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Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« on: July 27, 2017, 08:38:38 AM »
But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?
- Mark Twain's Autobiography


Ok, this quote got me thinking - do we, can we, is it right, to pray for the soul of Satan & the fallen angels??? We pray for each other, and the departed, why not for this??? I know the scripture teaches that Satan/his followers are cast from God to eternal damnation, but, is there hope for a few of the fallen angels to return to God?? Are the prayers for them fruitless??? I've been very curious after reading this quote.

Would love to get your  views on this.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2017, 09:08:51 AM »
But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?
- Mark Twain's Autobiography


Ok, this quote got me thinking - do we, can we, is it right, to pray for the soul of Satan & the fallen angels??? We pray for each other, and the departed, why not for this??? I know the scripture teaches that Satan/his followers are cast from God to eternal damnation, but, is there hope for a few of the fallen angels to return to God?? Are the prayers for them fruitless??? I've been very curious after reading this quote.

Would love to get your  views on this.

But why to pray for angels and satan they not lost their authority before Lord, no matter fallen are.
They still can kill people with fire from heaven, talk to God and make people sick (see book of Job).

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2017, 09:17:48 AM »
There is of course this famous quote of Saint Isaac of Syria:

What is a merciful heart? It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons, and for all that exists. By the recollection of them the eyes of a merciful person pour forth tears in abundance. By the strong and vehement mercy that grips such a person’s heart, and by such great compassion, the heart is humbled and one cannot bear to hear or to see any injury or slight sorrow in any in creation. For this reason, such a person offers up tearful prayer continually even for irrational beasts, for the enemies of the truth, and for those who harm her or him, that they be protected and receive mercy. And in like manner such a person prays for the family of reptiles because of the great compassion that burns without measure in a heart that is in the likeness of God.

Not that, as far as I'm aware, this translates into a typical practice for most of us.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2017, 09:29:02 AM »
We can pray for even devils if we think they may be able to offer repentance on earth but the bible tells us they will end up damned in revelations so we can not assume that because the bible may teach they got their chance and fully made their decision so may not be able to offer repentance. If we really believed that seriously then humans could take the risk of living completely away from God believing God patient is way more than it is not caring for justice and it don't matter how they live now

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2017, 09:31:02 AM »
Actually us that know better shouldn't even entertain the thought because we are at war with them and shouldn't give the impression that we care for mercy that is void of goodness and righteousness and it will be revealed in that day. The saints shall judge angels so we must not make people think we have more mercy than we have
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2017, 10:38:53 AM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2017, 10:44:33 AM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

I am orthodox christian I have read the bible and I have normal beliefs.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2017, 10:53:37 AM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

I'm not sure I agree with what you just wrote.

Satan is not the Lord's "power", etc.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2017, 11:06:10 AM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

I'm not sure I agree with what you just wrote.

Satan is not the Lord's "power", etc.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

I mean on earth. Because he say that he own all world's kingdoms. So if you want something in earth you must ask him. You can't talk to st. Archangel Michael because he means the protection of all alive beings.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2017, 11:16:49 AM »
I am not saying that they exist. Because what most people think as sin is just same as what some think for good.
I mean every from this persons is have his feeling in people's soul and in God's soul. So without them there can't have balance and what people call "faith".

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2017, 12:40:17 PM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

I'm not sure I agree with what you just wrote.

Satan is not the Lord's "power", etc.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

I mean on earth. Because he say that he own all world's kingdoms. So if you want something in earth you must ask him. You can't talk to st. Archangel Michael because he means the protection of all alive beings.

I would rather just petition God for all things, earthly and heavenly.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2017, 01:07:16 PM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.

I'm not sure I agree with what you just wrote.

Satan is not the Lord's "power", etc.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

I mean on earth. Because he say that he own all world's kingdoms. So if you want something in earth you must ask him. You can't talk to st. Archangel Michael because he means the protection of all alive beings.

I would rather just petition God for all things, earthly and heavenly.

I think same.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2017, 01:11:16 PM »
There is of course this famous quote of Saint Isaac of Syria:

What is a merciful heart? It is a heart on fire for the whole of creation, for humanity, for the birds, for the animals, for demons, and for all that exists. By the recollection of them the eyes of a merciful person pour forth tears in abundance. By the strong and vehement mercy that grips such a person’s heart, and by such great compassion, the heart is humbled and one cannot bear to hear or to see any injury or slight sorrow in any in creation. For this reason, such a person offers up tearful prayer continually even for irrational beasts, for the enemies of the truth, and for those who harm her or him, that they be protected and receive mercy. And in like manner such a person prays for the family of reptiles because of the great compassion that burns without measure in a heart that is in the likeness of God.

Not that, as far as I'm aware, this translates into a typical practice for most of us.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2017, 01:21:25 PM »
Demons means the soul of God. Angels means his authority. Satan means his power. Fallen angels are the God's will for humans on earth who not fallow his faith, that He is good to them too. For satan we can also think that he is god in earth. Because God is only in heaven and heaven is far from earth. Evil spirits means the souls of all dead. And saints means people who are in his church and loved the church more than everything so they want to be part from it in heaven.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2017, 09:10:39 PM »
But who prays for Satan? Who in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most, our one fellow and brother who most needed a friend yet had not a single one, the one sinner among us all who had the highest and clearest right to every Christian's daily and nightly prayers, for the plain and unassailable reason that his was the first and greatest need, he being among sinners the supremest?
- Mark Twain's Autobiography


Ok, this quote got me thinking - do we, can we, is it right, to pray for the soul of Satan & the fallen angels??? We pray for each other, and the departed, why not for this??? I know the scripture teaches that Satan/his followers are cast from God to eternal damnation, but, is there hope for a few of the fallen angels to return to God?? Are the prayers for them fruitless??? I've been very curious after reading this quote.

Would love to get your  views on this.

Well, this is interesting for this reason. Today I read a dissertation on hell in which the following paragraph caught my attention:

The second group of creatures invited to share eternal glory with God were men, composed of soul and body. Different from the Angels who have a will that decides at once and forever what they love or hate without the possibility of change, men have a changeable will that can either reject what they first loved or love what they first rejected. Hence, the test for a human being takes place for as long as he lives and is only decided when he departs this life.


My question is this....how do we know that the fallen angels are exempt from coming to a point at which they realize their bad decision and say  "Oh $#*$^, that was not good.  I'm going to beg for mercy and change my thinking (repent)"

I'd be interested in knowing how and from where we have a definitive answer to this.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2017, 10:09:10 PM »
The Revelation foretells their damnation. Every creature had a different nature. What, in your estimation, is the plan of salvation for dolphins? They to are a creature of great intelligence. However, the gift of potent will as it abides in man is not in their created nature. No angel of either camp will be a child of God, as their nature and therefore their destined relationship to God is not the same ad ours. In my opinion, this imagining of Satan as some species of brother of ours is pernicious. As a pit by a nature completely oblivious to our welfare swallows up men, so a fallen angel presents nothing but cold evil to man.
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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2017, 12:15:03 AM »
The Revelation foretells their damnation. Every creature had a different nature. What, in your estimation, is the plan of salvation for dolphins? They to are a creature of great intelligence. However, the gift of potent will as it abides in man is not in their created nature. No angel of either camp will be a child of God, as their nature and therefore their destined relationship to God is not the same ad ours. In my opinion, this imagining of Satan as some species of brother of ours is pernicious. As a pit by a nature completely oblivious to our welfare swallows up men, so a fallen angel presents nothing but cold evil to man.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2017, 12:16:35 AM »
The Revelation foretells their damnation. Every creature had a different nature. What, in your estimation, is the plan of salvation for dolphins? They to are a creature of great intelligence. However, the gift of potent will as it abides in man is not in their created nature. No angel of either camp will be a child of God, as their nature and therefore their destined relationship to God is not the same ad ours. In my opinion, this imagining of Satan as some species of brother of ours is pernicious. As a pit by a nature completely oblivious to our welfare swallows up men, so a fallen angel presents nothing but cold evil to man.

Yes I completely support.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2017, 12:32:23 AM »
The Revelation foretells their damnation. Every creature had a different nature. What, in your estimation, is the plan of salvation for dolphins? They to are a creature of great intelligence. However, the gift of potent will as it abides in man is not in their created nature. No angel of either camp will be a child of God, as their nature and therefore their destined relationship to God is not the same ad ours. In my opinion, this imagining of Satan as some species of brother of ours is pernicious. As a pit by a nature completely oblivious to our welfare swallows up men, so a fallen angel presents nothing but cold evil to man.

Yes I completely support.

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Re: Praying for Satan & Fallen Angels.
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2017, 01:18:49 AM »
We can pray for the sinners.
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