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Offline Elpidophoros

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New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« on: September 08, 2017, 11:58:49 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvLcGC5cOo
I really do not understand this “άλλος μητροπολίτης άλλο αντιμήνσιον” phenomenon. First above all, such action seems to has no canonical basis in the church tradition.Secondly, this is not logical:since antimension is a substitute of an agia trapeza,if such action is necessary,why only atimension but not the whole agia trapeza be replaced?And this is also not practical——how these old antimensia should be treated?(In our parish a more than one hundred years old antimension still being used.)

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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 01:26:45 PM »
What an interesting question in light of our recent discussion Mor.  I also found a photograph of HH Ignatius Aphrem II consecrating not one but three or four tablithoyeh for the new shrine that was consecrated last month, which was very interesting; did you hear about that?  If not Ill link you to it.  But it did seem to prove your point Mor; the antimension and the tablitho are cousins but do not serve precisely the same function with regards to ecclesiology.   But apparently an EO antimension can outlive a bishop, but is much less likely to than a tablitho.
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 02:32:12 PM »
In my jurisdiction the old antimensia are returned, the relics removed and placed into the new antimensia, and the old antimensia are then burned or buried.
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 09:17:34 PM »
In my jurisdiction the old antimensia are returned, the relics removed and placed into the new antimensia, and the old antimensia are then burned or buried.

What if there are delays getting the new antimensia to the parishes? 
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 10:03:09 PM »
In my jurisdiction the old antimensia are returned, the relics removed and placed into the new antimensia, and the old antimensia are then burned or buried.

What if there are delays getting the new antimensia to the parishes?

The entire diocesan curia is marched out to a public square and summarily executed. 
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 10:35:16 PM »
In my jurisdiction the old antimensia are returned, the relics removed and placed into the new antimensia, and the old antimensia are then burned or buried.

What if there are delays getting the new antimensia to the parishes?

The entire diocesan curia is marched out to a public square and summarily executed.

In a solemn auto da fe?  ;)   

I did actually LOL at that Mor; LOL usually is not used literally, but here I did actually do it.  Which is rare, of late due to grief et cetera I don't laugh enough.
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 10:38:32 PM »
I first read this as "New hierarch issues new animals"
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Re: New hierarch issues new antimins?!?!?!
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 11:33:45 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtvLcGC5cOo
I really do not understand this “άλλος μητροπολίτης άλλο αντιμήνσιον” phenomenon.
I really do not understand this Greek gibberish phenomenon.
First above all, such action seems to has no canonical basis in the church tradition.
It is connected with this denial of the ASRANA's bishops' status as bishops, the auxiliary nonsense that flared up a few years ago.
Secondly, this is not logical:since antimension is a substitute of an agia trapeza,
What, not άγια τράπεζα ?

if such action is necessary,why only atimension but not the whole agia trapeza be replaced?And this is also not practical——how these old antimensia should be treated?(In our parish a more than one hundred years old antimension still being used.)
IIRC you're in China and under the EP. As the Phanar was nowhere near there a century ago, how would you have such an antimens?
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