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Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« on: September 26, 2017, 12:05:42 PM »
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In Greece, a country of almost eleven million people, 98% of which are Orthodox Christians, there is a re-Hellenization movement with growing momentum. Within Greece, and outside her borders across the diaspora Greeks are returning to their ethnic ancestral traditions. Why are Greeks doing this? The modern Greek identity is tied tightly with Orthodoxy, the dominant faith of Greeks. For those with the curiosity and mind to question the status quo, have come to a striking truth. Orthodoxy is irreconcilable with Hellenism.


Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/agora/2017/08/hearth-of-hellenism/#Orh0rbFSsGGv8HJs.99
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 02:05:38 PM »
Seems like a naïve nationalism in a new garb. At any rate, the early Christians were top contenders in what it meant to be Roman or Greek.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 03:32:15 PM »
Saying Greekness is irreconcilable with Orthodoxy means saying Greece was dead once it was practically fully Christianised. Therefore, trying to be Greek would equal trying to be a zombie. A dead tradition cannot, by definition, be revived, because the hand to hand passing of costumes which characterises traditions has been broken.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 12:45:07 AM »
A dead tradition cannot, by definition, be revived, because the hand to hand passing of costumes which characterises traditions has been broken.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 04:52:28 AM »
it can be ignored, it is essentially a bunch of larpers

there are similar people appearing in britain, scandinavia

they are essentially atheists. A new "Cult of Reason" but this time, it is pretending to be a long lost religion, only revived because of cultural identity and to reject christianity and its cultural values.


The article is also wrong, because homer was not replaced by Jesus Christ. In education, homer was still read, the pre-christian philosophers still taught. It is a made up accusation.


In the early days of Greek revolutionary thought, some believed that the new free greece should look to Byzantium as their cultural model. But later, other thinkers thought more and more rather to ancient greece, which is only natural as it had aspects of democracy in some aspects, and it appeals to a secularist and those western-minded, where byzantium does not. (at least in the 19th century)

Of course today, most in Greece rather look to ancient greece than byzantium as the historical they identify their country with, even though it was not christian
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 05:16:17 AM »
it can be ignored, it is essentially a bunch of larpers

there are similar people appearing in britain, scandinavia

they are essentially atheists. A new "Cult of Reason" but this time, it is pretending to be a long lost religion, only revived because of cultural identity and to reject christianity and its cultural values.


The article is also wrong, because homer was not replaced by Jesus Christ. In education, homer was still read, the pre-christian philosophers still taught. It is a made up accusation.


In the early days of Greek revolutionary thought, some believed that the new free greece should look to Byzantium as their cultural model. But later, other thinkers thought more and more rather to ancient greece, which is only natural as it had aspects of democracy in some aspects, and it appeals to a secularist and those western-minded, where byzantium does not. (at least in the 19th century)

Of course today, most in Greece rather look to ancient greece than byzantium as the historical they identify their country with, even though it was not christian

+1. So-called pagan revivals in Christian countries are just Christian ethics with Christ erased: liberals larping.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 05:21:45 AM »
it can be ignored, it is essentially a bunch of larpers

there are similar people appearing in britain, scandinavia

they are essentially atheists. A new "Cult of Reason" but this time, it is pretending to be a long lost religion, only revived because of cultural identity and to reject christianity and its cultural values.


The article is also wrong, because homer was not replaced by Jesus Christ. In education, homer was still read, the pre-christian philosophers still taught. It is a made up accusation.


In the early days of Greek revolutionary thought, some believed that the new free greece should look to Byzantium as their cultural model. But later, other thinkers thought more and more rather to ancient greece, which is only natural as it had aspects of democracy in some aspects, and it appeals to a secularist and those western-minded, where byzantium does not. (at least in the 19th century)

Of course today, most in Greece rather look to ancient greece than byzantium as the historical they identify their country with, even though it was not christian

+1. So-called pagan revivals in Christian countries are just Christian ethics with Christ erased: liberals larping.

How is that liberal when some of them are just as socially conservative as the Church? Ever read The Abolition of Man?
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 05:28:44 AM »
Good point. I was thinking of New Agers, who don't respect the Asian religions they ape and throw into a blender. The Germanic/Norse revival tries to appeal to something primal (me: God-given), the natural order. But for now I'll say Western pagan revivals shy away from the more objectionable stuff in real paganisms (up to and including human sacrifice to appease gods real pagans actually believe in/fear); it's clearly just apostate Christianity or angry atheism (such as Satanists who say they don't really believe in Satan; they're just mocking Christianity).
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 05:40:53 AM »
Ah, ok. Makes sense.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 09:03:48 AM »
The article is also wrong, because homer was not replaced by Jesus Christ. In education, homer was still read, the pre-christian philosophers still taught. It is a made up accusation.
Only an illiterate buffoon would put Homer's influence and role in the Hellenic culture as equivalent of Jesus in a Christian culture.  And, indeed, Homer's works had been copied by Christians for centuries, or else they would have rotten away with the paper or whatever they were written on.  Christianity didn't suppress culture, but preserved it, even from itself.
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Re: Hearth of Hellenism: Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 09:04:19 AM »
So-called pagan revivals in Christian countries are just Christian ethics with Christ erased: liberals larping.
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