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Your favorite Church fathers
« on: June 16, 2017, 03:55:20 PM »
Who is/are your favorite fathers? And which fathers are the greatest according to you? From those I have read and read about, my favorites so far are Gregory of Nyssa(He is exceptionally sophisticated with a mystical sense), Origen, Isaac the Syrian and Maximos the Confessor. Though I would also have to admit the greatness of Augustine's philosophical and psychological depth  (But I despise some of his later conclusions of things). So what are your favorites?
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2017, 04:01:42 PM »
I love St. Augustine, maybe because he was by far the one I read the most.
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2017, 04:03:34 PM »
St. John, the Evangelist and Theologian, and St. Polycarp. And St. Papias. The Cappadocians but particularly he of Nyssa. These are the Saint Teachers I love most. But we have such an over-abounding wealth of beloved and God-filled Fathers that we are blessed more than anyone could list.
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2017, 04:18:32 PM »
St. Gregory the Theologian
St. Maximus the Confessor

And I won't say Origen since this is asking about "Church fathers," so... I'm not sure after that. Maybe St. Lucian of Antioch or St. Isaac the Syrian.

I'd like to pick someone more recent, but no one comes to mind as a 'favorite' who'd merit "Church Father" status.

Oh, also, I follow Apollos, Cephas and Paul.

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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2017, 04:47:42 PM »
Augustine because he's so popular around here right now.
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2017, 05:16:26 PM »
St. Gregory the Theologian
St. Maximus the Confessor

And I won't say Origen since this is asking about "Church fathers," so... I'm not sure after that. Maybe St. Lucian of Antioch or St. Isaac the Syrian.

I'd like to pick someone more recent, but no one comes to mind as a 'favorite' who'd merit "Church Father" status.

Oh, also, I follow Apollos, Cephas and Paul.
I know Origen isnt considered a saint, but I thought he was actually considered a church father?
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2017, 05:36:35 PM »
I'm probably most familiar with Sts: Ignatius, Polycarp, Ireaneus, Justin the Martyr, Ambrose, Athanasius, Basil, Justinian, and Chrysostom.  Those were the ones that were most read during my formative years, have been with me longest, and have stayed with me all this time.  Kind of a random collection, but those were all read to some degree or another before college, and some before high school even.  I'm not too sure about the word "favorite", that's an odd term, but those are the ones that I grew up with.  Of those Ignatius, Athanasius, and maybe Basil have been with me the longest.  Were I to suggest one writing by one Father at random it would probably be Athanasius'  "On The Incarnation".
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2017, 05:50:24 PM »
I know Origen isnt considered a saint, but I thought he was actually considered a church father?

I have no idea what Catholics and some Protestants would consider him; they have different criteria for being a Church Father than the Orthodox. However, while the context, validity, and specifics of the condemnations of Origen/Origenism in the 4th-6th centuries continue to be debated, and while I think most acknowledge that he was capable of brilliance, I doubt many EO would call him a Father. For my part I wouldn't consider all saints to be Fathers/Mothers of the Church, but I would consider an official recognition of being a saint to be one of the prerequisites for being a 'Father.'
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 05:55:02 PM »
I know Origen isnt considered a saint, but I thought he was actually considered a church father?

I have no idea what Catholics and some Protestants would consider him; they have different criteria for being a Church Father than the Orthodox. However, while the context, validity, and specifics of the condemnations of Origen/Origenism in the 4th-6th centuries continue to be debated, and while I think most acknowledge that he was capable of brilliance, I doubt many EO would call him a Father. For my part I wouldn't consider all saints to be Fathers/Mothers of the Church, but I would consider an official recognition of saintliness to be one of the prerequisites for being a 'Father.'

Catholics consider Origen, Tertullien, and Clement of Alexandria among others to be Fathers.  They may have a distinction between Father and Saint, I'm not too sure on that.  In EO they are generally not considered fathers or saints...but it is impossible to do any serious historical study, Biblical exegesis, or have an appreciation of the Fathers without any of these men, especially Origen.

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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 05:57:16 PM »
I know Origen isnt considered a saint, but I thought he was actually considered a church father?

I have no idea what Catholics and some Protestants would consider him; they have different criteria for being a Church Father than the Orthodox. However, while the context, validity, and specifics of the condemnations of Origen/Origenism in the 4th-6th centuries continue to be debated, and while I think most acknowledge that he was capable of brilliance, I doubt many EO would call him a Father. For my part I wouldn't consider all saints to be Fathers/Mothers of the Church, but I would consider an official recognition of saintliness to be one of the prerequisites for being a 'Father.'

Catholics consider Origen, Tertullien, and Clement of Alexandria among others to be Fathers.  They may have a distinction between Father and Saint, I'm not too sure on that.  In EO they are generally not considered fathers or saints...but it is impossible to do any serious historical study, Biblical exegesis, or have an appreciation of the Fathers without any of these men, especially Origen.

Is he a Doctor of the church?

As far as Orthodoxy is concerned, he's obviously a father of our Church and its teaching, but as an anathematized teacher, he isn't a Father. A father of Fathers.
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2017, 06:55:42 AM »
Saint John Damascene, in short words becaufe of: being an Arab (and Greeks didn't like him during his lifetime), icons (including the fact his miracled is connected with the most venerated icon by Serbs: Trojeručica), against Islam, great hymns (and my favourite one, the Paschal Canon).

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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2017, 09:58:03 AM »
Origen,Damascene,Tertullian,Chrysologus,Fulgence, etc.
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Re: Your favorite Church fathers
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2017, 11:22:44 AM »
Saint John Damascene, in short words becaufe of: being an Arab (and Greeks didn't like him during his lifetime)...

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...icons (including the fact his miracled is connected with the most venerated icon by Serbs: Trojeručica)...

Incidentally, this is one of my favourite icons.  Before I knew anything about the history behind it, I got a kick out of it because I associate "holy people with more than two hands" with Hinduism. 

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...against Islam, great hymns (and my favourite one, the Paschal Canon).

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