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Do you believe in aliens?
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Do you believe in aliens?

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2017, 11:27:02 AM »
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2017, 11:41:30 AM »
Do you believe in aliens?

My father was an alien. 
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2017, 11:58:17 AM »
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2017, 12:12:57 PM »
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2017, 12:18:39 PM »
Is that girl winking in your avatar an alien?
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2017, 01:46:48 PM »
No, she is not an alien.

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2017, 01:56:39 PM »
Then she must be a demon!
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2017, 01:59:16 PM »
Why do you think so?

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2017, 02:01:43 PM »
She has her left eye shut to conceal the burning red gorgon's eye.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2017, 02:04:19 PM »
She has her left eye shut to conceal the burning red gorgon's eye.

That red eye flashes every 23 seconds. She's obviously a HITMark on the lookout for reality deviants.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2017, 10:49:55 PM »
Yes, I have vaguely considered becoming one in Canada.

P.S.: Mor got here first.  :-X
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2017, 11:34:36 PM »
This may sound odd from a science fiction enthusiast, but I don't care.  Any with the ability to communicate with us I believe are well out of range; SETI has had several decades of access to top tier radio telescopes and hasn't detected any broadcasts.  Without radio broadcasting, we can't hope to establish a more direct communications mode, such as some form of optical signallimg using an extremely powerful array of lasers operating below the infrared spectrum, and also, broadcasting via radio is a logical step in the evolution of technology to optical signalling.   So if there are any aliens, they are too far away for us to communicate with.

This does not mean they do not exist; there could be some, in the further reaches of the Milky Way, or perhaps in Andromeda, which is a galaxy very similiar to ours which might well support life, our closest galactic neighbor, or in more distant galaxies.   God is love, love entails creation, and if he created other beings in His image on distant worlds, this would not come as a shock.

What we can say however is that the UFO subculture is built upon lies, fantasies, and I believe, as did Fr. Seraphim Rose, demonic deception.   Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future remains the definitive treatment of the UFO phenomenon from an Orthodox theological perspective.*

*Until recently, it was also the definitive treatment of the Charismatic and Pentecostal heresies, but the new second edition of Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy goes into much more detail and is more up to date, representing the definitive Orthodox rebuttal of these errors, wihout the anti-ecumenical polemic present in Fr. Seraphim's corpus.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2017, 11:44:50 PM »
Dude, stop. Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future has an embarrassingly poor record when it comes to its prognostications. Pick any random Protestant-ish crank with doomsday predictions and they'll get about as much correct as Fr. Seraphim did in that book. Seriously, ever heard of the concept of "covering your father's nakedness"? Stop being like Ham and exposing someone you presumably respect. Even Fr. Seraphim realised and regretted late in life that some of the stuff he had said was causing a lot of harm or was just flat out wrong.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2017, 12:14:58 AM »
There could be 100 to 200 billion galaxies in our universe.  With a universe that big, the odds are high that there is life somewhere besides earth.  Ultimately, it depends on whether the Lord wanted to create life on other planets or not.

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2017, 09:43:20 AM »
No, I believe in God.

If you're asking if I think that there are aliens out there in the far expanse of the universe, I honestly don't know. I've watched enough Star Trek to hope that there are other civilizations out there, but the chances of those being discovered now or in our life time are so slim that it's probably best not to waste much time even thinking about it.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2017, 09:43:55 AM »


The Cylons were created by man.  They're not aliens.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2017, 09:50:21 AM »
^If they show up at my front door, I am still going to hide.

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2017, 10:08:00 AM »
One time i had see an alien, he was funny. ;D

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2017, 09:43:06 AM »
I have never seen an alien.

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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2017, 03:09:09 PM »
Dude, stop. Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future has an embarrassingly poor record when it comes to its prognostications. Pick any random Protestant-ish crank with doomsday predictions and they'll get about as much correct as Fr. Seraphim did in that book. Seriously, ever heard of the concept of "covering your father's nakedness"? Stop being like Ham and exposing someone you presumably respect. Even Fr. Seraphim realised and regretted late in life that some of the stuff he had said was causing a lot of harm or was just flat out wrong.

What he wrote about UFO experiences and pentecostal/charismatic glossolalia and euphoric states being demonic was 100% correct.

What he wrote about his fears of a "Religion of the Future" looked reasonable as an extrapolation in the 1970s due to the mass-mergers of some mainline churches (for example, the Methodist Episcopal Church and the Evangelical United Brethren into the UMC, the ALC, LCA and Augustana Synod into the ELCA, and similiar cases), and the charismatic movements which had become active in all of the above, in Roman Catholicism, and even in Eastern Orthodoxy (remember Logos magazine?)

His concern was these events, combined with cultural phenomena like the adogmatic Jesus People and the increasing obsession with aliens, alien abductions (which are demonic experiences), and charismatic experiences (also demonic) would lead to the unification of the Christian church, and tnat ecumenism would lead to syncretism, based on the later works of Thomas Merton (who became obsessed with and possibly apostasized to Buddhism before being electrocuted in a bathtub in a possible suicide attempt), and the increasing syncretic events that were at the time already occuring in the Episcopal Church (Native American shamans at St. John the Divine, and so on); the result of this he feared would be a one world religion under demonic influence led by the antiChrist.

In the event, these fears so far have not been realized, and seem less likely given the emergence of the conservative evangelical and fundamentalist Christian community and Islamic fundamentalism, shortly after he wrote the book.  His fears however were not groundless; the Religion of the Future he juxtaposed with Orthodoxy was an extrapolation, not a prophecy, and what is more, something like that religion has taken root in the mainline Protestant churches, and in Unitarian Universalism, which unlike the mainline churches, is growing (the Bahai Faith also experienced some growth as a sort of exotic Universalism with pretty gardens); there is also the growth in Wicca, Paganism and Earth-centered spirituality.

 Basically, the Religion of the Future did not take over the world, as he fears, but it did come into existence, and what is more, one could argue, and I think I will, that the scenario he outlines remains possible if political leaders start promoting religious syncretism and liberalism, and using hate speech law against traditionalists, as a means of curtailing sectarian violence (although this Religion of the Future will be competing with the New Atheism).

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Now, let's turn the tables a bit.  Do you believe, contrary to all scientific evidence, that alien spacecraft are visiting the Earth and abducting people, giving them anal probes, er cetera?  Do you believe the involuntary spasms and glossolalia of Charismatics and Pentecostals represents healhy spirituality?

If not, its difficult to see from an Orthodox perspective any reasonable middle ground in which we could accept the people who believe they are abductees or who engage in charismatic worship as being in anything other than prelest, which is demonic delusion.

Fr. Seraphim Rose remains properly adorned in his schema, exorason and zostikon, and in terms of spiritual wisdom and repentence is probably better dressed than most of us.  I consider him to possibly be a saint and hope this is investigated at some point by the OCA.  Our Lord wrote that you can jusge a tree by its fruits, and his monastery in Northern California continues to flourish, and has never been associated with the kind of problems that plagued another monastery; this is noteworthy in that it evinces true and complete metanoia from homosexuality, the kind of sacrifice of contrition beloved by God, amd proof of the helthiness of eating from that tree.

The main critic of his work has been Archbishop Lazar Puhalo, and respect for the dignity of the hierarchy precludes me from comparing and contrasting the work and statements of the two monastics.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2017, 03:11:33 PM »


The Cylons were created by man.  They're not aliens.

Only in nBSG.  In the original, they were created by reptillian aliens who they murdered, but the Imperious Leader retained a reptillian appearance.
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2017, 12:15:36 AM »


The Cylons were created by man.  They're not aliens.

Only in nBSG.  In the original, they were created by reptillian aliens who they murdered, but the Imperious Leader retained a reptillian appearance.

I'm well aware of that.  But since he posted a pic from the new series, I answered accordingly. 

And, btw, the reptilian Cylons weren't murdered by the machines not according to the original.  Apollo even says to Boxy that they died out yarns ago and they still call the machines Cylons.
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The Cylons were created by man.  They're not aliens.

Only in nBSG.  In the original, they were created by reptillian aliens who they murdered, but the Imperious Leader retained a reptillian appearance.

I'm well aware of that.  But since he posted a pic from the new series, I answered accordingly. 

And, btw, the reptilian Cylons weren't murdered by the machines not according to the original.  Apollo even says to Boxy that they died out yarns ago and they still call the machines Cylons.

Very good.  Somwe have wstablisjed your geek-competence.  Now, one peculiarity was the actor who played Count Iblis, the devil, also provided he voice of the Imperious Leader, and they mande something of this.  I recall Count Baltar screaming "that voice!"

Tthe original BSG had a lot of material I wish  BSG had addressed; I find myself longing for a new third BSG that would be the synthesis of the two.  Alas, with no Richard Hatch (memory eternal!)
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Re: Do you believe in aliens?
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2017, 08:27:37 AM »
Undecided but from what little I know, if these creatures exist, they're not friendly. Demons?
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Undecided but from what little I know, if these creatures exist, they're not friendly. Demons?
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