permission to visit the Republic of Ireland revoked for ever, but the picture is dreadfully ugly. Mary's head is far too big for her body, and she has huge staring red-lined eyes and a long nose which looks as though it is dripping downwards, and a tiny mouth. Her pendulous breasts are visible through her purple tunic, and her little legs stick out sideways like a child's drawing. The baby, seen in profile, is grotesque and unadorable, with wild red hair like seaweed, protruding upturned nose and chin, and a worrying red line from his nose to his ear, perhaps a foreshadow of Christ's beard in later life. The child has two left feet. I am not qualified to say whether the four unpleasant-looking angels are lifelike, but they are certainly anatomically very improbable beneath their weighty garments.

Wow, lol! Can't say I disagree with him, to honest...
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« Reply #169 on: March 20, 2018, 10:41:56 AM »
Instead of looking at icons maybe you should learn to pray.
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« Reply #170 on: March 20, 2018, 10:47:50 AM »
Instead of looking at icons maybe you should learn to pray.

The two can be easily intertwined.
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« Reply #171 on: March 20, 2018, 02:56:09 PM »
Again from the book of Kells:



Besides Ethiopian iconography I feel that the Celts had the most unique style.
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« Reply #172 on: March 20, 2018, 08:16:36 PM »
Again from the book of Kells:



Besides Ethiopian iconography I feel that the Celts had the most unique style.

Yeah, this one I like.

Strictly speaking, it's not just Celtic though. It's called "Insular" (meaning "Of the Brittish Isles") or "Hiberno-Saxon," since the post-Roman monks of England had pretty much the same art style at the time.
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« Reply #173 on: March 20, 2018, 10:32:43 PM »
From the Book of Kells:



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« Reply #174 on: March 21, 2018, 12:15:18 AM »
From the Book of Kells:


What the heck am I looking at?  ???
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One of my favorite mosaics of the Theotokos and Christ from Ravenna:

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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #178 on: March 21, 2018, 05:18:40 AM »
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Re: Pictures of Western Icons?
« Reply #179 on: March 21, 2018, 07:03:00 AM »
Fr. Philippe Péneaud's modern Romanesque wood carvings, some of which are based on Medieval prototypes.







It's the double-edged sword of being lazy and being bored.- Reliant K

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The breath of Thine Holy Spirit inspires artists, poets and scientists. The power of Thy supreme knowledge makes them prophets and interpreters of Thy laws, who reveal the depths of Thy creative wisdom. Their works speak unwittingly of Thee. How great art Thou in Thy creation! How great art Thou in man!
Akathist Hymn- Glory to God for All Things