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"The welcome ceremony was presided over by the Vicar General of the Archdiocese, father Alberto Figueroa Morales on behalf of the Archbishop. The priests and parishioners made the profession of faith and during the liturgy commemorated the Supreme Pontiff, Francisco and metropolitan Robert.

https://holysynergy.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/breaking-news-the-orthodox-church-of-puerto-rico-enters-into-communion-with-the-catholic-church/

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When are the other separated Churches going to restore communion with the Throne of St. Peter?
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Really sorry but i cannot get any other reaction :  ;D ;D ;D

In the way you are presenting the news. it is like you hade made a great victory
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Glory to God that Orthodoxy has not died in Puerto Rico.

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Not a question of "victory" but a healing of schism by a return to unity. Schism begs the question of how we can tell where is the Church and who is right in claiming to belong to and represent Her when two sides are separated. The Catholic Church has a simple and evident answer discernible to all, even a child of 5. By pointing out Apostolic Succession in the Throne of Peter, and ensuring all Bishops preserve unity of faith and communion with their head and chief. What is Orthodoxy's answer? What is your approach to healing the schism and how do you know for sure you are on the right side and in full communion with the universal Church? How will you identify the Apostolic Church by Her marks, especially the mark of Apostolicity, to know for sure which side is right when a schism arises?
An empty tomb is there to prove my Savior lives!

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Lately, I've been trying to learn Spanish to see if I can expand my options to consider doing residency in PR.  If that happens, then I hope there is still an Orthodox Church there for me to commune.
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What a shame that one of the Orthodox communities in Puerto Rico has abandoned the Faith and fallen into schism along with Rome.  I am saddened by this news.  :'(
I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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Not a question of "victory" but a healing of schism by a return to unity. Schism begs the question of how we can tell where is the Church and who is right in claiming to belong to and represent Her when two sides are separated. The Catholic Church has a simple and evident answer discernible to all, even a child of 5. By pointing out Apostolic Succession in the Throne of Peter, and ensuring all Bishops preserve unity of faith and communion with their head and chief. What is Orthodoxy's answer? What is your approach to healing the schism and how do you know for sure you are on the right side and in full communion with the universal Church? How will you identify the Apostolic Church by Her marks, especially the mark of Apostolicity, to know for sure which side is right when a schism arises?

Apostolic succession is not limited to Peter, and Peter is not limited to Rome.  So we don't quite understand why that really is a necessary dogma.  A theological opinion perhaps, but the Orthodox Church is fine just the way she is without the need for a central place in Rome.  If Rome is destroyed, the Church still moves on.
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Lately, I've been trying to learn Spanish to see if I can expand my options to consider doing residency in PR.  If that happens, then I hope there is still an Orthodox Church there for me to commune.

You may have to drive a little farther.

What a shame that one of the Orthodox communities in Puerto Rico has abandoned the Faith and fallen into schism along with Rome.  I am saddened by this news.  :'(

It is.
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Just saw a Catholic friend of mine on Facebook praising God over this happening and linked to the article. Came here to see if anyone had mentioned it yet. A shame, but it seems like Central/South America is overall a very unstable place when it comes to religious allegiances.

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What was the impetus for the switch to Catholicism, I wonder.
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This is bad news. They are making unity more difficult if not only supporting known heresies of old even just papal supremacy.  I have no problem if they really think they found the truth but if they are leaving just to make unity or they allow others to pursuade them because they hate orthodox doctrines they can not prove wrong they were never really orthodox to begin with. Once you convert to orthodoxy you should not convert to anything else unless you found the truth. Those who are orthodox must not become anything else especially those born so because they have no valid pressure from anyone. Why do they convert even those not born so unless they feel they are hurting family
I hope them to be saved if they teach orthodox doctrines but I don't know I think so but they won't be full. Those who are not orthodox don't need to be orthodox because they do not know they must and they may feel they are causing divisions. They have the same reward if they teach orthodox beliefs

I am not trying to rival the Catholic Church those who rival as Paul says in Galatians will not inherit the kingdom but I think this is what they are doing and it is insulting. They have not accepted us though
we accepted them

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Never heard of the Orthodox Church of Puerto Rico.

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Mor Ephrem is a nice guy.  Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

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I actually believe they can be saved but I don't know but they don't help unity they will have less reward and are not full. Less reward for a couple of reasons. Someone who never left orthodoxy they believed in or at all I never say they are not saved even if they believe in some heresies but they have less reward. They are saved because they are not sure of the truth but they have less reward for they don't support the truth. In this case they also want to insult orthodoxy so it is different
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It was a single parish not the entire Orthodox Church in PR.
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Anyway I am tempted to say hell is only for unrepentant evil people only God knows who they are we must not judge

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LOL To their own doom. Now they have to deal with Pope Francis.
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It was a parish under the EP.
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Nobody gave a reason for leaving?
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So a single parish joins Rome, and that causes you to want to stage a Roman-like Triumph and Victory Parade through the streets of San Juan? WOW. Just WOW. And not in a good way.


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The Apostolic Church is where the faithful gather around their right-believing bishop and celebrate the eucharist.

+1000.  That is unity, not everyone paying lip service to a fallible man who thinks he's infallible, because that's a great solution which never caused schism ever.
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The Apostolic Church is where the faithful gather around their right-believing bishop and celebrate the eucharist.

+1000.  That is unity, not everyone paying lip service to a fallible man who thinks he's infallible, because that's a great solution which never caused schism ever.

+INFINITUDE! Although my Orthodox brothers may disgree on the concept that Missouri Synod has about every Pastor a Bishop, the sentiment is still shared.

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"That they All may be One, that the World may believe that Thou has sent Me"

"The welcome ceremony was presided over by the Vicar General of the Archdiocese, father Alberto Figueroa Morales on behalf of the Archbishop. The priests and parishioners made the profession of faith and during the liturgy commemorated the Supreme Pontiff, Francisco and metropolitan Robert.

https://holysynergy.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/breaking-news-the-orthodox-church-of-puerto-rico-enters-into-communion-with-the-catholic-church/

"I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope St. Damasus I], that is, with the Throne of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built." (St. Jerome, Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396])

When are the other separated Churches going to restore communion with the Throne of St. Peter?

Pope Benedict? I know you are retired but how many times are you going to stir the pot on this forum?

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So a single parish joins Rome, and that causes you to want to stage a Roman-like Triumph and Victory Parade through the streets of San Juan? WOW. Just WOW. And not in a good way.

The only ones who take Rome seriously at this point is Rome. They have an inferiority complex they need to confirm.
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"That they All may be One, that the World may believe that Thou has sent Me"

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"I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope St. Damasus I], that is, with the Throne of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built." (St. Jerome, Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396])

When are the other separated Churches going to restore communion with the Throne of St. Peter?

When is the "Throne of Peter" going to restore over itself the leadership of Christ?
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Not a question of "victory" but a healing of schism by a return to unity. Schism begs the question of how we can tell where is the Church and who is right in claiming to belong to and represent Her when two sides are separated. The Catholic Church has a simple and evident answer discernible to all, even a child of 5. By pointing out Apostolic Succession in the Throne of Peter, and ensuring all Bishops preserve unity of faith and communion with their head and chief. What is Orthodoxy's answer? What is your approach to healing the schism and how do you know for sure you are on the right side and in full communion with the universal Church? How will you identify the Apostolic Church by Her marks, especially the mark of Apostolicity, to know for sure which side is right when a schism arises?

As a child of 5, I knew there were 12 Apostles.
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"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

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"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

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So a single parish joins Rome, and that causes you to want to stage a Roman-like Triumph and Victory Parade through the streets of San Juan? WOW. Just WOW. And not in a good way.

The only ones who take Rome seriously at this point is Rome. They have an inferiority complex they need to confirm.

I think you are entirely right on that point.

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Does that make Archimandrite Andrija a Croat now?

So this happens a month ago.  My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago.  No one made mention of this.  Commemorated the EP in liturgy.  Shady, shady, shady.

Thank God neither of us took their bread and wine.

Haven't seen a statement from the EP.


Good luck.

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So this happens a month ago.  My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago.  No one made mention of this.  Commemorated the EP in liturgy.  Shady, shady, shady.

Wow, shady is the word alright!  What gives, Xavier?


Thank God neither of us took their bread and wine.

Amen!
I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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Does that make Archimandrite Andrija a Croat now?

So this happens a month ago.  My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago.  No one made mention of this.  Commemorated the EP in liturgy.  Shady, shady, shady.

Thank God neither of us took their bread and wine.


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Ah he is a Croat now.  That explains it all.  I thought the name of Archimandrite   Andrew Vujisic sounds familiar.  Doesn't he already have a record of jurisdiction hopping?    First showing up connection with the Antiochians in Australia and then moving to the ROCOC in Puerto Rico and then to EP ? 

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Andrew_(Vujisi%C4%87)_of_Tralles

And then there was the whole mysterious story of a supposed Myrrh-streaming Icon at his church in Australia before he left.

Sounds like a parody of aN Orthodox soap opera doesn't it.

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Does that make Archimandrite Andrija a Croat now?

So this happens a month ago.  My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago.  No one made mention of this.  Commemorated the EP in liturgy.  Shady, shady, shady.

Thank God neither of us took their bread and wine.


Ah he is a Croat now.  That explains it all.  I thought the name of Archimandrite   Andrew Vujisic sounds familiar.  Doesn't he already have a record of jurisdiction hopping?    First showing up connection with the Antiochians in Australia and then moving to the ROCOC in Puerto Rico and then to EP ? 

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Andrew_(Vujisi%C4%87)_of_Tralles

And then there was the whole mysterious story of a supposed Myrrh-streaming Icon at his church in Australia before he left.

Sounds like a parody of aN Orthodox soap opera doesn't it.

I have the perfect title:

« Last Edit: July 12, 2017, 06:09:51 PM by Antonious Nikolas »
I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

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Does that make Archimandrite Andrija a Croat now?

So this happens a month ago.  My wife and I were there 2 weeks ago.  No one made mention of this.  Commemorated the EP in liturgy.  Shady, shady, shady.

Thank God neither of us took their bread and wine.


Ah he is a Croat now.  That explains it all.  I thought the name of Archimandrite   Andrew Vujisic sounds familiar.  Doesn't he already have a record of jurisdiction hopping?    First showing up connection with the Antiochians in Australia and then moving to the ROCOC in Puerto Rico and then to EP ? 

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Andrew_(Vujisi%C4%87)_of_Tralles

And then there was the whole mysterious story of a supposed Myrrh-streaming Icon at his church in Australia before he left.

Sounds like a parody of aN Orthodox soap opera doesn't it.

I have the perfect title:



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At one point, (2009 iirc) Arch. Andrija was a bishop-elect.
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At one point, (2009 iirc) Arch. Andrija was a bishop-elect.

Maybe he'll have better luck among the Catholics. 
Mor Ephrem is a nice guy.  Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

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Ah he is a Croat now.  That explains it all.  I thought the name of Archimandrite   Andrew Vujisic sounds familiar.  Doesn't he already have a record of jurisdiction hopping?    First showing up connection with the Antiochians in Australia and then moving to the ROCOC in Puerto Rico and then to EP ? 

https://orthodoxwiki.org/Andrew_(Vujisi%C4%87)_of_Tralles

And then there was the whole mysterious story of a supposed Myrrh-streaming Icon at his church in Australia before he left.

Sounds like a parody of aN Orthodox soap opera doesn't it.

The article says he is Montenegrin.
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What a weird story. Lord, have mercy!
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Anyhow when God was asked he said Eastern Orthodox is true Church and not Catholic Church. So come home and enjoy.

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It seems Fr. Andrew didn't take part in this schism, he's in Guatemala right now. Fr. Peter DiLeo and Sdc. Spyridon Morrow are the ones who defected.
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

Anyhow when God was asked he said Eastern Orthodox is true Church and not Catholic Church. So come home and enjoy.

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The apostasy happened last month and he was involved.

RC Archdiocese website in Puerto Rico article (in Spanish)

http://elvisitantepr.com/acuerdo-entre-iglesia-ortodoxa-y-catolica-en-la-arquidiocesis/

Just because he's in Guatemala right now doesn't mean much.
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