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Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« on: July 07, 2017, 01:19:17 PM »
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Ancient Faith Radio (AFR) is currently in the process of removing its content from Sr. Vassa (Larin), the popular but controversial monastic podcaster known especially for her show “Coffee with Sr. Vassa.” As attested to by another AFR contributor Fr. Thomas Soroka, this move was prompted by Sr. Vassa’s publication and distribution of an email in response to a request for “insight” from the mother of a 14-year-old boy who recently told his parents he was a homosexual, in which the riassaphore nun admittedly contradicts Church teaching.

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 01:23:48 PM »
I read the email in question when it was still available (maybe it's still up somewhere, but I can't find it). One can question the specific advice she offers, or the wisdom of making it public, but broadly speaking it wasn't true that she contradicted Church teaching. As I recall, she says right away that homosex is sinful, yadda yadda. 

Anyway, I can't say I'm a fan of her show but getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book. 
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 01:25:00 PM »
AFR is doing it job as a Orthodox site,  I'd like to see this nun be given the chance to repent,  it is unOrthodox to hold contray opinions that different from the Church, the Orthodox Church doesn't condone Homosexual relationships, or hooking up.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 01:27:44 PM »
From here:

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I asked AFR directly (which I wonder if this writer bothered to do), and they told me directly that Sister Vassa's podcast (which hadn't been added to in well over a year) was removed from the AFR site back in the spring, along with several other defunct podcasts. This is something AFR does every so often.

What that means is that that removal couldn't have been a response to recent excitement surrounding one of her posts.

Of course, what this also tells you is that the folks who believe that AFR removed her podcasts as a response to anything recent only actually checked to see if the content was there just recently. So it clearly wasn't a big matter of attention until just now.

Several of her conference lectures are still available on the AFR site, which also suggests that there was no reactionary "scrubbing" happening.

So, no, AFR did *not* "[remove] St. Vassa content following her controversial advice."

And they also did not remove her blog, because Sister Vassa never had a blog with Ancient Faith Blogs to begin with. How do I know? I'm basically the co-founder of AFB and still serve on its review board.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 01:28:35 PM »
Although I no longer have a dog in this faith I have to say that yes ishe does contradict  time honored baptist teaching.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 01:29:48 PM »
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Sr. Vassa’s controversial answer which has prompted AFR to remove her content from its site begins, "I can’t reply to your question officially, but will reply to it personally. Because my personal opinion is not line with some official pronouncements of my Church."  ... As the homosexual inclination is most often not a conscious choice, but is formed in children from 3-4 years old, according to scientific studies, Sr. Vassa writes that there is therefore less culpability for homosexual sins than for many other sins ..."

Just horrifying. So here we have a young boy, a child, who's been confused by this demonic world around him, and she uses a plea from his parents -- his parents! -- as an opportunity to show off how hip-ly sophistical she can be.

Edited to bold part of the quote and add:  As tho heterosexual fornication is not inborn.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 01:32:59 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article. 
How this relates to the coming Antichrist? I don't know...

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 01:36:11 PM »
Who is her monastic superior?
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 01:37:39 PM »
I have credible, pious witnesses that she's discreetly seeing Jewish doctors too. A propos the the Chrysostom quote.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2017, 01:39:26 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2017, 01:39:51 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


well except that she wasn't taken off....but why let facts get in the way
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 01:41:14 PM »
I have credible, pious witnesses that she's discreetly seeing Jewish doctors too. A propos the the Chrysostom quote.

Maybe instead of attempting to make the Church's efforts to shepherd seem less than valuable, you should work up an argument for the value homosexuality brings humankind. Seize the positive.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 01:42:15 PM »
Who is her monastic superior?
Good question.  I have read others criticize her, but I have not seen a response from ROCOR.

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 01:42:37 PM »
Who is her monastic superior?
write a letter Porter.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2017, 01:44:21 PM »
Whether the individual is "gay" or "not gay" or straight,homosexual,asexual, or even metrosexual.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2017, 02:20:50 PM »
Although I no longer have a dog in this faith I have to say that yes ishe does contradict  time honored baptist teaching.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2017, 02:21:25 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?

There's nothing "wrong" with AFR.  Some people feel it is too Protestant in its approach, but, I have no issues with it.

It spreads Orthodoxy to all corners of the world.  You can listen to podcasts, or just hymns, etc. ...via cellphone, PC, etc. 

I often tune in at work...just leave the music on softly in the background.

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2017, 02:21:54 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?

For your purposes, it's probably just fine.  Just be vigilant about what you consume. 
How this relates to the coming Antichrist? I don't know...

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2017, 02:23:23 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

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Many like to compare it to a non-existent pure Orthodox radio station, to find AFR wanting.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2017, 02:25:00 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


well except that she wasn't taken off....but why let facts get in the way

I was working off the original article.  The defence of AFR contained in the link supplied by Agabus, in which someone speaks on behalf of AFR but is not speaking on behalf of AFR, doesn't really change what I was getting at. 
How this relates to the coming Antichrist? I don't know...

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2017, 02:27:33 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?

For your purposes, it's probably just fine.  Just be vigilant about what you consume.
Fr. George Morelli is my homeboy. ;)

And yes, I listen to AFR about 8 hours each day, started 2 weeks ago. It's been a lifeline and I'm thankful I can listen to archive podcasts for free.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2017, 02:41:35 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?

For your purposes, it's probably just fine.  Just be vigilant about what you consume.
Fr. George Morelli is my homeboy. ;)

And yes, I listen to AFR about 8 hours each day, started 2 weeks ago. It's been a lifeline and I'm thankful I can listen to archive podcasts for free.

I'm glad it's helpful.  I haven't heard Fr Morelli, usually I default to Fr Hopko or some recorded stuff from SVS I couldn't attend. 
How this relates to the coming Antichrist? I don't know...

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2017, 02:52:37 PM »
...getting kicked off of AFR earns her points in my book.

That was one of my takeaways from the article.


????????????????

Okay.  Confusion.

Are you guys saying in some manner that there is something wrong with AFR?  Because I listen to it, like, a lot.

Comments?
Many like to compare it to a non-existent pure Orthodox radio station, to find AFR wanting.

The Assembly of Bishops in the USA (EO) does have an alternative, the Orthodox Christian Network, including radio stations like The Rudder (music) and The Anchor (talk).

Edited to add link:  http://myocn.net/
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2017, 02:53:58 PM »
Sister Vassa moved her podcast to her own site a while ago, and there are still over 70 episodes on her YT channel. There's plenty others to listen to on AFR.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2017, 03:17:05 PM »
Seeing this made me want to read the original email.  The most controversial part of that is the idea that he can "date", but it was not an explicit approval of dating per se, but to bring stability into their child's life to avoid risky behavior behind closed doors.  Other than that, she made it quite clear homosexual acts is still sin.

I'll be honest, in my teen years, the idea of bringing someone I was dating home to meet my parents is out of the question, as the idea of "dating" at that age should not even occur in the culture of my household.  So I am unable to relate to this advice given.
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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2017, 03:29:05 PM »
Seeing this made me want to read the original email.  The most controversial part of that is the idea that he can "date", but it was not an explicit approval of dating per se, but to bring stability into their child's life to avoid risky behavior behind closed doors.  Other than that, she made it quite clear homosexual acts is still sin.

I'll be honest, in my teen years, the idea of bringing someone I was dating home to meet my parents is out of the question, as the idea of "dating" at that age should not even occur in the culture of my household.  So I am unable to relate to this advice given.

I've only seen the original alluded to, but  is the controversial part that she told the parents that they shouldn't make their son feel like he had to hide things from them?
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2017, 03:31:06 PM »
Seeing this made me want to read the original email.  The most controversial part of that is the idea that he can "date", but it was not an explicit approval of dating per se, but to bring stability into their child's life to avoid risky behavior behind closed doors.  Other than that, she made it quite clear homosexual acts is still sin.

I'll be honest, in my teen years, the idea of bringing someone I was dating home to meet my parents is out of the question, as the idea of "dating" at that age should not even occur in the culture of my household.  So I am unable to relate to this advice given.

Calling something a sin, but then saying it is inevitable and offering not tangible salvation from it, is completely pointless. It's an artifact of cognitive dissonance at best.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2017, 03:41:11 PM »
Seeing this made me want to read the original email.  The most controversial part of that is the idea that he can "date", but it was not an explicit approval of dating per se, but to bring stability into their child's life to avoid risky behavior behind closed doors.  Other than that, she made it quite clear homosexual acts is still sin.

I'll be honest, in my teen years, the idea of bringing someone I was dating home to meet my parents is out of the question, as the idea of "dating" at that age should not even occur in the culture of my household.  So I am unable to relate to this advice given.

I've only seen the original alluded to, but  is the controversial part that she told the parents that they shouldn't make their son feel like he had to hide things from them?

No, not necessarily.  It's not the hiding things from them that's the problem.  I think it is the wording, which is to say "let him date", not because you are allowing him to do so, but he will "date" anyway.

So I don't know.  I see your point, but perhaps the wording could have been different in that regard, rather than "let him".  It could have been said, "you may not approve of his dating, but encourage him not to hide his actions", that you still love him regardless of disagreements, and that you can then bring that stability of love into whatever he is doing so that he does not get into risky behavior.

Again, this culture of telling your teen to bring whoever you're dating to them in the "daylight" is beyond my comprehension.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2017, 03:55:36 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2017, 04:38:16 PM »
I agreed with some of what she said and disagreed with some of what she said. I didn't find anything too horrible about what she said. I did find it odd that she made her answer public. It seems like some discretion in who received that counsel would have been wiser. I respect that she hasn't fed the gossip mill like so many do. She simply took it down and made no comment. I wish more people would respond to internet drama like that.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2017, 04:40:22 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Saying "Let him date, he was born that way so it's less of a sin, and he needs to work it out" -- how does this bring comfort to his parents? It brings self-satisfaction to those with a progressive worldview, but the parents must be more devastated than before. To see a dear child struggling in this evil world and being told he must just succumb and submit to it -- like quicksand -- his fate from birth -- gosh, it's too horrifying.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2017, 04:41:29 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2017, 04:43:45 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2017, 04:46:18 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2017, 04:52:56 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2017, 04:57:51 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.

Are you sure you're willing to commit to that principle? Every encyclical, pastoral letter, or otherwise official statement issuing from your diocese being unquestionable gospel, until they issue "something better"? And how do you determine something to be "better"?
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2017, 05:09:53 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.

Are you sure you're willing to commit to that principle? Every encyclical, pastoral letter, or otherwise official statement issuing from your diocese being unquestionable gospel, until they issue "something better"? And how do you determine something to be "better"?

I don't determine something to be "better," the Church does.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2017, 05:42:43 PM »
So "better" is just whatever a bishop has said most recently?
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2017, 05:46:56 PM »
So "better" is just whatever a bishop has said most recently?

Depends on jurisdiction.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2017, 06:08:06 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.

Are you sure you're willing to commit to that principle? Every encyclical, pastoral letter, or otherwise official statement issuing from your diocese being unquestionable gospel, until they issue "something better"? And how do you determine something to be "better"?

I don't determine something to be "better," the Church does.
So "better" is just whatever a bishop has said most recently?

So that's all that could make up the Church in your mind? It's you against the bishop? How sad.
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2017, 06:10:46 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Saying "Let him date, he was born that way so it's less of a sin, and he needs to work it out" -- how does this bring comfort to his parents? It brings self-satisfaction to those with a progressive worldview, but the parents must be more devastated than before. To see a dear child struggling in this evil world and being told he must just succumb and submit to it -- like quicksand -- his fate from birth -- gosh, it's too horrifying.

+1

The idea that the Church's stance on homosexuality is something rooted in another time and place - like the Jewish doctor thing - that can be adjusted via application of oikonomia, or even chucked entirely - is a very disturbing one.  It seems like some elements within the Church want to move beyond being compassionate to a sinner struggling with homosexual desires to a place where the Church can actually endorse homosexual relationships.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2017, 06:15:31 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.

Are you sure you're willing to commit to that principle? Every encyclical, pastoral letter, or otherwise official statement issuing from your diocese being unquestionable gospel, until they issue "something better"? And how do you determine something to be "better"?

I don't determine something to be "better," the Church does.
So "better" is just whatever a bishop has said most recently?

So that's all that could make up the Church in your mind? It's you against the bishop? How sad.

On the contrary, the Church goes far beyond what I or my bishop think at a given moment. That's my point.
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2017, 06:17:22 PM »
Sister Vassa moved her podcast to her own site a while ago, and there are still over 70 episodes on her YT channel. There's plenty others to listen to on AFR.

Not just to her own site - her Patreon. For $5/month you can apparently access two of her weekly podcasts, with higher $/month options available. Seems a little strange for a nun to block her content off behind a paywall in order to get monthly donations.

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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2017, 06:17:39 PM »
I did not see anywhere that she endorsed homosexuality. She responded to a mother who was struggling to figure out how she should respond to her son's announcement. I suspect different advice would have been given if the son himself had written to her. The mother needed on advice on how to respond, not get a lecture on how homosexuality is a sin. She already knew that or she wouldn't be asking Sister Vassa for advice.
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Re: Coffee with (Removed - Ancient Faith Radio)
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2017, 06:19:12 PM »
It may very well be bad and incoherent advice, but giving bad, incoherent advice is not tantamount to heresy. I'm not sure why she published it though- even assuming it was applicable in the specific situation, it doesn't strike me as something to make a general principle of.

She herself describes it as in conflict with the Church.

Not quite.

"Not in line with" doesn't mean "in conflict with" in your mind?

"(S)ome official pronouncements of my Church" doesn't mean "the Church" in my mind or that of any historically minded Christian.

Official statements of the episcopate work as the Church in most Christians' minds until something better comes along.

Are you sure you're willing to commit to that principle? Every encyclical, pastoral letter, or otherwise official statement issuing from your diocese being unquestionable gospel, until they issue "something better"? And how do you determine something to be "better"?

I don't determine something to be "better," the Church does.
So "better" is just whatever a bishop has said most recently?

So that's all that could make up the Church in your mind? It's you against the bishop? How sad.

On the contrary, the Church goes far beyond what I or my bishop think at a given moment. That's my point.

And the Church's official statements are her interpretation of that "far beyond" at a given time.

I'm not sure what you think the point of Sr. Vassa's disclaimer was -- is your argument that she claimed to be out of sync with her church in order to add fictional dramatic flair to the letter?
"Love ... is an abyss of illumination, a mountain of fire ... . It is the condition of angels, the progress of eternity" (Climacus).

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Yes we who are far from sainthood we can recognize a living saint and I'm talking from personal experience.Yes they are gentle soo gentle it can not be described it is like gentleness and humility in one and also they have this light this energy it's beyond words...and when you are near them you feel ecstatic and very happy