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If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« on: July 10, 2017, 08:29:48 AM »
If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism? . . .

Please share your opinions and musings about Buddhism.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2017, 08:50:29 AM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2017, 08:51:38 AM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2017, 09:32:36 AM »
Are the Orthodox against the World or do you generally accept it? . . . Why does Jesus reject the world yet we're still in it? Don't know
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2017, 09:45:50 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2017, 09:45:54 AM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

Well, you could say the same thing about reading Homer, Plato, Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Of course it depends what is meant by "explore." Practicing, adhering, or somehow trying to syncretize it as something equal to Orthodox Christianity or having insights not attainable in Orthodoxy is unacceptable. But studying pagan wisdom can do a lot to help prepare us in understanding Christian wisdom better, for those who are capable of it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2017, 09:50:13 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I've mentioned these before, but two books I would strongly recommend are In the Buddha's Words, a thematic selection of Theravada sutras by the monk Bhikkhu Bodhi, and The Way to Buddhahood by Yin Shun, a popular summa of Mahayana Buddhism (Chinese, in particular) roughly equivalent to a dogmatic theology in Christian parlance.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2017, 10:04:52 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."



Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

That's what drives me nanners.    What does worry me though is I doubt "Eastern" Orthodox is immune to going the way of the bobo. \

Take that out of the equation:  I don't know how one can be uninterested in it if one just looks at how many people have practiced it, and what it has produced.  I just have to get over the obsession with it from "spiritually conscience" people in the US (and probably Europe from what I can tell)
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 10:07:15 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."



Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

That's what drives me nanners.    What does worry me though is I doubt "Eastern" Orthodox is immune to going the way of the bobo.

That element exists, no doubt.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 10:07:30 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I've mentioned these before, but two books I would strongly recommend are In the Buddha's Words, a thematic selection of Theravada sutras by the monk Bhikkhu Bodhi, and The Way to Buddhahood by Yin Shun, a popular summa of Mahayana Buddhism (Chinese, in particular) roughly equivalent to a dogmatic theology in Christian parlance.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 10:20:57 AM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

Well, you could say the same thing about reading Homer, Plato, Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Of course it depends what is meant by "explore." Practicing, adhering, or somehow trying to syncretize it as something equal to Orthodox Christianity or having insights not attainable in Orthodoxy is unacceptable. But studying pagan wisdom can do a lot to help prepare us in understanding Christian wisdom better, for those who are capable of it.

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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2017, 10:26:06 AM »
If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism? . . .

Please share your opinions and musings about Buddhism.

No, I would not.

I am aware of God's Truth, revealed through His Son, Jesus Christ, and His Church.  I lack for nothing in my life.  There is no need to "explore" any other Faith.

Would I read about Buddhism?  Yes, if only to garner a perfunctory knowledge of what these people believe, and what it is that misleads them....so, that I could hold a decent conversation with someone if the topic comes up.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 11:28:36 AM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I've mentioned these before, but two books I would strongly recommend are In the Buddha's Words, a thematic selection of Theravada sutras by the monk Bhikkhu Bodhi, and The Way to Buddhahood by Yin Shun, a popular summa of Mahayana Buddhism (Chinese, in particular) roughly equivalent to a dogmatic theology in Christian parlance.
I would also add Shantideva's The Way of the Bodhisattva, in particular the 14th Dalai Lama's commentary on it.
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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 12:11:10 PM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I think its called 'Direct Experience' . . .
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 12:32:12 PM »
Learn about? Yes. Do anything more with? No.

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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2017, 12:33:47 PM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

Well, you could say the same thing about reading Homer, Plato, Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Of course it depends what is meant by "explore." Practicing, adhering, or somehow trying to syncretize it as something equal to Orthodox Christianity or having insights not attainable in Orthodoxy is unacceptable. But studying pagan wisdom can do a lot to help prepare us in understanding Christian wisdom better, for those who are capable of it.
I was interpreting the question as in "practice" it. I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with learning more about it, but I would never consider it as an option for adherence.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2017, 12:42:44 PM »
You never know until you try.
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2017, 12:44:52 PM »
You never know until you try.

Perhaps I'll sacrifice a child to Moloch as well, just to see what it's like.  You never know.

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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2017, 12:52:27 PM »
If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism? . . .

Please share your opinions and musings about Buddhism.

I'm not clear what you mean by 'explore.' Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (Gospel according to St. John 14:6). So based on what Our Lord said and spelled out very clearly, I just don't see any added value that Buddhism offers. So, as a Christian, the answer would be clearly 'no.'

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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2017, 01:24:55 PM »
You never know until you try.

...but, you are missing the point.  Why even try?

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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2017, 01:40:03 PM »
Read as history or anthropology, sure. "Explore" religiously? No. My Father and Saviour content me.
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2017, 03:11:16 PM »
Some Mormons are exploring Buddhism. (Now, whether Mormons are "Christian" is another issue, but I digress.):

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“It was my Buddhist meditation practice that helped deepen my understanding of Christianity and deepen my Christian faith,” he said.
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2017, 03:13:00 PM »
Some Mormons are exploring Buddhism. (Now, whether Mormons are "Christian" is another issue, but I digress.):

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Born into a blue-blooded LDS family with relatives that included high-level church leaders, McConkie left the faith as a teenager, spending his 20s traveling and working in Europe and Asia while studying Buddhism and developing a meditation practice. It took more than 15 years for him to make peace with his Mormon upbringing and to realize he wasn’t done with the faith.

“It was my Buddhist meditation practice that helped deepen my understanding of Christianity and deepen my Christian faith,” he said.

Yeah, that's kind of the opposite of a recommendation. Mormons who think Buddhism strengthened their "Christian faith." Uh huh.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2017, 04:48:27 PM »
You never know until you try.

...but, you are missing the point.  Why even try?

When you have everything....there's nothing more you need.

Because you have to really try and make the history milestone marker.
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2017, 05:00:27 PM »
Read as history or anthropology, sure. "Explore" religiously? No. My Father and Saviour content me.

If you're content then why is it a large expanse of air? ...
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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2017, 05:03:15 PM »
Read as history or anthropology, sure. "Explore" religiously? No. My Father and Saviour content me.

If you're content then why is it a large expanse of air? ...

Maybe you didn't mean by "explore" what I and maybe some others think you meant. To "explore Buddhism" sounds to me like investigate its religious value for oneself, and indeed I think that's what the term usually means.
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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2017, 05:18:23 PM »
Read as history or anthropology, sure. "Explore" religiously? No. My Father and Saviour content me.

If you're content then why is it a large expanse of air? ...

Maybe you didn't mean by "explore" what I and maybe some others think you meant. To "explore Buddhism" sounds to me like investigate its religious value for oneself, and indeed I think that's what the term usually means.

Probably means reading posts at "Dharmawheel" Mayahana and discussion forum for Theravada
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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2017, 05:22:50 PM »
You never know until you try.

...but, you are missing the point.  Why even try?

When you have everything....there's nothing more you need.

Because you have to really try and make the history milestone marker.

Nonsense.

People convince themselves of all manner of things...just to justify their own actions.
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2017, 05:25:01 PM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I've mentioned these before, but two books I would strongly recommend are In the Buddha's Words, a thematic selection of Theravada sutras by the monk Bhikkhu Bodhi, and The Way to Buddhahood by Yin Shun, a popular summa of Mahayana Buddhism (Chinese, in particular) roughly equivalent to a dogmatic theology in Christian parlance.

Might as well add '100 things Buddha never said' . . .
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2017, 05:27:14 PM »
Read as history or anthropology, sure. "Explore" religiously? No. My Father and Saviour content me.

If you're content then why is it a large expanse of air? ...

Maybe you didn't mean by "explore" what I and maybe some others think you meant. To "explore Buddhism" sounds to me like investigate its religious value for oneself, and indeed I think that's what the term usually means.

Probably means reading posts at "Dharmawheel" Mayahana and discussion forum for Theravada

Not really interested. Unless I had some specific research to perform.
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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2017, 05:27:35 PM »
Depends on how you mean "explore."

Would I read about it and be willing to learn more? Sure.

But would I practice it in any meaningful sense to try to figure it out? Not really.

Out of curiosity, I would actually like to learn more about Buddhism, but with my somewhat limited resources I can't seem to get past the bougie appropriated version that passes off as some kind of liberal vaguely-spiritual athiesm in the U.S.'s major metros. I know there is more (and much weirder aspects) to Buddhism; I just don't know where to look when my interest is piqued.

I've mentioned these before, but two books I would strongly recommend are In the Buddha's Words, a thematic selection of Theravada sutras by the monk Bhikkhu Bodhi, and The Way to Buddhahood by Yin Shun, a popular summa of Mahayana Buddhism (Chinese, in particular) roughly equivalent to a dogmatic theology in Christian parlance.

Might as well add '100 things Buddha never said' . . .

Now you're talking sense.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy

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Re: If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2017, 05:42:46 PM »
No, I won't explore Buddhism . I believe in ONE GOD, the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is son of God, both Divine and Human.
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 06:20:46 PM »
You never know until you try.

...but, you are missing the point.  Why even try?

When you have everything....there's nothing more you need.

Because you have to really try and make the history milestone marker.

Nonsense.

People convince themselves of all manner of things...just to justify their own actions.

I generally agree. ^
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2017, 06:21:58 PM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2017, 06:28:58 PM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

Well, you could say the same thing about reading Homer, Plato, Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Of course it depends what is meant by "explore." Practicing, adhering, or somehow trying to syncretize it as something equal to Orthodox Christianity or having insights not attainable in Orthodoxy is unacceptable. But studying pagan wisdom can do a lot to help prepare us in understanding Christian wisdom better, for those who are capable of it.

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2017, 06:56:18 PM »
No. It doesn't offer anything that I can't get a better version of from Orthodoxy.

Well, you could say the same thing about reading Homer, Plato, Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Of course it depends what is meant by "explore." Practicing, adhering, or somehow trying to syncretize it as something equal to Orthodox Christianity or having insights not attainable in Orthodoxy is unacceptable. But studying pagan wisdom can do a lot to help prepare us in understanding Christian wisdom better, for those who are capable of it.

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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2017, 08:19:01 PM »
I already did. I won't do it again.
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2017, 08:21:25 PM »
My Priest told me he likes Buddhism as a philosophy but not as a religion. I agree with him. The essence of Buddhist philosophy is two simple truths, both of which are quite compatible with the Gospel: 1) suffering is the unavoidable fate of all human beings, 2) the answer to suffering is to cultivate compassion for others.

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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2017, 09:39:19 AM »
The essence of Buddhist philosophy is two simple truths, both of which are quite compatible with the Gospel: 1) suffering is the unavoidable fate of all human beings, 2) the answer to suffering is to cultivate compassion for others.

To my knowledge, that is not the essence of Buddhist philosophy. If we're going to talk about truths of Buddhism, you should probably reference the Four Noble Truths, none of which state that cultivating compassion for others is the answer to suffering.
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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2017, 09:42:37 AM »
Compassion would be considered something embedded in the Eightfold Path.
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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2017, 09:48:28 AM »
Compassion would be considered something embedded in the Eightfold Path.

Agreed, but it still would not be one of "two simple truths" of Buddhism.
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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2017, 09:51:53 AM »
Compassion would be considered something embedded in the Eightfold Path.

Agreed, but it still would not be one of two truths of Buddhism.

There are a couple of ways Buddhism gets summed up. The Four Noble Truths, three seals, etc are ancient ways of doing this, but I don't think any Buddhist tradition would disagree that compassion is an essential principle- perhaps in some ways the essential principle.

Likewise we can say love is a fundamental principle of Christianity, even though it is not explicitly mentioned in the creed.
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« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2017, 10:00:20 AM »
No doubt that compassion is an important or essential principle for most traditions.  I just thought that boiling Buddhism down to those two principles seemed potentially influenced by Christian perspectives. Not as bad as the 19th century folks who viewed Hinduism as essentially trinitarian, but still. I'll soon be out of my depth on the topic though.

As for Christianity, there is definitive scriptural evidence that love is a fundamental principle. Perhaps an equivalent exists in Buddhism? Good point about it not being included in the Creed.
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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2017, 10:15:38 AM »
As for Christianity, there is definitive scriptural evidence that love is a fundamental principle. Perhaps an equivalent exists in Buddhism?
If by "love" you mean the Greek "agape" ("selfless commitment to the greatest good of another")  then corresponding Buddhist terms (in Pali) would be "metta" (selflessly cultivating the happiness or well-being of others) and "karuna" (selflessly removing the causes of suffering or unhappiness in others).

Metta and karuna are described in the Karaniya Metta Sutta.
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Yeah, metta is a very early and common principle in Buddhism. It seems to be pretty strongly emphasized in practice. As Jetavan pointed out, it is found in the most widely accepted Buddhist scriptures and would predate any contact with Christianity.
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Only in the sense that it would be fascinating to explore the fundamental philosophical basis not just of Buddhism but other religions as well. Especially in the area of metaphysics which can have profound implications to its adherents.

I enjoy studying comparative religion within Christianity (Calvinism vs Orthodox vs RC vs etc.) but not so much outside that. If I ever get around to looking more closely at Buddhism, or Islam or Hinduism or etc. I'd be more interesting in contrasting them with Orthodoxy and drawing sharp differences between both. It would also help in identifying sometimes when faithful Orthodox stray a bit too much into other religious ideals. However the issues Orthodox have is more remnants of stoicism, cynicism (in the classical sense) and neoplatonism. 
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« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2017, 12:07:42 PM »
If you're a Christian would you explore Buddhism? . . .

Please share your opinions and musings about Buddhism.

Klaus Kenneth, I know and regularly meet him personally, wrote a book about his experiences with different religions: "Born to hate reborn to love". He was for three years a buddhist monk in the monastery of Ajahn Chah, a famous buddhist master in Thailand. Before (or after?) he was a yogi in India for seven years, and so on...
Klaus says that love, vision of light, .. and so on  in such far eastern traditions can be described very similiar to christian orthodox tradition. But when you experience true love/light in the orthodox church, you cannot longer compare it with the love, you had as a buddhist. Our language skills are unfortunately insufficient to describe feelings/experiences enough differentiating.
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« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2017, 12:25:24 PM »
::) People in every religion worth anything would say that. Other things members of every other religion would say:

"You can't truly understand my religion until you experience it from the inside."

"Most people who reject my religion are not actually rejecting it for what it is, but rather are rejecting some caricature of it."

"No religion makes sense of the world as well as mine does. My religion is the most coherent understanding."

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« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2017, 12:31:54 PM »
"You can't truly understand my religion until you experience it from the inside."

Why is that a problem?

I agree with your other quotes as being eye-roll worthy, but I'm not sure about this one.
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« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2017, 01:36:57 PM »
I already did. It's a religion of nihilism, at it's core. Which, I cannot accept. I'd just become an Agnostic if I wasn't Orthodox.

I find Buddhist philosophical ideas useful in understanding the human condition. Buddha was keen on that. Dukkha, human dissatisfaction, is  at the heart of why human beings suffer. There's no doubt about that, in my mind.

But the religion itself is nihilistic. It's an endless samsara, that only a select few Bodhisattva can escape and attain nibana.
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« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2017, 01:37:01 PM »
"You can't truly understand my religion until you experience it from the inside."

Why is that a problem?

I agree with your other quotes as being eye-roll worthy, but I'm not sure about this one.

They're not there to be eye rolled. His post is intended to attack Christianity.
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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2017, 01:38:52 PM »
"You can't truly understand my religion until you experience it from the inside."

Why is that a problem?

I agree with your other quotes as being eye-roll worthy, but I'm not sure about this one.

They're not there to be eye rolled. His post is intended to attack Christianity.

Only if you identify Christianity with bad apologetics common to other religions.
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« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2017, 02:09:02 PM »
As for Christianity, there is definitive scriptural evidence that love is a fundamental principle. Perhaps an equivalent exists in Buddhism?
If by "love" you mean the Greek "agape" ("selfless commitment to the greatest good of another")  then corresponding Buddhist terms (in Pali) would be "metta" (selflessly cultivating the happiness or well-being of others) and "karuna" (selflessly removing the causes of suffering or unhappiness in others).

Metta and karuna are described in the Karaniya Metta Sutta.

Yeah, metta is a very early and common principle in Buddhism. It seems to be pretty strongly emphasized in practice. As Jetavan pointed out, it is found in the most widely accepted Buddhist scriptures and would predate any contact with Christianity.

I'll stand down. And read those recommended books at some point, inshallah. Thanks for the responses. One of the two simple truths of Buddhism it is!
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